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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> on 2010/07/12 06:55:29 UTC

Re: Website redesign

Hi,

Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
some points I want to highlight:

- The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
(or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
the message we want to giv.

- The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...

- Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
point of interest. I would like to have :

- Download
- Getting Started
- Wiki/Documentation
- Deploy
- Contribute
- News

- We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
project too or on the mailing list.

- irc access: where is it ?

Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
for reason I exposed and were ignored).

Hope this post could help to improve the new design.

- benoit

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
On 14 Jul 2010, at 04:57, J Chris Anderson wrote:

> I've been thinking about this. One thing we keep up with pretty well is the @CouchDB twitter account.
> 
> What about adding a blog written in the voice of CouchDB to http://couchdb.apache.org ?

It's cute in 140 characters. I don't think it would work for blog sized entries.

Re: Website redesign

Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
>> 
>> Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.
>> 
>> -Mikeal
>> 
> I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.
> 
> Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
> completely independent and free project ?
> 

I've been thinking about this. One thing we keep up with pretty well is the @CouchDB twitter account.

What about adding a blog written in the voice of CouchDB to http://couchdb.apache.org ?

If we strike the right balance between open and curated, it could work out well.

Chris

> People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
> devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
> blog. Why not on the project website ?
> 
> - benoit


Re: Website redesign

Posted by Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
> >
> > Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already
> doing.
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
> I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.
>
> Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
> completely independent and free project ?
>

+1

>
> People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
> devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
> blog. Why not on the project website ?
>
> - benoit
>



-- 
Filipe David Manana,
fdmanana@apache.org

"Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world.
 Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves.
 That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men."

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
>
> Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.
>
> -Mikeal
>
I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.

Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
completely independent and free project ?

People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
blog. Why not on the project website ?

- benoit

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.

Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.

-Mikeal

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> >> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> >> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> >> project too or on the mailing list.
> >>
> >
> > The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
> >
> > http://planet.couchdb.org/
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
>
> Aggregator != news . A planet is another tool.
>
>
> I was thinking to a blog about
>
> - new events : where so is speaking about couch . A wiki page doesn't heko
> - status showing new feature added + usecase,
>
> an ex could be: http://undeadly.org/
>
> - benoit
>

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
>> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
>> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
>> project too or on the mailing list.
>>
>
> The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
>
> http://planet.couchdb.org/
>
> -Mikeal
>

Aggregator != news . A planet is another tool.


I was thinking to a blog about

- new events : where so is speaking about couch . A wiki page doesn't heko
- status showing new feature added + usecase,

an ex could be: http://undeadly.org/

- benoit

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>

The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.

http://planet.couchdb.org/

-Mikeal

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>

The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.

http://planet.couchdb.org/

-Mikeal

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Nope.

On 12 Jul 2010, at 11:27, Jan Lehnardt wrote:

> Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
> is ready?
> 
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
> 
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
>> some points I want to highlight:
>> 
>> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
>> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
>> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
>> the message we want to giv.
>> 
>> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
>> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
>> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
>> 
>> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
>> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
>> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
>> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
>> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
>> point of interest. I would like to have :
>> 
>> - Download
>> - Getting Started
>> - Wiki/Documentation
>> - Deploy
>> - Contribute
>> - News
>> 
>> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
>> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
>> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
>> project too or on the mailing list.
>> 
>> - irc access: where is it ?
>> 
>> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
>> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
>> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
>> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
>> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
>> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
>> 
>> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
>> 
>> - benoit
> 


Re: Website redesign

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
is ready?

Cheers
Jan
--

On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
> some points I want to highlight:
> 
> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
> the message we want to giv.
> 
> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
> 
> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
> point of interest. I would like to have :
> 
> - Download
> - Getting Started
> - Wiki/Documentation
> - Deploy
> - Contribute
> - News
> 
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
> 
> - irc access: where is it ?
> 
> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
> 
> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
> 
> - benoit


Re: Website redesign

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.
>
> Disagree here.
>
> CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.
>

Indeed. But why a screenshot section ? Would rather prefer it as
something more integrated in the content .

- benoit

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:

> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.

Disagree here.

CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
s/seem/find

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
s/seem/find

Re: Website redesign

Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
is ready?

Cheers
Jan
--

On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
> some points I want to highlight:
> 
> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
> the message we want to giv.
> 
> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
> 
> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
> point of interest. I would like to have :
> 
> - Download
> - Getting Started
> - Wiki/Documentation
> - Deploy
> - Contribute
> - News
> 
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
> 
> - irc access: where is it ?
> 
> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
> 
> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
> 
> - benoit


Re: Website redesign

Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:

> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.

Disagree here.

CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.