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Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
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The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 June 2014, 10:30:30:00 PST. The report
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sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jun 4th).
Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC, and
subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
Thanks,
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----------------------
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* Your project name
* A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the project
or necessarily of its field
* A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
graduation.
* Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware of
* How has the community developed since the last report
* How has the project developed since the last report.
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Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
I accidentally dropped devicemap-dev@ off of an email exchange with Werner.
Reposting (with Werner's permission):
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kevan,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> We're looking forward to require Gopal's approach as a PoC for a
> web-based interface to update device signatures, but it's good to hear, it
> should be possible to update "content" (in addition to executable code)
> that way, too.
>
> If "release" only refers to a graduation or 1.0 that is not the case, but
> I assume there is a "Milestone" practice somewhat similar to e.g. Eclipse
> or other communities with 0.x milestone builes. The tag of most artifacts
> got a rather unlucky "0.9.9-SNAPSHOT" initial version, Except for the data
> artifact, see below, tags for other libraries are at slightly more
> realistic values leaving room for improvement.
>
> Information in "device-data" until a web-based API is in place relies on
> OpenDDR contributions. Those don't stop, and currently the data of OpenDDR
> reached a version of 1.27. The latest sync happened with 1.26. As the
> version information contains a distinct version number, that matches the
> one by OpenDDR, thus for the time being it is also naturally to have
> matching SVN tags for the data project. Putting "0.9.9-SNAPAHOT" there
> would make little sense. At the moment the results don't even go to the
> Apache Snapshot repo, but that's another isssue I hope Bertrand can help
> resolve.
>
>
> Here the text based on the information I sent earlier, plus update on
> committers. I believe Gopal works at Adobe with Bertrand, please confirm
> with him, because Gopal isn't yet updated on the DeviceMap team page, but
> should be a committer since March 2014, maybe sooner.
>
>
> --------------------
> DeviceMap
>
> Apache DeviceMap is a data repository containing device information, images
> and other relevant information for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.
> smartphones and tablets. While the focus is initially on that data, APIs
> will
> also be created to use and manage it.
>
> DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
> 1. Does Appache support contribution throgh a Web based interface/API to
> add new device specs (similar to e.g. Eclipse Babel)
> 2. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET, PHP,...)
> 3.
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
>
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
> Presentations at conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile
> Development MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and where
> they might contribute.
>
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
> Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when relevant
> changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other libraries.
>
>
> Date of last release:
> 2014-03-24
>
> When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
> Mar 2014
> (please confirm with Bertrand)
>
> --------------------
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Werner
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I trust you must have missed the full text I sent here a bit earlier,
>>> thus here is the complete content.
>>>
>>
>> I've been reading emails and responding, as I felt was needed /
>> appropriate. If someone wants to create a board report, I'll copy it into
>> the wiki. The only consumable version of a board report was your previous
>> email, which I responded to. If you want other content. Please put it in a
>> format that you'd like relayed to the board.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And the first and most important issue rephrased. It is one thing to
>>> demonstrate such a web based interface works, the other more important one
>>> crucial to growing the community is "Can this work at Apache?"
>>> Unfortunately the mindset is very code-driven, but this is not the case
>>> here. A large majority of people contributing new device information to the
>>> "data" project are unlikely to do this via "Git Pull-requests" though that
>>> could be an improvement over XML, if we really want to
>>>
>>> Does foundation bureaucracy allow a "contributor" to provide such
>>> information just the way it works e.g. in a JIRA bug ticket (IMHO
>>> attachment to JIRA may not work properly here, I don't think Gopal's
>>> approach works like that, but I have not seen much of it yet)
>>>
>>
>> I believe the answer to this would be yes. If there is a concrete
>> proposal for this, then we can discuss and request approval (or communicate
>> intentions with the rest of the ASF) as necessary...
>>
>>
>>> The last code release happened on March 24, both to the "data" and
>>> "client" code.
>>>
>>
>> What release? OK, I now see that some tags were created. However, as far
>> as I know, there have not been any release votes or discussions. So, there
>> has not been a *release*. And the fact that we might be referring to the
>> tags as a release (and even the existence of the tags) is a sign of my poor
>> mentorship of the project.
>>
>>
>>> There is regular sync with OpenDDR and until we know the data/resource
>>> gathering can be done at DeviceMap in a consistent and approved way that
>>> helps grow the community, it is good to be backward compatible with
>>> OpenDDR. Should it be necessary to use it as "fall-back"...
>>>
>>
>> Can you explain "regular sync"?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> For the bottom parts including last time (code) committers were added,
>>> please refer to earlier Wiki or ask Bertrand.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
And one more...
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> We're looking forward to require Gopal's approach as a PoC for a
>> web-based interface to update device signatures, but it's good to hear, it
>> should be possible to update "content" (in addition to executable code)
>> that way, too.
>>
>> If "release" only refers to a graduation or 1.0 that is not the case, but
>> I assume there is a "Milestone" practice somewhat similar to e.g. Eclipse
>> or other communities with 0.x milestone builes. The tag of most artifacts
>> got a rather unlucky "0.9.9-SNAPSHOT" initial version, Except for the data
>> artifact, see below, tags for other libraries are at slightly more
>> realistic values leaving room for improvement.
>>
>
> "Release" any official distribution of the DeviceMap community. A release
> must be voted on and approved by the PMC. Development SNAPSHOT builds used
> for testing purposes, etc. are not typically a "release". MILESTONE
> releases are typically releases. I'll reiterate -- for there to be a
> release, there must be a vote. There have been no releases of DeviceMap.
>
> Good time to read about releases --
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html
>
>
>>
>> Information in "device-data" until a web-based API is in place relies on
>> OpenDDR contributions. Those don't stop, and currently the data of OpenDDR
>> reached a version of 1.27. The latest sync happened with 1.26. As the
>> version information contains a distinct version number, that matches the
>> one by OpenDDR, thus for the time being it is also naturally to have
>> matching SVN tags for the data project. Putting "0.9.9-SNAPAHOT" there
>> would make little sense. At the moment the results don't even go to the
>> Apache Snapshot repo, but that's another isssue I hope Bertrand can help
>> resolve.
>>
>>
>> Here the text based on the information I sent earlier, plus update on
>> committers. I believe Gopal works at Adobe with Bertrand, please confirm
>> with him, because Gopal isn't yet updated on the DeviceMap team page, but
>> should be a committer since March 2014, maybe sooner.
>>
>
> Gopal joined the mailing list around then. However, I've not seen any
> discussion or vote that would make hime a DeviceMap committer -- (not yet,
> anyway). I'd be happy to see him join...
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
>
> --kevan
>
>
>
Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Kevan/all,
I trust you must have missed the full text I sent here a bit earlier, thus
here is the complete content.
And the first and most important issue rephrased. It is one thing to
demonstrate such a web based interface works, the other more important one
crucial to growing the community is "Can this work at Apache?"
Unfortunately the mindset is very code-driven, but this is not the case
here. A large majority of people contributing new device information to the
"data" project are unlikely to do this via "Git Pull-requests" though that
could be an improvement over XML, if we really want to
Does foundation bureaucracy allow a "contributor" to provide such
information just the way it works e.g. in a JIRA bug ticket (IMHO
attachment to JIRA may not work properly here, I don't think Gopal's
approach works like that, but I have not seen much of it yet)
The last code release happened on March 24, both to the "data" and
"client" code. There is regular sync with OpenDDR and until we know the
data/resource gathering can be done at DeviceMap in a consistent and
approved way that helps grow the community, it is good to be backward
compatible with OpenDDR. Should it be necessary to use it as "fall-back"...
For the bottom parts including last time (code) committers were added,
please refer to earlier Wiki or ask Bertrand.
Cheers,
Werner
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
That was done earlier, but let me try accumulate it here:
--------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
the focus is initially on that data, APIs willalso be created to use
and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
Does Appache support contribution throgh a Web based interface/API to
add new device specs (similar to e.g. Eclipse Babel) 2. Improved
support for additional languages/platform (.NET, PHP,...) 3. Any
issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware
of?How has the community developed since the last report?
Presentations at conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile
Development MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and
where they might contribute.How has the project developed since the
last report?Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when
relevant changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
libraries.Date of last release: 2014-03-24When were the last
committers or PMC members elected?
The release is based on recent updates and SVN tags, it can be considered
"Milestone" or "Snapshot" release, while the project is incubating.
Please add anything that crosses your mind or other may still want to
mention, too.
I guess you know when the last committer was elected. That's been a while
ago, which is why a more "lightweight" alternative for contributing (only
device data, no executable source code) is important do explore and
implement[?]
We might share such contributions if the system is in place under
"community" if the people who do that are not seen as "committers" in
traditional sense, but it would clearly show what people do or don't.
Thanks,
Werner
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > No, it's that special (?) Wiki page for the PMC report...
>
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014 ? I'm happy to give you
> write access if you tell me your username for that wiki, and if you
> cannot create a user please explain what you did and what happened.
>
> >
> > . And Gopal who already wanted to add his (important) sentence about the
> committer interface,
> > said he couldn't do so either...
>
> The report draft can also be discussed/amended on this list and we
> then post the result.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1. Web based interface to verify and add new device specs 2. Improved support for additional languages/platform (.NET, PHP,...) 3.
>
>
These are technical issues -- not graduation issues. I would hope to see
discussion of a DeviceMap release and growing the community.
I can copy into the Wiki, once we have material.
--kevan
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
That was done earlier, but let me try accumulate it here:
--------------------DeviceMapApache DeviceMap is a data repository
containing device information, imagesand other relevant information
for all sorts of mobile devices, e.g.smartphones and tablets. While
the focus is initially on that data, APIs willalso be created to use
and manage it.DeviceMap has been incubating since 2012-01-03.Three
most important issues to address in the move towards graduation: 1.
Web based interface to verify and add new device specs 2. Improved
support for additional languages/platform (.NET, PHP,...) 3. Any
issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to beaware
of?How has the community developed since the last report?
Presentations at conferences like JavaLand raised awareness. A Mobile
Development MeetUp group in Germany is looking into the code, and
where they might contribute.How has the project developed since the
last report?Syncing device data with OpenDDR in regular intervals when
relevant changes occur. Update of the Java DDR Simple API and other
libraries.Date of last release: 2014-03-24When were the last
committers or PMC members elected?
The release is based on recent updates and SVN tags, it can be considered
"Milestone" or "Snapshot" release, while the project is incubating.
Please add anything that crosses your mind or other may still want to
mention, too.
I guess you know when the last committer was elected. That's been a while
ago, which is why a more "lightweight" alternative for contributing (only
device data, no executable source code) is important do explore and
implement[?]
We might share such contributions if the system is in place under
"community" if the people who do that are not seen as "committers" in
traditional sense, but it would clearly show what people do or don't.
Thanks,
Werner
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > No, it's that special (?) Wiki page for the PMC report...
>
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014 ? I'm happy to give you
> write access if you tell me your username for that wiki, and if you
> cannot create a user please explain what you did and what happened.
>
> >
> > . And Gopal who already wanted to add his (important) sentence about the
> committer interface,
> > said he couldn't do so either...
>
> The report draft can also be discussed/amended on this list and we
> then post the result.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, it's that special (?) Wiki page for the PMC report...
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014 ? I'm happy to give you
write access if you tell me your username for that wiki, and if you
cannot create a user please explain what you did and what happened.
>
> . And Gopal who already wanted to add his (important) sentence about the committer interface,
> said he couldn't do so either...
The report draft can also be discussed/amended on this list and we
then post the result.
-Bertrand
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
No, it's that special (?) Wiki page for the PMC report. And Gopal who
already wanted to add his (important) sentence about the committer
interface, said he couldn't do so either[?]
Werner
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ...Please update this wiki page ASAP. Nobody else can. I just tried and
> > even adding a new user failed for some reason...
>
> So you mean you cannot create a user at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator ? If yes that needs to be fixed, if
> you can reproduce please create an issue at
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA with details and post the
> reference here so that we can have a look.
>
> > ...If you can't add that before the next meeting, it looks unlikely the
> project survives much longer...
>
> It's good to see people taking care of bringing the project forward!
> I'm very busy at the moment, so the more the existing community can
> take care of the better!
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...Please update this wiki page ASAP. Nobody else can. I just tried and
> even adding a new user failed for some reason...
So you mean you cannot create a user at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator ? If yes that needs to be fixed, if
you can reproduce please create an issue at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA with details and post the
reference here so that we can have a look.
> ...If you can't add that before the next meeting, it looks unlikely the project survives much longer...
It's good to see people taking care of bringing the project forward!
I'm very busy at the moment, so the more the existing community can
take care of the better!
-Bertrand
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2014 ([ppmc])
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Bertrand,
Please update this wiki page ASAP. Nobody else can. I just tried and even
adding a new user failed for some reason.
We're already past the required date. And it has not been submitted for
DeviceMap for months. The approach for device data submission was the most
important effort (see earlier message) and regarding community, you may
mention, I did a presentation, another one scheduled in July and the
organizer of that (Mobile Developer) MeetUp also wants to look into the
project, potentially contribute if he can. So those one or two sentences
should do.
If you can't add that before the next meeting, it looks unlikely the
project survives much longer[?]
Cheers,
Werner
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Marvin <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> Dear podling,
>
> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> Incubator PMC.
> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your
> quarterly
> board report.
>
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 18 June 2014, 10:30:30:00 PST. The
> report
> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The
> Incubator PMC
> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to
> allow
> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jun 4th).
>
> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC,
> and
> subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
> should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Apache Incubator PMC
>
> Submitting your Report
> ----------------------
>
> Your report should contain the following:
>
> * Your project name
> * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the
> project
> or necessarily of its field
> * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
> graduation.
> * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> aware of
> * How has the community developed since the last report
> * How has the project developed since the last report.
>
> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2014
>
> Note: This manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this
> page is
> created from a template.
>
> Mentors
> -------
> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on the
> Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following the
> project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator
> PMC.
>
> Incubator PMC
>
>