About 20th anniversary plans

[Hyeon Lee <de...@kaist.ac.kr>]

Hi,

Is there any webpage about the volunteering and participating on the 20th anniversary? I was off from the dev mailing list for a while and I would be happy if there is any plans in written form, so that I could have a look. (or about 4.1.8 too!)

Thanks. 

Regards,
Hyeon



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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Peter,

Am 07.09.20 um 01:47 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> I am +1, if not Matthias is the one who does everything.

Over the last years I've created templates for most of our graphics, so
there is no technical reason that prevents doing another one.

BUT:

 - Some weeks ago, I proposed a graphic for the About dialog and got
minimal feedback.

 - Now Pedro likes to add the Intro graphic.

 - Maybe next week someone wants to add the StartCenter (which I am
totally against)

So, basically we must first come to a conclusion and then start to work...

>
> It should be a community thing. We got some pictures from the french
> List.
>
> If i.e. Pedro can create a patch to add them in, I think it is great.

While I like the graphic from the French list I don't see it in the
context of AOO dialogs.

Have we ever got a reply or a vector based version?

>
> I am kind of negative if in the End Matthias has to do it all alone.
>
> We have to get more people get involved in such stuff.

There were always only a handful (literally) of people doing all the
work for a release.

It would be great if that situation could be improved.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>
> I hope I could make myself clear on the constraints I see ;)
>
>
> All the Best
>
> Peter
>
> Am 07.09.20 um 00:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Pedro,
>>
>> Am 07.09.20 um 00:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Hi Matthias
>>>
>>>> On 09/06/2020 5:44 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really
>>>> think it
>>>> is not needed.
>>>>
>>>> If others want one, this should be discussed.
>>>   Then let's discuss :)
>>> I think that for a matter of consistency both screens should be kept
>>> similar. Is it not what is done for a Test build or a Developer build?
>> I do it for my personal Test Builds and we did it for Dev Builds. But
>> there is no rule for it.
>>
>> AOO 4.1.8 being a "normal" build (just happening around the 20th
>> anniversary) only needs a modified About graphic (IMO).
>>
>> But I will step back, since I would be the one to do the work (as I
>> already did) and wait what others think of it.
>>
>>>>>> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
>>>>>> Request? ;-)
>>>>> I would say main/default_images/introabout?
>>>> Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.
>>> But only for branch 4.1.8 which will not be further developed?
>> Of course we can restore the old graphic in branch 419 when it is
>> branched off 418.
>>
>> But I will not decide that, since it is easier for me to specify it in
>> configure.
>>
>>> I assume this does not affect the other branches. If it does, then
>>> it should be somewhere else
>>>  
>>>> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
>>> Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and
>>> it's less than a month for release...
>> Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls
>>
>> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
>> "ready"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Pedro
>>>
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RE: About 20th anniversary plans

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:petko@apache.org] 
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 1:48 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: About 20th anniversary plans
> 
> I am +1, if not Matthias is the one who does everything.

This is not an argument. When technical issues are discussed, ONLY technical arguments should count.

> It should be a community thing. We got some pictures from the 
> french List.
> 
> If i.e. Pedro can create a patch to add them in, I think it is great.
> 
> I am kind of negative if in the End Matthias has to do it all alone.
> 
> We have to get more people get involved in such stuff.

Whose fault is it that people vote with their feet?



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Jörg


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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Keith

> On 09/08/2020 3:34 AM Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
  
> On 9/7/2020 5:52 AM, Pedro Lino wrote:

> > This raises another question: in some versions of the AOO logos there is a TM and in others a R. Which is correct?
> > 
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg

> ® is the preferred as OpenOffice is now a registered TM in the United States

Thank you for the clarification. I had already researched and found the following article (in case someone else is curious)
https://www.upcounsel.com/trademark-vs-registered

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

["Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>]

On 9/7/2020 5:52 AM, Pedro Lino wrote:
> Hi Jörg
> 
>> On 09/07/2020 9:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> 
>> I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) with a color that would be more recognizable.
>>
>> I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say if this would be the best choice.
>> Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?
> 
> I agree. Maybe some colour from the Apache feather
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Apache_Feather_Logo.svg
>  
>> Unfortunately it is not so easy to create an example directly because "20 years" contains antialiasing.
> 
> Yes, this requires that the original author does that (or shares a vector version of the original)
> 
> This raises another question: in some versions of the AOO logos there is a TM and in others a R. Which is correct?
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
Pedro

® is the preferred as OpenOffice is now a registered TM in the United States

Regards
Keith

RE: About 20th anniversary plans

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello Pedro,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 11:53 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: About 20th anniversary plans
> 
> Hi Jörg
> 
> > On 09/07/2020 9:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> 
> > I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) 
> with a color that would be more recognizable.
> > 
> > I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say 
> if this would be the best choice.
> > Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?
> 
> I agree. Maybe some colour from the Apache feather
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Apache_Fea
> ther_Logo.svg

Yes. 

Basically, all colors of the feather are suitable, my personal taste would be the 'upper' colors from about #F69923 to #D43831.



greetings,
Jörg


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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bidouille [mailto:oooforum@free.fr] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:48 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> > If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
> > http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png
> 
> For me, if a sentence must be used, it should be translated 
> for localized version.
> So, I think a logotype is better.

first of all: I don't know if my suggestion is better, in any case I did _not_ say so.

But I find your reasoning unlogical, because: why should it be a question of _a sentence_?
Either it's a question of a general translation, in which case the logo should only contain a "20" (and not "20 years"), or it's not a question of translation.

(Yes, I am of the opinion that "20" alone is _not_ to be misunderstood.)


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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarrwrk@iol.ie] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 2:31 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]

> > Maybe the spelling would be too:
> > 
> > "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> 
> In terms of better English grammar and punctuation, it should be
> 
> Open, for all, for 20 years.

Absolutely correct, only less advertising psychologically.

Not without reason I had pointed out the missing point (in: "Since 20 years") and I hope that you believe me that I know that the grammar was formally wrong.



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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:56:56 +0200
Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:

> Hello Czesław, *,
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolanski@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 1:11 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> > About 20th anniversary plans]
> > 
> > Hi Jörg, all
> > 
> > > If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
> > >
> > > http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png
> > 
> > Just a little variation on the theme "Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8"
> > based upon your suggestion (and minor/cosmetic alteration on my part).
> > 
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UPed2jyIhHEp9ST49q0uNgqFDWJsN
> > L1s/view?usp=sharing
> 
> In my opinion, the proposal with the text to the right of the existing logo looks similarly unfavorable as the original proposal (i mean: https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png)
> 
> > BTW:
> > What font is used for: "Open for all / since 20 years"?
> 
> Arial italic
> 
> 
> 
> I still don't feel my own proposal is optimal, although I had already varied a lot.
> It is important to find an optimum between content and design of the text and the use of elements of the actual logo.
> 
> e.g. I first tried to write "Open" and "20 years" in blue and "for all since" in dark grey, but that seemed to distort the content.
> 
> Maybe the spelling would be too:
> 
> "Open. For all. Since 20 years"

In terms of better English grammar and punctuation, it should be

Open, for all, for 20 years.

or better yet

Open for all, for 20 years.


Rory



> (at the end, without dot)
> 
> feasible, because in the de-OOo-Community we (i think it was Eric H.) once invented a very public slogan :
> 
> "Open. For Business"
> (at the end, without dot)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello Czesław, *,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolanski@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 1:11 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> Hi Jörg, all
> 
> > If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
> >
> > http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png
> 
> Just a little variation on the theme "Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8"
> based upon your suggestion (and minor/cosmetic alteration on my part).
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UPed2jyIhHEp9ST49q0uNgqFDWJsN
> L1s/view?usp=sharing

In my opinion, the proposal with the text to the right of the existing logo looks similarly unfavorable as the original proposal (i mean: https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png)

> BTW:
> What font is used for: "Open for all / since 20 years"?

Arial italic



I still don't feel my own proposal is optimal, although I had already varied a lot.
It is important to find an optimum between content and design of the text and the use of elements of the actual logo.

e.g. I first tried to write "Open" and "20 years" in blue and "for all since" in dark grey, but that seemed to distort the content.

Maybe the spelling would be too:

"Open. For all. Since 20 years"
(at the end, without dot)

feasible, because in the de-OOo-Community we (i think it was Eric H.) once invented a very public slogan :

"Open. For Business"
(at the end, without dot)




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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>]

Hi Jörg, all

> If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
>
> http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png

Just a little variation on the theme "Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8"
based upon your suggestion (and minor/cosmetic alteration on my part).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UPed2jyIhHEp9ST49q0uNgqFDWJsNL1s/view?usp=sharing


BTW:
What font is used for: "Open for all / since 20 years"?


Regards,

Czesław

ср, 9 сент. 2020 г. в 12:22, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bidouille [mailto:oooforum@free.fr]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:34 AM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
> > About 20th anniversary plans]
> >
> > Another suggestion:
> > https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>
> If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
>
> http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png
>
>
>
> Jörg
>
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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Bidouille <oo...@free.fr>]

> If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:
> http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png

For me, if a sentence must be used, it should be translated for localized version.
So, I think a logotype is better.


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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bidouille [mailto:oooforum@free.fr] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 11:34 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> Another suggestion:
> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png

If there is still time for suggestions, here is mine:

http://calc-info.de/files/AOO_20years.png



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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Due to some current statements of Mathias in the thread "Proposals" I want to change my vote from +-0 to:

-0.9



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Re: Proposals

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/10/2020 12:03 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Personally, I would align with the OK button in that dialog.

In my opinion that would not improve the logo. The OK button is 16 px to the right and if I moved the ellipse there, the whitespace would be unbalanced compared to the whitespace from the top. Currently it is at 6px from the top and right edge.

> One more thing: Remember, in the end the graphic has to have transparent
> background:
> 
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127923

Thank you for the reminder! Done!
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod4.png

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Re: Proposals

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 10.09.20 um 12:51 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
>> directory?
>>
>> The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
> No, I had not done that yet.
> I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
Personally, I would align with the OK button in that dialog.
>
> Two options:
>
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod2.png
>
> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod3.png
>
> The second has more space but could be difficult to read on a small screen with high resolution.
>
> Opinions/suggestions?

One more thing: Remember, in the end the graphic has to have transparent
background:

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127923

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi all,

Am 13.09.20 um 11:00 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Jörg, all
>>
>> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>>
>>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
>> Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?
> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.

That said, I made a final adjustment to the About logo:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

The Intro logo is unchanged:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>  
>>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
>> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>>
>>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>>
>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>>
>>> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
>> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
>> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/13/2020 10:00 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.

Thank you for the availability!
Enjoy your days off!

If there is no opposition I will commit both your logos mentioned on your other email

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

to branch 4.1.8 in location main/default_images/introabout
to replace the current images.

I hope this can be approved by Lazy Consensus if there is no opposition expressed within the next 72 hours.

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Jörg, all
>
> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>
>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
> Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?

Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
now, but will be available for building an RC.

Regards,

   Matthias

>  
>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>
>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>
>> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hi Pedro,  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was 
> simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. 
> If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
> 
> > > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here 
> is also my
> > > proposal for the About dialog:
> > > 
> > > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
> > 
> > OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole 
> display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> > This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest 
> of the logo.
> > 
> > Explanation: In your suggestion 
> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text 
> leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
> 
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?

Yes, aligning it would be (theoretically) a possibility, but in concrete terms there seems to be hardly enough space available.

I uploaded a sketch, the text would have to be arranged imho within the red lines:
http://calc-info.de/files/skizze.gif

but the text would have to be quite small and I don't know if that is acceptable.


A basic remark:
would it be good to use two different logos (one for Splash-Screen and one for About-Box)? Or is that not the point at all?

Yes, this remark extends the discussion (and makes it more difficult) but please understand my position - I _don't_ want to dominate the discussion with my opinion. 
So at the end of the discussion the _best technical_ (or optical) solution should be found and not a 'deal' just to not annoy anybody.


> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this 
> off-list in German and reach an agreement?

I would agree, but I know that Mathias won't talk to me. Therefore it is unfortunately not possible.



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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Jörg, all

Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails

> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?

Yes there is a process, and it is barely  started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?
 
> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)

Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.

> > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> > proposal for the About dialog:
> > 
> > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
> 
> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
> 
> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".

I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned? 
Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?

Regards,
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>]

Hi all,

On 9/12/20 5:53 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Pedro, all,
>
> Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Joerg, all
>>
>>> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>>> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
>> This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
>>
>> To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
> Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
> screen (Intro):
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
I like the layout of this one.  I know we're only talking about the 
splash screen now but it seems like it would fit better in more places 
outside or that like in presentations or websites.

>
> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> proposal for the About dialog:
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>
>>   
>>> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
>> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
>>
>>> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>>>
>>> Is it now worth to work it out?
>> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
>>   
>>> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list?
>> Please do, but do that today if possible!
> Definitely!
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>>
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi Pedro, all,
> 
> Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> > Hi Joerg, all
> >
> >> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> >> first of all: please consider that I have already 
> evaluated this logo as positive.
> > This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this 
> position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
> >
> > To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long 
> enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
> 
> Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
> screen (Intro):
> 
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

++1, for my part clear agreement

(Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)


> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> proposal for the About dialog:
> 
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.

Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".




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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro, all,

Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Joerg, all
>
>> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
> This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
>
> To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.

Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
screen (Intro):

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png

Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
proposal for the About dialog:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png

>  
>> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
>
>> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>>
>> Is it now worth to work it out? 
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
>  
>> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list? 
> Please do, but do that today if possible!

Definitely!

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
 
> > But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains 
> the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one 
> line below the logo).
> 
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is 
> a better option.

Well, as already written out of politeness, I did not consider my suggestion to be better but only a suggestion.
By the way, my suggestion was not only addressed to you but to everyone here.

> > For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he 
> suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he 
> understands my suggestion.
> > 
> > Is it now worth to work it out? 
> 
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!

And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?

My suggestion was obviously disturbing, yours is apparently not.



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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Joerg, all

> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:

> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.

This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.

To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
 
> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).

I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.

> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
> 
> Is it now worth to work it out? 

Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
 
> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list? 

Please do, but do that today if possible!

Regards,
Pedro

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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello *, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:53 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi Czeslaw, all
> 
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
> 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/intro.png

first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.

But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.

Is it now worth to work it out? 


Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list? 



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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>]

Hi -

For all of the non-native English speakers please know that like Spanish English has many dialects.

Also please recall that on the website we currently keep the tag line “The Free and Open Productivity Suite” as text and allow translations for the native websites.

Again I want to let people know that we are really debating between a quick solution and perfect solutions.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
> Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brian, all
>> 
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
>>> you are in good company.
>> 
>> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
>> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
>> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
>> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
>> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
>> in time code-named "20 years"
>> True or False?  ;‑)
> 
> One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead"
> 
> "I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Czesław
>> 
>> 
>> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
>> <b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:
>> 
>>> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
>>>> Due file is available at the following link:
>>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
>>>> 
>>>> COMMENT
>>>> ... there should be a way to gently move the
>>>> focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
>>>> Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
>>> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
>>> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
>>> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
>>> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
>>> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
>>> years".
>>> 
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
>>> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
>>> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
>>> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
>>> quotes against himself the one mistake he
>>> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
>>> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
>>> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
>>> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>>> 
>>> Brian Barker
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian, all
> 
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> > you are in good company.
> 
> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
> 
> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
> in time code-named "20 years"
> True or False?  ;‑)

One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead"

"I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."

Rory


> Regards,
> 
> Czesław
> 
> 
> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
> <b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:
> 
> > At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
> > >Due file is available at the following link:
> > >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > >COMMENT
> > >... there should be a way to gently move the
> > >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> > >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> >
> > Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> > "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> > requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> > So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> > years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> > period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> > years".
> >
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> > in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> > group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> > accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> > quotes against himself the one mistake he
> > recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> > had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> > the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> > seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
> >
> > Brian Barker
> >
> >
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>]

At 19:17 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
>Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
>Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to 
>a point in time code-named "20 years"
>True or False?

True. But I cannot imagine any point in time being named "20 years" - 
unless what is meant is "the year 20", i.e. 20 CE.

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[Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>]

Hi Brian, all

> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> you are in good company.

Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".

Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
in time code-named "20 years"
True or False?  ;‑)


Regards,

Czesław


сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
<b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:

> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
> >Due file is available at the following link:
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> >
> >COMMENT
> >... there should be a way to gently move the
> >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>
> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> years".
>
> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> quotes against himself the one mistake he
> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>]

At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski  wrote:
>Due file is available at the following link:
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
>
>COMMENT
>... there should be a way to gently move the 
>focus from the otherwise important "Apache / 
>Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"

Sorry, but as has already been pointed out, 
"since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since" 
requires a point in time, not a period of time. 
So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty 
years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a 
period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20 years".

Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are 
in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop 
group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the 
accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he 
quotes against himself the one mistake he 
recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've 
had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears 
the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't 
seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".

Brian Barker 


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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolanski@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at 
> the following
> link:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTt
> bPN/view?usp=sharing
> 
> 
> COMMENT
> I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there 
> should be a way
> to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
> Office"
> to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> (short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
> "Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
> in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").

Yes, you understand me quite right. 

The reason for using the points spelling incorrectly is the intention to achieve the effect that could be described verbally with:

 "Open.  For all. "

-->the dot means "... PENG" in the meaning of how to write "<Irgendetwas> PUNKT" in German to express that the "etwas" is a fact not to be discussed.

"Since 20 years"

-->the omission of the point (AFTER it was emphasized before) expresses now advertising psychology something like 'natural', in the sense that it is about something not ordinary, but which seems to be natural at the same time BECAUSE the whole thing (here OpenOffice) is so above average.


(What I am trying to explain here has nothing to do with good, better, right ... but with (advertising) psychology, the fact that people react in a certain way to certain things (e.g. certain ways of writing).)



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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,

My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at the following
link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing


COMMENT
I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there should be a way
to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
Office"
to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
(short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
"Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").

So I added two gray horizontal lines - source of which we all know (the
Start Center).

Position, thickness, type, length and colour of lines may depend on:
- the main block ("Apache / Open Office" OR the seagull logo with "Apache /
Open Office")
- the font size/colour combination for the slogan
- the visual context.

I didn't make my amateurish proposal public because I understood time
constraints, space constraints
and the need for a simple (but not simplistic), universal solution ( About
dialog  and/or Splash Screen).


Regards,

Czesław

сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 12:00, Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>:

> Hi Matthias, all
>
> > On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> > exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> > So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> > text to curves.
>
> Good point! Done!
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg
>
> > Beware that this isn't reversible.
>
> That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate
> versions in case something needs to be edited!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> text to curves.

Good point! Done!
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg

> Beware that this isn't reversible.

That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate versions in case something needs to be edited!

Thanks!

Regards,
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 11.09.20 um 23:53 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Czeslaw, all
>
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png
>
> And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg

The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.

So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
text to curves. Beware that this isn't reversible.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aren't you a designer?  ;‑)
> Nope. I'm a hacker ;)
>
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> Pedro
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Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Czeslaw, all

Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png

And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg


> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aren't you a designer?  ;‑)

Nope. I'm a hacker ;)

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Re: Proposals

[Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>]

Hi Pedro, all

> Two options:
>
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the
> right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod2.png

sgn(1)


> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod3.png

++1
Once you wrote: "I warned in advance that I am not a designer".
This time no forewarning and yet your proposal is fine (given
space-and-time constraints).
Aren't you a designer?  ;‑)


Regards,

Czesław

пт, 11 сент. 2020 г. в 10:26, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:52 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Proposals
> >
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > > On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel
> > <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in
> > your /programs
> > > directory?
> > >
> > > The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
> >
> > No, I had not done that yet.
> > I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
> >
> > Two options:
> >
> > 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the
> > right, keeping the font size at 13
> > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> > ster/openoffice_mod2.png
>
> +1
>
> > 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> > ster/openoffice_mod3.png
>
> ++1
>
>
> Jörg
>
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RE: Proposals

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:52 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
> 
> Hi Matthias
> 
> > On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel 
> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
> > Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in 
> your /programs
> > directory?
> > 
> > The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
> 
> No, I had not done that yet.
> I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
> 
> Two options:
> 
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the 
> right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod2.png

+1

> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod3.png

++1


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Re: Proposals

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
> directory?
> 
> The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...

No, I had not done that yet.
I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.

Two options:

1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the right, keeping the font size at 13
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod2.png

2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod3.png

The second has more space but could be difficult to read on a small screen with high resolution.

Opinions/suggestions?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Proposals

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 10.09.20 um 01:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus, all
>
>> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to 
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
> I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png

Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
directory?

The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> 1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
> 2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
> 3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
> 4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
> 5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
> 6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
> (although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg
>
> If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Proposals

[Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>]

> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> 	
>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>>> Good work!
>> +1
>>> 	I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
>> You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
>> Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
> 
> when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.

I feel that it is a bit squeezed, but I accept that because otherwise we will be redoing the layout and that has many consequences. So, making this image taller by putting the text below is a bad option that will eventually require work with every language - over 40 to assure that the layout is ok.

> 
>> Look at the logo:
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>> there this disadvantage does not exist.
> 
> For me both (or all three) are the same with regard to squeezed text.

Yes. It is about looking at where these logos are going to be used.

A discussion about the website logo and text is wholly different and needs to be done on the L10n emailing list as well.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Marcus
> 
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RE: Proposals

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:46 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
> 
> Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> > 	
> >> 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod.png
> > 
> >> Good work!
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> >> 	I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some 
> further "hacking" on my original proposal:
> > 
> >> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
> >> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
> > 
> > You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
> > 
> > Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the 
> right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
> 
> when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.

yes, right

But don't get my question wrong, it was a rhetorical question to underline my opinion.



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Re: Proposals

[Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>]

Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> 	
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
> 
>> Good work!
> 
> +1
> 
>> 	I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:
> 
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
> 
> You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
> 
> Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?

when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.

> Look at the logo:
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
> 
> there this disadvantage does not exist.

For me both (or all three) are the same with regard to squeezed text.

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RE: Proposals

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

 
	
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png

> Good work!

+1

>	I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:

> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png

You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.

Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?

Look at the logo:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png

there this disadvantage does not exist.



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Re: Proposals

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 10.09.20 um 01:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus, all
>
>> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to 
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
> I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png

Good work!

I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on
my original proposal:

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png

> 1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
> 2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
> 3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
> 4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
> 5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
> 6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
> (although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg
>
> If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)

It is up to you if you stop the vote. But we have several +1 now and one
-0.9 which basically means:

'I /really/ don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if
everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
(https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#expressing-votes-1-0-1-and-fractions)

BTW: Thanks for finding "Source Sans Pro" on GitHub. I had an older
version from the time Chris Rottensteiner designed our logo with it.

Regards,

   Matthias

> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Proposals

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Marcus, all

> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to 
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)

I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png

1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
(although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg

If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)

Regards,
Pedro

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RE: Proposals

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 7:32 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
> 
> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Please do not hijack a VOTE.
> > 
> > You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
> 
> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.

> > Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
> 
> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. 

I would like that well, because the reason to see the individual suggestion rather negatively, far less the formulation "open-source for 20 years" is, _than rather that it looks simply optically bad to position these words *cramped* behind the Logo_.

> Then it's up to 
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. J 

I understand ... and I declare that I would take over this work _if_ we decide to vote again.

Because the current new logo proposals were brought forward very quickly, I think that it would be possible to collect them by setting a short deadline of 3 days.


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Re: Proposals

[Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>]

Am 09.09.20 um 20:03 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 09.09.20 um 19:31 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
>>>
>>> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
>>
>> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
>>
>>> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
>>
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
> 
> Yes, but if we want to release around the 20th anniversary, then time is
> running out...

sure, it was meant as another theoretical possibility.

> But if we don't come to a conclusion in a timely manner we can still
> release with an unchanged About logo.
> Although this is not my preferred solution...

We have already a problem with the currently running vote as there is no 
end time. ;-)

But when we assume max. 5 days it should be OK.

Marcus



>>> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>>>> Another suggestion:
>>>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About
>>>>> 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>>>> +-0
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html


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Re: Proposals

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Marcus,

Am 09.09.20 um 19:31 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
>>
>> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
>
> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
>
>> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
>
> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)

Yes, but if we want to release around the 20th anniversary, then time is
running out...

But if we don't come to a conclusion in a timely manner we can still
release with an unchanged About logo.
Although this is not my preferred solution...

Matthias

>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>>> Another suggestion:
>>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>>
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About
>>>> 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>>> +-0
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
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Re: Proposals

[Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>]

Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
> 
> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)

right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.

> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.

Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to 
the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)

Marcus



> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>> Another suggestion:
>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>
>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>> +-0
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>
>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html


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Proposals (was: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans])

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi,

Please do not hijack a VOTE.

You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)

Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.

Even "open source" vs. "open-source" has already been discussed in June.

And to answer Czesław: The font is of course "Source Sans Pro", not "Arial".

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
> Another suggestion:
> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>
> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>
>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>
>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>
>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>> +-0
>>
>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>
>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Bidouille <oo...@free.fr>]

Another suggestion:
https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png

----- Mail original -----
> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
> > About 20th anniversary plans]
> > 
> > Hi Matthias, all
> > 
> > > On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
> > <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
> > > 
> > > The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> > 
> > I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
> 
> +-0
> 
> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
> not a graphics expert to improve it.
> 
> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
> https://www.apache.org/ or
> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> Hi Matthias, all
> 
> > On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel 
> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
> > I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
> > 
> > The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> 
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png

+-0

Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am not a graphics expert to improve it.

I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example https://www.apache.org/ or http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html



Jörg



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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>]

Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>
>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> 
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
> 
> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
> 
> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
> main/default_images/introabout
> to replace the current about.png

+1

Maybe Matthias has the time to delete the dash if it's really wrong.
If not then it's also OK for me.

Marcus


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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>]

+1 - this logo fits the current layout of the About box and can be properly adapted for the Startup Screen.

Personally I prefer “open source” to “open-source”, but I don’t care to disrupt.

A three line version would be:
free and 
open-source
for 20 years

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 9, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Mechtilde <oo...@mechtilde.de> wrote:
> 
> +1 for all points (binding)
> 
> Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias, all
>> 
>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>> 
>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>> 
>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>> 
>> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
>> 
>> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
>> main/default_images/introabout
>> to replace the current about.png
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>> 
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RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mechtilde [mailto:ooo@mechtilde.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 8:52 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: 
> About 20th anniversary plans]
> 
> +1 for all points (binding)

You think this is a vote for PMC members? Or what else do you want to express _at this point_ with "binding"?

I think we are here, in this specific case, in a vote where all votes have the same weight.

Yes, I think that this remark is necessary, because it would be possible to insist on "binding", but this was not announced and should not be done during the vote.



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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Mechtilde <oo...@mechtilde.de>]

+1 for all points (binding)

Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
> 
>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>
>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> 
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
> 
> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
> 
> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
> main/default_images/introabout
> to replace the current about.png
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

["Dr. Michael Stehmann" <an...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>]

+1 (binding, if that matters)

Kind regards
Michael

Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
> 
>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> 
>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>
>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> 
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
> 
> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
> 
> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
> main/default_images/introabout
> to replace the current about.png
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro
> 
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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

See below

Am 08.09.20 um 19:10 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>
>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>
> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
>
> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
> main/default_images/introabout
> to replace the current about.png

+1

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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[VOTE CLOSED] Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Carl, all

Thank you to all that voted!

The final tally for this vote was

7 +1 (2 Binding, if it applies)
1 +0

The Vote is now CLOSED with the result that 

a) changing the logo to the proposed image
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
b) displaying image on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
c) committing the image to branch 4.1.8 in location main/default_images/introabout
to replace the current about.png

is approved.

I propose that this is carried out ASAP if we want to have 4.1.8 released in time.

Regards,
Pedro

P.S:
> On 09/12/2020 2:50 PM Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 (binding) just in case..
> not sure if this vote is still running)

I'm afraid not. The 72H ended yesterday at 6:10 PM but thank you for your vote! ;)

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Re: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>]

+1 (binding) just in case..
not sure if this vote is still running)

Best regards,
Carl

On 9/8/20 1:10 PM, Pedro Lino wrote:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>
>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>
> on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)
>
> I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
> main/default_images/introabout
> to replace the current about.png
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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[vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
> 
> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?

I call for a vote on the usage of this image
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png

on the About dialog of version 4.1.8 (to be released during the 20th Anniversary celebration)

I propose that it is committed to branch 4.1.8 in location
main/default_images/introabout
to replace the current about.png

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Bidouille <oo...@free.fr>]

Proposal: 
https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIioC4iLvJp_aoo-20th-anniversary.odg


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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 07.09.20 um 22:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Czeslaw, all
>
>> Pedro's proposal
>> seems to me sort of "embarras de richesses" (in French: "confusing
>> abundance").
> I warned in advance that I am not a designer. In any case, without a vector version there is little that can be done...
>
>> "Open-source for 20 years" does the job properly.
> Fine by me. Can I move forward with this option?
> Any votes against?

I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?

The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Czeslaw, all

> Pedro's proposal
> seems to me sort of "embarras de richesses" (in French: "confusing
> abundance").

I warned in advance that I am not a designer. In any case, without a vector version there is little that can be done...

> "Open-source for 20 years" does the job properly.

Fine by me. Can I move forward with this option?
Any votes against?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,

@ Matthias
> While I like the graphic from the French list
> I don't see it
> in the context of AOO dialogs.

+1

Additional remark:
As I already pointed out (dev@ subject "OpenOffice 20 years event", 29
August)
I like the idea of combining the "O/0" character and the seagull logo.
Image provided by the French volunteer is a self-standing entity and
Pedro's proposal
seems to me sort of "embarras de richesses" (in French: "confusing
abundance").
I see the bigger seagull logo on the one side of "Apache/OpenOffice 4" and
its reduced copy on the other.
That doesn't look very appealing and IMHO strains one's eyes - no matter
what colour "20 years" would take.

"Open-source for 20 years" does the job properly.

Regards,

Czesław Wolański



пн, 7 сент. 2020 г. в 16:12, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>:

> Hi Pedro,
>
> Am 07.09.20 um 11:52 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> > Hi Jörg
> >
> >> On 09/07/2020 9:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> >> I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) with a
> color that would be more recognizable.
> >>
> >> I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say if this
> would be the best choice.
> >> Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?
> > I agree. Maybe some colour from the Apache feather
> >
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Apache_Feather_Logo.svg
> >
> >> Unfortunately it is not so easy to create an example directly because
> "20 years" contains antialiasing.
> > Yes, this requires that the original author does that (or shares a
> vector version of the original)
> >
> > This raises another question: in some versions of the AOO logos there is
> a TM and in others a R. Which is correct?
>
> There is only one source for the logos:
>
> https://www.apache.org/logos/?#openoffice
>
> As you might have noticed graphics were changed in the source and on the
> homepages recently.
> But as only one person (guess who?) does this it can take a while until
> everything is up to date.
>
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>
> This should be updated. The artwork is the same, except for the
> registered trademark.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pedro
> >
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 07.09.20 um 11:52 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Jörg
>
>> On 09/07/2020 9:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>> I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) with a color that would be more recognizable.
>>
>> I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say if this would be the best choice.
>> Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?
> I agree. Maybe some colour from the Apache feather
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Apache_Feather_Logo.svg
>  
>> Unfortunately it is not so easy to create an example directly because "20 years" contains antialiasing.
> Yes, this requires that the original author does that (or shares a vector version of the original)
>
> This raises another question: in some versions of the AOO logos there is a TM and in others a R. Which is correct?

There is only one source for the logos:

https://www.apache.org/logos/?#openoffice

As you might have noticed graphics were changed in the source and on the
homepages recently.
But as only one person (guess who?) does this it can take a while until
everything is up to date.

>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg

This should be updated. The artwork is the same, except for the
registered trademark.

Regards,

Matthias

>
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RE: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Jörg

> On 09/07/2020 9:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:

> I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) with a color that would be more recognizable.
> 
> I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say if this would be the best choice.
> Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?

I agree. Maybe some colour from the Apache feather
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Apache_Feather_Logo.svg
 
> Unfortunately it is not so easy to create an example directly because "20 years" contains antialiasing.

Yes, this requires that the original author does that (or shares a vector version of the original)

This raises another question: in some versions of the AOO logos there is a TM and in others a R. Which is correct?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg

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RE: About 20th anniversary plans

[Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>]

Hello,  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org] 
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 9:05 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: About 20th anniversary plans
> 
> Hi Peter, all
> 
> I'm not a designer but can hack stuff using Gimp :)
> 
> I adapted the idea submitted by the french volunteer (we can 
> not use the images as they are because they must have the 
> exact same pixel size to fit in the dialogs)
> 
> In the Intro screen the white space below the word OpenOffice 
> can not be used because it is where the progress bar is 
> displayed during loading.
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/ZNYjwDq
> 
> Comments/suggestions?

I had recently suggested replacing the yellow (at 20 years) with a color that would be more recognizable.

I mentioned orange as an alternative color, but I can't say if this would be the best choice.
Maybe you should just use the red-brown of the Apache lettering?

Unfortunately it is not so easy to create an example directly because "20 years" contains antialiasing.



greetings,
Jörg


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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Peter, all

I'm not a designer but can hack stuff using Gimp :)

I adapted the idea submitted by the french volunteer (we can not use the images as they are because they must have the exact same pixel size to fit in the dialogs)

In the Intro screen the white space below the word OpenOffice can not be used because it is where the progress bar is displayed during loading.

https://imgur.com/a/ZNYjwDq

Comments/suggestions?


> On 09/07/2020 12:47 AM Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>  
> I am +1, if not Matthias is the one who does everything.
> 
> It should be a community thing. We got some pictures from the french List.
> 
> If i.e. Pedro can create a patch to add them in, I think it is great.
> 
> I am kind of negative if in the End Matthias has to do it all alone.
> 
> We have to get more people get involved in such stuff.
> 
> 
> I hope I could make myself clear on the constraints I see ;)
> 
> 
> All the Best
> 
> Peter
> 
> Am 07.09.20 um 00:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Hi Pedro,
> >
> > Am 07.09.20 um 00:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> >> Hi Matthias
> >>
> >>> On 09/06/2020 5:44 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >>> Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really think it
> >>> is not needed.
> >>>
> >>> If others want one, this should be discussed.
> >>   
> >> Then let's discuss :)
> >> I think that for a matter of consistency both screens should be kept similar. Is it not what is done for a Test build or a Developer build?
> > I do it for my personal Test Builds and we did it for Dev Builds. But
> > there is no rule for it.
> >
> > AOO 4.1.8 being a "normal" build (just happening around the 20th
> > anniversary) only needs a modified About graphic (IMO).
> >
> > But I will step back, since I would be the one to do the work (as I
> > already did) and wait what others think of it.
> >
> >>>>> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
> >>>>> Request? ;-)
> >>>> I would say main/default_images/introabout?
> >>> Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.
> >> But only for branch 4.1.8 which will not be further developed?
> > Of course we can restore the old graphic in branch 419 when it is
> > branched off 418.
> >
> > But I will not decide that, since it is easier for me to specify it in
> > configure.
> >
> >> I assume this does not affect the other branches. If it does, then it should be somewhere else
> >>   
> >>> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
> >> Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...
> > Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls
> >
> > Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
> > "ready"
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >     Matthias
> >
> >> Regards
> >> Pedro
> >>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>]

I am +1, if not Matthias is the one who does everything.

It should be a community thing. We got some pictures from the french List.

If i.e. Pedro can create a patch to add them in, I think it is great.

I am kind of negative if in the End Matthias has to do it all alone.

We have to get more people get involved in such stuff.


I hope I could make myself clear on the constraints I see ;)


All the Best

Peter

Am 07.09.20 um 00:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Am 07.09.20 um 00:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias
>>
>>> On 09/06/2020 5:44 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really think it
>>> is not needed.
>>>
>>> If others want one, this should be discussed.
>>   
>> Then let's discuss :)
>> I think that for a matter of consistency both screens should be kept similar. Is it not what is done for a Test build or a Developer build?
> I do it for my personal Test Builds and we did it for Dev Builds. But
> there is no rule for it.
>
> AOO 4.1.8 being a "normal" build (just happening around the 20th
> anniversary) only needs a modified About graphic (IMO).
>
> But I will step back, since I would be the one to do the work (as I
> already did) and wait what others think of it.
>
>>>>> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
>>>>> Request? ;-)
>>>> I would say main/default_images/introabout?
>>> Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.
>> But only for branch 4.1.8 which will not be further developed?
> Of course we can restore the old graphic in branch 419 when it is
> branched off 418.
>
> But I will not decide that, since it is easier for me to specify it in
> configure.
>
>> I assume this does not affect the other branches. If it does, then it should be somewhere else
>>   
>>> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
>> Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...
> Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls
>
> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
> "ready"
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
>> Regards
>> Pedro
>>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro, All,

Am 08.09.20 um 13:21 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/08/2020 11:48 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> I didn't mean github, but the git command in Linux...
>>> I can switch the logo in my local copy and compile with it. The question is how to commit that change...
>> You can't if you don't have write access to our Git repo.
>> That's what Pull Requests are for!
> Ok. I assumed doing it through the git command would also submit my changes so that they would be evaluated and merged if accepted.
> Is there any way to fork the 418 branch only or do I need to fork the whole openoffice project?

What I forgot:

"Normally" only the Release Manager merges commits into a (to be
released) branch.

However, I did a lot of small commits over the past year. Don Lewis did
highly appreciated code commits recently.

@Jim: Would you be available as Release Manager once more?

Regards,

   Matthias

>  
>> The question still is if we want to overwrite the graphic.
> We do. At least we have 2 votes for (mine and Czeslaw's, I'm not counting you :)) and none against. So in my view by lazy consensus this was already approved...
>
>>>> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
>>>> "ready"
>>> I think the plan is to release 4.1.8 next month for the 20th Aniversary so it would be good that there is a consensus that it is ready before that?
>> A plan is a plan. And we can only release it when it is ready. So hurry
>> up, people! ;-)
> +1
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 08.09.20 um 14:03 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On 09/08/2020 12:34 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> You can fork the branch on GitHub and create a Pull Request.
>> I am no expert in Git, a lot of (bad) things can be done with commands. ;-)
> That is exactly why I was asking on this mailing list before doing anything... :)
That's why we prefer people to do Pull Requests... ;-)
>  
>> If you don't already have write access, you can do that with self service:
>>
>> https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/
> Thank you for the link. Almost there!
>
>> Yes, I would rather refer to the graphic in configure (as I always did).
> That would mean that anybody wanting to compile would have to change their configure command instead of simply compiling after downloading the branch...
> Isn't it easier for everybody just changing the logo on the source for this branch?

If we do a backup of the original graphic that we can restore for 419
that would work.

But I am not the one to decide.

>
>> Remember, Lazy Consensus has to last for 72 hours. I am not sure when
>> your "vote" has begun.
> Yesterday at 9:35 (I'm sorry I did not comment on your email back in June...)
And don't mix up Lazy Consensus with a vote. Two separate things.

But both must be easy to be recognized, no "stealth mode" ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

> On 09/08/2020 12:34 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> You can fork the branch on GitHub and create a Pull Request.
> I am no expert in Git, a lot of (bad) things can be done with commands. ;-)

That is exactly why I was asking on this mailing list before doing anything... :)
 
> If you don't already have write access, you can do that with self service:
> 
> https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/

Thank you for the link. Almost there!

> Yes, I would rather refer to the graphic in configure (as I always did).

That would mean that anybody wanting to compile would have to change their configure command instead of simply compiling after downloading the branch...
Isn't it easier for everybody just changing the logo on the source for this branch?

> Remember, Lazy Consensus has to last for 72 hours. I am not sure when
> your "vote" has begun.

Yesterday at 9:35 (I'm sorry I did not comment on your email back in June...)

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Am 08.09.20 um 13:21 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/08/2020 11:48 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> I didn't mean github, but the git command in Linux...
>>> I can switch the logo in my local copy and compile with it. The question is how to commit that change...
>> You can't if you don't have write access to our Git repo.
>> That's what Pull Requests are for!
> Ok. I assumed doing it through the git command would also submit my changes so that they would be evaluated and merged if accepted.
> Is there any way to fork the 418 branch only or do I need to fork the whole openoffice project?

You can fork the branch on GitHub and create a Pull Request.
I am no expert in Git, a lot of (bad) things can be done with commands. ;-)

If you don't already have write access, you can do that with self service:

https://gitbox.apache.org/setup/

>  
>> The question still is if we want to overwrite the graphic.
> We do. At least we have 2 votes for (mine and Czeslaw's, I'm not counting you :)) and none against. So in my view by lazy consensus this was already approved...

Yes, I would rather refer to the graphic in configure (as I always did).
Remember, Lazy Consensus has to last for 72 hours. I am not sure when
your "vote" has begun.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>>>> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
>>>> "ready"
>>> I think the plan is to release 4.1.8 next month for the 20th Aniversary so it would be good that there is a consensus that it is ready before that?
>> A plan is a plan. And we can only release it when it is ready. So hurry
>> up, people! ;-)
> +1
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/08/2020 11:48 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> > I didn't mean github, but the git command in Linux...
> > I can switch the logo in my local copy and compile with it. The question is how to commit that change...
> 
> You can't if you don't have write access to our Git repo.
> That's what Pull Requests are for!

Ok. I assumed doing it through the git command would also submit my changes so that they would be evaluated and merged if accepted.
Is there any way to fork the 418 branch only or do I need to fork the whole openoffice project?
 
> The question still is if we want to overwrite the graphic.

We do. At least we have 2 votes for (mine and Czeslaw's, I'm not counting you :)) and none against. So in my view by lazy consensus this was already approved...

> >> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
> >> "ready"
> > I think the plan is to release 4.1.8 next month for the 20th Aniversary so it would be good that there is a consensus that it is ready before that?
> 
> A plan is a plan. And we can only release it when it is ready. So hurry
> up, people! ;-)

+1

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 08.09.20 um 12:39 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 09/06/2020 11:16 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>   
>>>> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
>>> Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...
>> Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls
>>
> I didn't mean github, but the git command in Linux...
> I can switch the logo in my local copy and compile with it. The question is how to commit that change...

You can't if you don't have write access to our Git repo.
That's what Pull Requests are for!

The question still is if we want to overwrite the graphic.

>
>> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
>> "ready"
> I think the plan is to release 4.1.8 next month for the 20th Aniversary so it would be good that there is a consensus that it is ready before that?

A plan is a plan. And we can only release it when it is ready. So hurry
up, people! ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias, all

> On 09/06/2020 11:16 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
  
> >> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
> > Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...
> 
> Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls
>

I didn't mean github, but the git command in Linux...
I can switch the logo in my local copy and compile with it. The question is how to commit that change...

> Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
> "ready"

I think the plan is to release 4.1.8 next month for the 20th Aniversary so it would be good that there is a consensus that it is ready before that?

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 07.09.20 um 00:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/06/2020 5:44 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really think it
>> is not needed.
>>
>> If others want one, this should be discussed.
>  
> Then let's discuss :)
> I think that for a matter of consistency both screens should be kept similar. Is it not what is done for a Test build or a Developer build?

I do it for my personal Test Builds and we did it for Dev Builds. But
there is no rule for it.

AOO 4.1.8 being a "normal" build (just happening around the 20th
anniversary) only needs a modified About graphic (IMO).

But I will step back, since I would be the one to do the work (as I
already did) and wait what others think of it.

>
>>>> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
>>>> Request? ;-)
>>> I would say main/default_images/introabout?
>> Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.
> But only for branch 4.1.8 which will not be further developed?

Of course we can restore the old graphic in branch 419 when it is
branched off 418.

But I will not decide that, since it is easier for me to specify it in
configure.

> I assume this does not affect the other branches. If it does, then it should be somewhere else
>  
>> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.
> Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...

Git calls it Pull requests: https://github.com/apache/openoffice/pulls

Branch 418 is almost 12 month old. And it will be released when it is
"ready"

Regards,

   Matthias

>
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> Pedro
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/06/2020 5:44 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really think it
> is not needed.
> 
> If others want one, this should be discussed.
 
Then let's discuss :)
I think that for a matter of consistency both screens should be kept similar. Is it not what is done for a Test build or a Developer build?

> >> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
> >> Request? ;-)
> > I would say main/default_images/introabout?
> 
> Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.

But only for branch 4.1.8 which will not be further developed?
I assume this does not affect the other branches. If it does, then it should be somewhere else
 
> A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.

Pull? Shouldn't it be Push? I'm not sure if I won't break stuff and it's less than a month for release...

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 06.09.20 um 16:59 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/06/2020 1:50 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> I can hack the Intro screen with the same text
>> We shouldn't do any "hacking" here...
> Hacking is what we do when we change things. It has been wrongly associated with evil things. You are a white hat hacker ;)
> Unless I misunderstood your comment and you disagree on changing the Intro screen?

Well, I didn't create a graphic for the Intro because I really think it
is not needed.

If others want one, this should be discussed.

>  
>> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
>> Request? ;-)
> I would say main/default_images/introabout?

Yes, but that would override our "original" graphic.

I would rather refer to the graphic in ./configure.

But again, if others want it to be that way, we should discuss.

> This is what I'm doing by email :) I don't know how to do that in git :)
> I assume a combination of commit and/or push but I don't want to break stuff!

A Pull Request cannot break stuff. It is easy to do on GitHub.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/06/2020 1:50 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > I can hack the Intro screen with the same text
> 
> We shouldn't do any "hacking" here...

Hacking is what we do when we change things. It has been wrongly associated with evil things. You are a white hat hacker ;)
Unless I misunderstood your comment and you disagree on changing the Intro screen?
 
> So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
> Request? ;-)

I would say main/default_images/introabout?
This is what I'm doing by email :) I don't know how to do that in git :)
I assume a combination of commit and/or push but I don't want to break stuff!

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Pedro

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 06.09.20 um 14:47 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/06/2020 1:21 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> Am 06.09.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>
>>> I assumed it was approved by lazy consensus that version 4.1.8 would use the "open-source for 20 years" message both in the Intro and in the About dialogs?
>> No, only for the About dialog.
> I think it would make sense to add it to the Intro as well.
> +1 vote
> I can hack the Intro screen with the same text

We shouldn't do any "hacking" here...

>
>> You can find it here:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/4.1.8/
> I already had the image. My point was that it should be added to the proper folder in github so that it is included when I do a git pull origin AOO418

So, which would be the proper folder and why don't you crate a Pull
Request? ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias

> On 09/06/2020 1:21 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Am 06.09.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> > Hi Matthias, all
> >
> > I assumed it was approved by lazy consensus that version 4.1.8 would use the "open-source for 20 years" message both in the Intro and in the About dialogs?
> No, only for the About dialog.

I think it would make sense to add it to the Intro as well.
+1 vote
I can hack the Intro screen with the same text

> You can find it here:
> 
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/4.1.8/

I already had the image. My point was that it should be added to the proper folder in github so that it is included when I do a git pull origin AOO418

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Pedro,

Am 06.09.20 um 14:17 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
> I assumed it was approved by lazy consensus that version 4.1.8 would use the "open-source for 20 years" message both in the Intro and in the About dialogs?
No, only for the About dialog.
>
> Can these images be committed to the 4.1.8 branch for testing (not that it could break something but just to check if it looks good)?

You can find it here:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/4.1.8/

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>]

Hi Matthias, all

I assumed it was approved by lazy consensus that version 4.1.8 would use the "open-source for 20 years" message both in the Intro and in the About dialogs?

Can these images be committed to the 4.1.8 branch for testing (not that it could break something but just to check if it looks good)?

Thanks!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: About 20th anniversary plans

[Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>]

Hi Hyeon,

Am 01.09.20 um 16:16 schrieb Hyeon Lee:
> Hi,
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> Is there any webpage about the volunteering and participating on the 20th anniversary? I was off from the dev mailing list for a while and I would be happy if there is any plans in written form, so that I could have a look. (or about 4.1.8 too!)

I can't say anything regarding a 20th anniversary event but for AOO
4.1.8 we are trying to document as much as possible.

See [1] for the Release Schedule

See [2] for the Release Notes (Draft)

See [3] for the differences (compared to 4.1.7) on GitHub

Feel free to ask if you have any specific question.

Regards,

   Matthias


[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.8

[2]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.8+Release+Notes

[3] https://github.com/apache/openoffice/compare/AOO417...AOO418

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