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Posted to dev@lucene.apache.org by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> on 2005/02/27 07:37:38 UTC
updating jakarta site
Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene to TLP there?
Mainly this would involve:
Addition of news item concerning promotion
Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
Removal of Lucene from Download pages
Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're planning are:
Separate mail page
Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
Remove 'Bugs' link
Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
Hen
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
There is a pending JIRA issue for Lucene e-mail lists here:
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-195
Please adjust it and prod infrastructure when agreement is made on the
lists. I prefer a single commits list for now, but no problem if the
consensus is to separate them.
Erik
On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Doug Cutting wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>> Your download page is already separate, you're using the global
>> closer.cgi file.
>
> So we need to:
> - rename Lucene Java's mailing lists, with forwards put into place.
> - add a mailing list page to Lucene Java's website, modelled after
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Lucene. This should replace
> the link in the sidebar to Jakarta's mailing list page.
>
> The mailing lists should probably be renamed:
> java-user@lucene.apache.org
> java-dev@lucene.apache.org
> java-commits@lucene.apache.org
>
> Does that sound right to folks?
>
> Doug
>
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
Doug Cutting wrote:
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
>
>> Actually, currently we've got both lucene4c and java commits going to
>> commits@lucene.apache.org, and there was some talk of just leaving it
>> that way, since it isn't that much traffic and it encourages people to
>> keep an eye on what's going on in other languages.
>
>
> I think that's a bad idea. Once there are lots of commits folks will
> start unsubscribing or ignoring things. Personally I only want to see
> commits for projects that I'm actively contributing to. I don't
> anticipate I'll be comitting to lucene4c, so I don't feel the need to
> track it on a commit-by-commit level. I do anticipate I'll make commits
> to Lucene Java, and try to carefully read every commit message for this
> project. Yes, I could set up filters so that I only see the commits I
> like, but I'd much prefer these were simply separate mailing lists. Soon
> we hope to have Nutch under Lucene's umbrella. Do you and Erik really
> want to see all of the Nutch commits in your inbox?
I don't personally object to seeing all the Nutch commits, but I can see
how people would, so I don't object to splitting up the lists if thats
what others want to do.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/nutch-cvs%40lists.sourceforge.net/
>
> We keep running into this same confusion: I think that the Lucene TLP
> should be setup primarily as a container of sub-projects. Jakarta
> Lucene is the first of these and Lucene4c is the second. We don't
> intend to merge Jakarta Lucene and Lucene4c into a single project, with
> the single set of developers, building a single download. So each
> component of Jakarta Lucene should be moved to a sub-component of Lucene
> TLP, not to a top-level component. This is the case for bug databases,
> mailing lists, web sites, etc. across the board. Do we disagree on this?
Makes sense to me.
-garrett
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org>.
Garrett Rooney wrote:
> Actually, currently we've got both lucene4c and java commits going to
> commits@lucene.apache.org, and there was some talk of just leaving it
> that way, since it isn't that much traffic and it encourages people to
> keep an eye on what's going on in other languages.
I think that's a bad idea. Once there are lots of commits folks will
start unsubscribing or ignoring things. Personally I only want to see
commits for projects that I'm actively contributing to. I don't
anticipate I'll be comitting to lucene4c, so I don't feel the need to
track it on a commit-by-commit level. I do anticipate I'll make commits
to Lucene Java, and try to carefully read every commit message for this
project. Yes, I could set up filters so that I only see the commits I
like, but I'd much prefer these were simply separate mailing lists.
Soon we hope to have Nutch under Lucene's umbrella. Do you and Erik
really want to see all of the Nutch commits in your inbox?
http://www.mail-archive.com/nutch-cvs%40lists.sourceforge.net/
We keep running into this same confusion: I think that the Lucene TLP
should be setup primarily as a container of sub-projects. Jakarta
Lucene is the first of these and Lucene4c is the second. We don't
intend to merge Jakarta Lucene and Lucene4c into a single project, with
the single set of developers, building a single download. So each
component of Jakarta Lucene should be moved to a sub-component of Lucene
TLP, not to a top-level component. This is the case for bug databases,
mailing lists, web sites, etc. across the board. Do we disagree on this?
Doug
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
Doug Cutting wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
>> Your download page is already separate, you're using the global
>> closer.cgi file.
>
>
> So we need to:
> - rename Lucene Java's mailing lists, with forwards put into place.
> - add a mailing list page to Lucene Java's website, modelled after
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Lucene. This should replace
> the link in the sidebar to Jakarta's mailing list page.
>
> The mailing lists should probably be renamed:
> java-user@lucene.apache.org
> java-dev@lucene.apache.org
> java-commits@lucene.apache.org
Actually, currently we've got both lucene4c and java commits going to
commits@lucene.apache.org, and there was some talk of just leaving it
that way, since it isn't that much traffic and it encourages people to
keep an eye on what's going on in other languages.
-garrett
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Your download page is already separate, you're using the global closer.cgi file.
So we need to:
- rename Lucene Java's mailing lists, with forwards put into place.
- add a mailing list page to Lucene Java's website, modelled after
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Lucene. This should replace
the link in the sidebar to Jakarta's mailing list page.
The mailing lists should probably be renamed:
java-user@lucene.apache.org
java-dev@lucene.apache.org
java-commits@lucene.apache.org
Does that sound right to folks?
Doug
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Your download page is already separate, you're using the global closer.cgi file.
Hen
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:52:56 -0500, Erik Hatcher
<er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
> I'm gun shy for forging ahead without community consensus based on me
> pushing too fast earlier. I'm +1 on forging ahead with all of what
> Henri brings up.
>
> Doug? Others?
>
> As Henri mentions, we need a mail and download page added to the Lucene
> website since this will be removed from the Jakarta side of things.
> Look at ant.apache.org for an example. Volunteers to do this?
>
> Erik
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> > Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene to
> > TLP there?
> >
> > Mainly this would involve:
> >
> > Addition of news item concerning promotion
> > Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> > Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> > Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> > Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> > Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> > Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
> > Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
> > Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
> > lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
> >
> > When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
> >
> > Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
> >
> > Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're planning
> > are:
> >
> > Separate mail page
> > Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
> > Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
> > Remove 'Bugs' link
> > Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
> >
> > Hen
> >
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Either should work.
The SVN version does maintain the site.vsl and the lib/ that some of
the other Jakarta sites use (though the Jakarta site itself no longer
uses them).
I just happily built the Regexp site using the SVN versions.
There are a handful of sites out there dependent on the site.vsl
(James, Tomcat, BCEL, BSF, Regexp). While it's a shame to duplicate
the functionality across modules; we're also increasingly decoupled
from each other and the dependency on the jakarta site module becomes
a restriction.
James have forked their site.vsl off for a different l&f. I switched
the jakarta site to XSL to avoid the need for dependency jars
(slightly bit me in the arse under 1.4, but in 1.5 it's very nice).
Hen
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:17:38 -0800 (PST), Otis Gospodnetic
<ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I recall somebody mentioning jakarta-site2 being locked... and moved to
> SVN, if I recall correctly. Should I be checking out
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/site/ and using that to
> generate the new Lucene site docs, or the old CVS version of
> jakarta-site2?
>
> Thanks,
> Otis
>
>
> --- Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to help. So are we still in jakarta-site2 land, Toto?
> >
> > Otis
> >
> > --- Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm gun shy for forging ahead without community consensus based on
> > me
> > >
> > > pushing too fast earlier. I'm +1 on forging ahead with all of what
> >
> > > Henri brings up.
> > >
> > > Doug? Others?
> > >
> > > As Henri mentions, we need a mail and download page added to the
> > > Lucene
> > > website since this will be removed from the Jakarta side of things.
> >
> > > Look at ant.apache.org for an example. Volunteers to do this?
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene
> > > to
> > > > TLP there?
> > > >
> > > > Mainly this would involve:
> > > >
> > > > Addition of news item concerning promotion
> > > > Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> > > > Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> > > > Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> > > > Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> > > > Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> > > > Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
> > > > Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
> > > > Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
> > > > lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
> > > >
> > > > When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
> > > >
> > > > Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
> > > >
> > > > Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're
> > > planning
> > > > are:
> > > >
> > > > Separate mail page
> > > > Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
> > > > Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
> > > > Remove 'Bugs' link
> > > > Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
> > > >
> > > > Hen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
I recall somebody mentioning jakarta-site2 being locked... and moved to
SVN, if I recall correctly. Should I be checking out
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/site/ and using that to
generate the new Lucene site docs, or the old CVS version of
jakarta-site2?
Thanks,
Otis
--- Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd like to help. So are we still in jakarta-site2 land, Toto?
>
> Otis
>
> --- Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm gun shy for forging ahead without community consensus based on
> me
> >
> > pushing too fast earlier. I'm +1 on forging ahead with all of what
>
> > Henri brings up.
> >
> > Doug? Others?
> >
> > As Henri mentions, we need a mail and download page added to the
> > Lucene
> > website since this will be removed from the Jakarta side of things.
>
> > Look at ant.apache.org for an example. Volunteers to do this?
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
> >
> > > Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene
> > to
> > > TLP there?
> > >
> > > Mainly this would involve:
> > >
> > > Addition of news item concerning promotion
> > > Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> > > Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> > > Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> > > Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> > > Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> > > Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
> > > Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
> > > Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
> > > lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
> > >
> > > When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
> > >
> > > Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
> > >
> > > Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're
> > planning
> > > are:
> > >
> > > Separate mail page
> > > Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
> > > Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
> > > Remove 'Bugs' link
> > > Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
> > >
> > > Hen
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Otis Gospodnetic <ot...@yahoo.com>.
I'd like to help. So are we still in jakarta-site2 land, Toto?
Otis
--- Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com> wrote:
> I'm gun shy for forging ahead without community consensus based on me
>
> pushing too fast earlier. I'm +1 on forging ahead with all of what
> Henri brings up.
>
> Doug? Others?
>
> As Henri mentions, we need a mail and download page added to the
> Lucene
> website since this will be removed from the Jakarta side of things.
> Look at ant.apache.org for an example. Volunteers to do this?
>
> Erik
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> > Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene
> to
> > TLP there?
> >
> > Mainly this would involve:
> >
> > Addition of news item concerning promotion
> > Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> > Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> > Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> > Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> > Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> > Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
> > Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
> > Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
> > lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
> >
> > When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
> >
> > Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
> >
> > Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're
> planning
> > are:
> >
> > Separate mail page
> > Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
> > Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
> > Remove 'Bugs' link
> > Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
> >
> > Hen
> >
> >
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
I'm gun shy for forging ahead without community consensus based on me
pushing too fast earlier. I'm +1 on forging ahead with all of what
Henri brings up.
Doug? Others?
As Henri mentions, we need a mail and download page added to the Lucene
website since this will be removed from the Jakarta side of things.
Look at ant.apache.org for an example. Volunteers to do this?
Erik
On Feb 27, 2005, at 1:37 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
> Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene to
> TLP there?
>
> Mainly this would involve:
>
> Addition of news item concerning promotion
> Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
> Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
> Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
> lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
>
> When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
>
> Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
>
> Obvious other changes to the Lucene site that I assume you're planning
> are:
>
> Separate mail page
> Change Jakarta logo in top left to Apache
> Remove paragraph concerning Jakarta on front page
> Remove 'Bugs' link
> Change welcome to say Apache where it says Apache Jakarta.
>
> Hen
>
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org>.
Erik Hatcher wrote:
> When Doug is cool with re-enabling the redirect, it's fine with me.
I'm cool with it if it works. Why not re-enable it, search for
"site:apache.org lucene" on Google, Yahoo! and MSN, and click on the
first few links. If these work, then I'm okay with the redirect.
As we change stuff like this, we should try to change things only once,
rather than a temporary change that might not be appropriate long-term.
This is especially the case with things like URLs & email addresses,
that get saved in mail archives, web indexes, etc. The fewer times we
change them the less we'll break things. Thankfully "jakarta" never
made it into a package name!
Doug
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Erik Hatcher <er...@ehatchersolutions.com>.
On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Doug Cutting wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>>> Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to
>>> lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
>> I noticed there's a commented out redirect in the .htaccess, so after
>> adding my own I deleted it again and left the redirect off for the
>> moment. Unsure if there's a reason the commented out bit is there and
>> lucene.apache.org/java and jakarta.apache.org/lucene look to be clones
>> currently (barring the extra news item at lucene.apache.org).
>
> When the redirect was first put into place there were some broken
> links at lucene.apache.org/java, so the redirect be removed until the
> links were fixed. I think the links were fixed but the redirect was
> never restored.
I put in the original redirect and later commented it out.
There was also an issue with DNS of lucene.apache.org, which has been
cleared up. If there are still issues with the lucene.apache.org/java
site, let me know and I'll try to fix it, but it should be mostly fine.
When Doug is cool with re-enabling the redirect, it's fine with me.
Erik
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Doug Cutting <cu...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>>Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
>
> I noticed there's a commented out redirect in the .htaccess, so after
> adding my own I deleted it again and left the redirect off for the
> moment. Unsure if there's a reason the commented out bit is there and
> lucene.apache.org/java and jakarta.apache.org/lucene look to be clones
> currently (barring the extra news item at lucene.apache.org).
When the redirect was first put into place there were some broken links
at lucene.apache.org/java, so the redirect be removed until the links
were fixed. I think the links were fixed but the redirect was never
restored.
Doug
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Re: updating jakarta site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:37:38 -0500, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would anyone mind me changing jakarta.apache.org to switch Lucene to TLP there?
>
> Mainly this would involve:
>
> Addition of news item concerning promotion
> Movement of Lucene from Subprojects to Ex-Jakarta
> Movement of Lucene on java@apache page
> Removal of Lucene from front-page table (main content)
> Removal of Lucene from CVS/SVN page
> Removal of Lucene from Download pages
> Removal of Lucene from FAQ page (amongst other cleanup)
All of the above are done.
> Modification of http://wiki.apache.org/general/FrontPage
I changed the structure, but not the actual wiki link. Unsure if
Lucene has a new wiki yet, or if it's migration is on the todo list.
> Redirect of jakarta.apache.org/lucene to lucene.apache.org/java/docs/index.html
I noticed there's a commented out redirect in the .htaccess, so after
adding my own I deleted it again and left the redirect off for the
moment. Unsure if there's a reason the commented out bit is there and
lucene.apache.org/java and jakarta.apache.org/lucene look to be clones
currently (barring the extra news item at lucene.apache.org).
Whenever the redirect gets put in place, need to remember to rm -r the
jakarta/lucene dir.
> When you have a separate mail page, we can then:
>
> Strike-through of Lucene from mail-index
Will keep an eye out for when you have your own one of these.
Hen
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