locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> rgardler_apache@saafe.org wrote:
> 
>> I don't know, vou will have to tell us as we have not yet thought about
>> this. To get some background on the locationmap see
>> http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/locationmap.html
>>
>> You can see a loctionmap in action if you seed a fresh site with the
>> current SVN head.
>>
>> There are two phases to this part of the eclipse plugin, the loctionmap
>> eclipse view (not to be confused with a forrest view - we need to think
>> about these names) and the repository browser. I#m not proposing we do 
>> the
>> repository browser now, only the locationmap eclipse view.
>>
>> Let us know what you think will be the best way to implement it.

...

> Well, I am thinking that it can use the same kind of tree view as the 
> site.xml editor.  Then I can add a wizard to add the match and location 
> elements.

Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
really a tree structure like site or tabs.

Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>>
>> That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
>> advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
>> that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors 
>> for free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml 
>> and tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.
>>
>> I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
>> can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on 
>> the current editors.
>>
>> Ross
>>
> I got a reply on the dev mailing list and they say that they are waiting 
> for the next version of the WTP milestones to come out which should be 
> on Friday (29th).

Cool, we'll wait till then in the meantime we may as well move on to the 
next requirement. (by the way, things are progressing very well, this is 
great work and it is great to see you becoming involved in the community 
more)

> They were also intersted in the plugin as they were saying that the may 
> consider having sub-projects in Lepido for Cocoon-related projects. I 
> was not quite sure how to reply to that.

I'm part of the "interested parties" listed in the original proposal for 
the Lepdio project (as a result of the Burrokeet project which is 
Eclipse based). I met with Sylvain (from Lepdio) at ApacheCon I'll jump 
in on the thread on the Lepido list.

My current thinking is that the plugin should stay here, but link with 
Lepido. We can revisit when Forrest and the plugin is stable, unless 
Lepido come up with a good reason to do otherwise.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

>
> That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
> advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
> that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors 
> for free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml 
> and tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.
>
> I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
> can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on 
> the current editors.
>
> Ross
>
I got a reply on the dev mailing list and they say that they are waiting 
for the next version of the WTP milestones to come out which should be 
on Friday (29th).

They were also intersted in the plugin as they were saying that the may 
consider having sub-projects in Lepido for Cocoon-related projects. I 
was not quite sure how to reply to that.

Anil.

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:

>> Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is 
>> pretty simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. 
>> However, I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a 
>> cool little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap 
>> files. The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is 
>> coded in Java.
> 
> 
> Should go ahead with exploring a Form editor for the locationmap or wait 
> until we get word from Lepido about their release ?

That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors for 
free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml and 
tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.

I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on the 
current editors.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

> I looked at an early version of it (pre 3.1). I talked to Sylvain at 
> Apachecon, he is expecting to make a release very soon.
>
> Both the plugins you mention are from the Web Tools Project. I think 
> that Lepido is currently being updated to work with the latest WTP 
> milestone release. Perhaps there is a change in the packaging?

I am currently using 1.0 M4 so I will try upgrading to a new version.

>
> Perhaps a mail to the dev list asking when a release is planned will 
> help us plan the way forward.

I already sent a mail to dev list.

>
> Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is 
> pretty simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. 
> However, I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a 
> cool little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap 
> files. The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is 
> coded in Java.

Should go ahead with exploring a Form editor for the locationmap or wait 
until we get word from Lepido about their release ?

Anil.

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>>
>> Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
>> really a tree structure like site or tabs.
>>
>> Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
>> http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
>> like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>
> Have you looked at the Lepido project. I am curretnly trying to get it 
> to work but I seem to be missing some plugins org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui and 
> org.eclipse.wst.xml.ui

I looked at an early version of it (pre 3.1). I talked to Sylvain at 
Apachecon, he is expecting to make a release very soon.

Both the plugins you mention are from the Web Tools Project. I think 
that Lepido is currently being updated to work with the latest WTP 
milestone release. Perhaps there is a change in the packaging?

Perhaps a mail to the dev list asking when a release is planned will 
help us plan the way forward.

> Perhaps not a tree view but maybe a form editor like the one used for 
> Eclipse's plugin.xml files. The locationmap does not seem to be a very 
> complex structure so perhaps something like that would work.

Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is pretty 
simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. However, 
I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a cool 
little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap files. 
The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is coded in Java.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

>
> Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
> really a tree structure like site or tabs.
>
> Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
> http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
> like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.
>
> Ross
>
>
Have you looked at the Lepido project. I am curretnly trying to get it 
to work but I seem to be missing some plugins org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui and 
org.eclipse.wst.xml.ui

Perhaps not a tree view but maybe a form editor like the one used for 
Eclipse's plugin.xml files. The locationmap does not seem to be a very 
complex structure so perhaps something like that would work.

Anil.