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[VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics tool.
To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going to add
Google Analytics.
Please vote for this suggestion:
For the time being, we suggest
1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC members
and adding Google Analytics in Website
2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in http://echarts.apache.org
2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC members.
(Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data if
you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the Chinese
Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether Google
Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to some
Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick only to
Google Analytics or both.
[1] http://tongji.baidu.com
Wenli Zhang
Re: [VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
Posted by Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com>.
Kevin's right. We are mainly considering the accessing speed when moving
the Chinese version to Apache server. Otherwise, we would be more than
willing to do the job.
So could we do the redirecting thing after we have solved the server
problem?
BTW, I'm going on a vacation from 21st to 29th April. Slow email response
is expected.
Zhang Wenli
http://zhangwenli.com
Kevin A. McGrail <km...@apache.org> 于2019年4月19日周五 上午7:56写道：
> The big issue here is fixing the speed with which the current site loads
> for Chinese users. Infra is against the vm in China based on the jira
> ticiet I opened but is investigating other ideas like cdn models. Please
> email Greg Stein directly for more information per the ticket.
>
> As for Tongij vs GA, I don't see the difference. I would stay with BT and
> create a policy about what you are tracking and why as well as get everyone
> access to it.
>
> We all know the gfw will block a lot of Google stuff.
>
> I really like that you are discuss this and on list to try and figure stuff
> out.
>
> Regards, KAM
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 13:34 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > There are several issues here. Publishing analytics on the website is a
> > good idea. Having an account that is accessible to the PPMC is correct.
> >
> > Moving the domain for the Chinese language site from echarts.baidu.com
> to
> > www.echartsjs.com doesn’t solve the requirement to be on an apache.org
> > website. Who controls the echartsjs.com domain?
> >
> > Apache projects must have their websites on the apache.org domain. There
> > are only a few exceptions that have been allowed for large well known
> > projects that came to apache with a large user base. Examples are
> > OpenOffice.org and groovy-lang.org. ECharts does not qualify. Managing
> > separate domains is expensive for Apache Infrastructure and with 250
> > projects and podlings we can’t make many exceptions.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 18, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Have we considered publishing the analytics data publicly? Could be
> real
> > > time or monthly or quarterly. It could also be helpful for the
> community
> > to
> > > learn about the projects traction.
> > >
> > > As for echartsjs.com as the chinese redirect website, I think it is
> > worth
> > > considering whether that may skew the perception that this is
> primarily a
> > > chinese open source project rather than a global open source project.
> > Just
> > > some thoughts that came to mind.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:50 AM SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The analytics and statistics of the website are only be used by
> ECharts
> > >> maintainers to check:
> > >> "whether our work makes sense." or even "whether the whole project
> makes
> > >> sense."
> > >>
> > >> The statistics from the website have been playing a core role in the
> > >> development
> > >> of the ECharts project in the past years.
> > >> There are few approaches to know whether many users are still using
> > >> ECharts, choosing ECharts,
> > >> and how to use it, and which charts/components/features are used
> > frequently
> > >> and which are rarely used.
> > >> So the website analysis guides the maintainers to make better
> decisions
> > >> about out further work,
> > >> do not based on the imagination but based on some information from the
> > real
> > >> world.
> > >> Without them, we, the maintainers, will become more and more blind,
> > which
> > >> is very harmful to the ECharts project.
> > >>
> > >> So
> > >> + 1 (binding)
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> Su Shuang (100pah)
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 23:06, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics
> tool.
> > >>> To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going
> to
> > >> add
> > >>> Google Analytics.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please vote for this suggestion:
> > >>> For the time being, we suggest
> > >>> 1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
> > >>> 1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
> > >>> 1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
> > >>> 1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
> > >>> 1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
> > >>> 1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC
> > members
> > >>> and adding Google Analytics in Website
> > >>> 2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
> > >>> 2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in
> > >> http://echarts.apache.org
> > >>> 2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
> > >>> 2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
> > >>> 2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC
> > members.
> > >>> (Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data
> > if
> > >>> you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
> > >>>
> > >>> When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the
> Chinese
> > >>> Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
> > >>> http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
> > >>> By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether
> > >> Google
> > >>> Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to
> some
> > >>> Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick
> only
> > to
> > >>> Google Analytics or both.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] http://tongji.baidu.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Wenli Zhang
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
The big issue here is fixing the speed with which the current site loads
for Chinese users. Infra is against the vm in China based on the jira
ticiet I opened but is investigating other ideas like cdn models. Please
email Greg Stein directly for more information per the ticket.
As for Tongij vs GA, I don't see the difference. I would stay with BT and
create a policy about what you are tracking and why as well as get everyone
access to it.
We all know the gfw will block a lot of Google stuff.
I really like that you are discuss this and on list to try and figure stuff
out.
Regards, KAM
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 13:34 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> There are several issues here. Publishing analytics on the website is a
> good idea. Having an account that is accessible to the PPMC is correct.
>
> Moving the domain for the Chinese language site from echarts.baidu.com to
> www.echartsjs.com doesn’t solve the requirement to be on an apache.org
> website. Who controls the echartsjs.com domain?
>
> Apache projects must have their websites on the apache.org domain. There
> are only a few exceptions that have been allowed for large well known
> projects that came to apache with a large user base. Examples are
> OpenOffice.org and groovy-lang.org. ECharts does not qualify. Managing
> separate domains is expensive for Apache Infrastructure and with 250
> projects and podlings we can’t make many exceptions.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > Have we considered publishing the analytics data publicly? Could be real
> > time or monthly or quarterly. It could also be helpful for the community
> to
> > learn about the projects traction.
> >
> > As for echartsjs.com as the chinese redirect website, I think it is
> worth
> > considering whether that may skew the perception that this is primarily a
> > chinese open source project rather than a global open source project.
> Just
> > some thoughts that came to mind.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:50 AM SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The analytics and statistics of the website are only be used by ECharts
> >> maintainers to check:
> >> "whether our work makes sense." or even "whether the whole project makes
> >> sense."
> >>
> >> The statistics from the website have been playing a core role in the
> >> development
> >> of the ECharts project in the past years.
> >> There are few approaches to know whether many users are still using
> >> ECharts, choosing ECharts,
> >> and how to use it, and which charts/components/features are used
> frequently
> >> and which are rarely used.
> >> So the website analysis guides the maintainers to make better decisions
> >> about out further work,
> >> do not based on the imagination but based on some information from the
> real
> >> world.
> >> Without them, we, the maintainers, will become more and more blind,
> which
> >> is very harmful to the ECharts project.
> >>
> >> So
> >> + 1 (binding)
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Su Shuang (100pah)
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 23:06, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics tool.
> >>> To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going to
> >> add
> >>> Google Analytics.
> >>>
> >>> Please vote for this suggestion:
> >>> For the time being, we suggest
> >>> 1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
> >>> 1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
> >>> 1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
> >>> 1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
> >>> 1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
> >>> 1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC
> members
> >>> and adding Google Analytics in Website
> >>> 2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
> >>> 2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in
> >> http://echarts.apache.org
> >>> 2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
> >>> 2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
> >>> 2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC
> members.
> >>> (Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data
> if
> >>> you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
> >>>
> >>> When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the Chinese
> >>> Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
> >>> http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
> >>> By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether
> >> Google
> >>> Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to some
> >>> Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick only
> to
> >>> Google Analytics or both.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://tongji.baidu.com
> >>>
> >>> Wenli Zhang
> >>>
> >>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@echarts.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@echarts.apache.org
>
>
Re: [VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
There are several issues here. Publishing analytics on the website is a good idea. Having an account that is accessible to the PPMC is correct.
Moving the domain for the Chinese language site from echarts.baidu.com to www.echartsjs.com doesn’t solve the requirement to be on an apache.org website. Who controls the echartsjs.com domain?
Apache projects must have their websites on the apache.org domain. There are only a few exceptions that have been allowed for large well known projects that came to apache with a large user base. Examples are OpenOffice.org and groovy-lang.org. ECharts does not qualify. Managing separate domains is expensive for Apache Infrastructure and with 250 projects and podlings we can’t make many exceptions.
Regards,
Dave
> On Apr 18, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Have we considered publishing the analytics data publicly? Could be real
> time or monthly or quarterly. It could also be helpful for the community to
> learn about the projects traction.
>
> As for echartsjs.com as the chinese redirect website, I think it is worth
> considering whether that may skew the perception that this is primarily a
> chinese open source project rather than a global open source project. Just
> some thoughts that came to mind.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:50 AM SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The analytics and statistics of the website are only be used by ECharts
>> maintainers to check:
>> "whether our work makes sense." or even "whether the whole project makes
>> sense."
>>
>> The statistics from the website have been playing a core role in the
>> development
>> of the ECharts project in the past years.
>> There are few approaches to know whether many users are still using
>> ECharts, choosing ECharts,
>> and how to use it, and which charts/components/features are used frequently
>> and which are rarely used.
>> So the website analysis guides the maintainers to make better decisions
>> about out further work,
>> do not based on the imagination but based on some information from the real
>> world.
>> Without them, we, the maintainers, will become more and more blind, which
>> is very harmful to the ECharts project.
>>
>> So
>> + 1 (binding)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Su Shuang (100pah)
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 23:06, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics tool.
>>> To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going to
>> add
>>> Google Analytics.
>>>
>>> Please vote for this suggestion:
>>> For the time being, we suggest
>>> 1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
>>> 1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
>>> 1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
>>> 1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
>>> 1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
>>> 1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC members
>>> and adding Google Analytics in Website
>>> 2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
>>> 2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in
>> http://echarts.apache.org
>>> 2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
>>> 2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
>>> 2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC members.
>>> (Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data if
>>> you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
>>>
>>> When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the Chinese
>>> Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
>>> http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
>>> By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether
>> Google
>>> Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to some
>>> Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick only to
>>> Google Analytics or both.
>>>
>>> [1] http://tongji.baidu.com
>>>
>>> Wenli Zhang
>>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
Posted by Clement Ho <cl...@gitlab.com.INVALID>.
Have we considered publishing the analytics data publicly? Could be real
time or monthly or quarterly. It could also be helpful for the community to
learn about the projects traction.
As for echartsjs.com as the chinese redirect website, I think it is worth
considering whether that may skew the perception that this is primarily a
chinese open source project rather than a global open source project. Just
some thoughts that came to mind.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:50 AM SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The analytics and statistics of the website are only be used by ECharts
> maintainers to check:
> "whether our work makes sense." or even "whether the whole project makes
> sense."
>
> The statistics from the website have been playing a core role in the
> development
> of the ECharts project in the past years.
> There are few approaches to know whether many users are still using
> ECharts, choosing ECharts,
> and how to use it, and which charts/components/features are used frequently
> and which are rarely used.
> So the website analysis guides the maintainers to make better decisions
> about out further work,
> do not based on the imagination but based on some information from the real
> world.
> Without them, we, the maintainers, will become more and more blind, which
> is very harmful to the ECharts project.
>
> So
> + 1 (binding)
>
> ------------------------------
> Su Shuang (100pah)
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 23:06, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics tool.
> > To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going to
> add
> > Google Analytics.
> >
> > Please vote for this suggestion:
> > For the time being, we suggest
> > 1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
> > 1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
> > 1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
> > 1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
> > 1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
> > 1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC members
> > and adding Google Analytics in Website
> > 2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
> > 2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in
> http://echarts.apache.org
> > 2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
> > 2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
> > 2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC members.
> > (Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data if
> > you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
> >
> > When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the Chinese
> > Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
> > http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
> > By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether
> Google
> > Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to some
> > Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick only to
> > Google Analytics or both.
> >
> > [1] http://tongji.baidu.com
> >
> > Wenli Zhang
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] ECharts Website Analytics policy
Posted by SHUANG SU <su...@gmail.com>.
The analytics and statistics of the website are only be used by ECharts
maintainers to check:
"whether our work makes sense." or even "whether the whole project makes
sense."
The statistics from the website have been playing a core role in the
development
of the ECharts project in the past years.
There are few approaches to know whether many users are still using
ECharts, choosing ECharts,
and how to use it, and which charts/components/features are used frequently
and which are rarely used.
So the website analysis guides the maintainers to make better decisions
about out further work,
do not based on the imagination but based on some information from the real
world.
Without them, we, the maintainers, will become more and more blind, which
is very harmful to the ECharts project.
So
+ 1 (binding)
------------------------------
Su Shuang (100pah)
------------------------------
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 23:06, Ovilia <ov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ECharts Website currently uses Baidu Tongji [1] as the analytics tool.
> To make the information accessible to all PMC members, we are going to add
> Google Analytics.
>
> Please vote for this suggestion:
> For the time being, we suggest
> 1.0 Making http://echarts.apache.org be the default Website
> 1.1 Linking it from GitHub project (done)
> 1.2 Linking it from the "Home" button in the navbar (done)
> 1.3 Linking it from the "En" button in Chinese Website (done)
> 1.4 Removing Baidu Tongji
> 1.5 Creating a Google account that can be accessed by all PMC members
> and adding Google Analytics in Website
> 2 Making https://www.echartsjs.com be the default Chinese Website
> 2.1 Linking it from "中文" (Chinese) button in http://echarts.apache.org
> 2.2 Redirecting https://echarts.baidu.com to it
> 2.3 Adding Google Analytics in Website
> 2.4 Creating a Baidu account that can be accessed by all PMC members.
> (Although the product is Chinese-only, you can get access to the data if
> you wish. And translation tools may offer some help.)
>
> When we have the server provided by Huawei, we wish to make the Chinese
> Website under http://echarts.apache.org, probably something like
> http://zh.echarts.apache.org.
> By that time, we will be able to come to a conclusion about whether Google
> Analytics lost some information from China (because the access to some
> Google products is limited in China), and decide whether to stick only to
> Google Analytics or both.
>
> [1] http://tongji.baidu.com
>
> Wenli Zhang
>