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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> on 2010/07/12 06:55:29 UTC
Re: Website redesign
Hi,
Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
some points I want to highlight:
- The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
(or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
the message we want to giv.
- The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
- Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
point of interest. I would like to have :
- Download
- Getting Started
- Wiki/Documentation
- Deploy
- Contribute
- News
- We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
project too or on the mailing list.
- irc access: where is it ?
Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
for reason I exposed and were ignored).
Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
- benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
On 14 Jul 2010, at 04:57, J Chris Anderson wrote:
> I've been thinking about this. One thing we keep up with pretty well is the @CouchDB twitter account.
>
> What about adding a blog written in the voice of CouchDB to http://couchdb.apache.org ?
It's cute in 140 characters. I don't think it would work for blog sized entries.
Re: Website redesign
Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
>>
>> Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.
>>
>> -Mikeal
>>
> I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.
>
> Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
> completely independent and free project ?
>
I've been thinking about this. One thing we keep up with pretty well is the @CouchDB twitter account.
What about adding a blog written in the voice of CouchDB to http://couchdb.apache.org ?
If we strike the right balance between open and curated, it could work out well.
Chris
> People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
> devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
> blog. Why not on the project website ?
>
> - benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Filipe David Manana <fd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
> >
> > Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already
> doing.
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
> I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.
>
> Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
> completely independent and free project ?
>
+1
>
> People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
> devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
> blog. Why not on the project website ?
>
> - benoit
>
--
Filipe David Manana,
fdmanana@apache.org
"Reasonable men adapt themselves to the world.
Unreasonable men adapt the world to themselves.
That's why all progress depends on unreasonable men."
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
>
> Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.
>
> -Mikeal
>
I wouldn't suppose about what people could do before asking.
Why can't we do what some some people do on openbsd project, a
completely independent and free project ?
People already update wiki some times about event, post mails, some
devs are speaking about new features on their commercial or personnal
blog. Why not on the project website ?
- benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
That sounds like additional work someone isn't going to do.
Featuring the planet more prominently leverages stuff we're already doing.
-Mikeal
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> >> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> >> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> >> project too or on the mailing list.
> >>
> >
> > The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
> >
> > http://planet.couchdb.org/
> >
> > -Mikeal
> >
>
> Aggregator != news . A planet is another tool.
>
>
> I was thinking to a blog about
>
> - new events : where so is speaking about couch . A wiki page doesn't heko
> - status showing new feature added + usecase,
>
> an ex could be: http://undeadly.org/
>
> - benoit
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
>> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
>> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
>> project too or on the mailing list.
>>
>
> The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
>
> http://planet.couchdb.org/
>
> -Mikeal
>
Aggregator != news . A planet is another tool.
I was thinking to a blog about
- new events : where so is speaking about couch . A wiki page doesn't heko
- status showing new feature added + usecase,
an ex could be: http://undeadly.org/
- benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
http://planet.couchdb.org/
-Mikeal
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Mikeal Rogers <mi...@gmail.com>.
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
The blog on the website should just pull from CouchDB Planet.
http://planet.couchdb.org/
-Mikeal
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Nope.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 11:27, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
> is ready?
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
>> some points I want to highlight:
>>
>> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
>> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
>> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
>> the message we want to giv.
>>
>> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
>> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
>> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
>>
>> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
>> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
>> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
>> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
>> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
>> point of interest. I would like to have :
>>
>> - Download
>> - Getting Started
>> - Wiki/Documentation
>> - Deploy
>> - Contribute
>> - News
>>
>> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
>> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
>> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
>> project too or on the mailing list.
>>
>> - irc access: where is it ?
>>
>> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
>> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
>> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
>> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
>> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
>> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
>>
>> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
>>
>> - benoit
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
is ready?
Cheers
Jan
--
On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
> some points I want to highlight:
>
> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
> the message we want to giv.
>
> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
>
> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
> point of interest. I would like to have :
>
> - Download
> - Getting Started
> - Wiki/Documentation
> - Deploy
> - Contribute
> - News
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
> - irc access: where is it ?
>
> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
>
> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
>
> - benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>
> On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.
>
> Disagree here.
>
> CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.
>
Indeed. But why a screenshot section ? Would rather prefer it as
something more integrated in the content .
- benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.
Disagree here.
CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
s/seem/find
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
s/seem/find
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Anyone objects if I revert to the old layout until the new one
is ready?
Cheers
Jan
--
On 12 Jul 2010, at 06:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Looking at this new design today, and I'm really not a fan. Here are
> some points I want to highlight:
>
> - The first thing I could say is that I don't know i'm on a site
> speaking about a database before reading the text. And the font chosen
> (or the background color ?) doesn't help to read it. We shoud enhance
> the message we want to giv.
>
> - The layout doesn't give me the idea to go further in website
> exploration. I've a long overview without main points, Getting Started
> is at the bottom, no use case in the frontpage, ...
>
> - Main menu doesn't reflect what a user or a developer is looking.
> compare to the cassandra website for example. What I want as a user is
> to know how to get started, as a developer , how to contribute...
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database. The website of an
> opensource projects should give in my opinion fast entries to each
> point of interest. I would like to have :
>
> - Download
> - Getting Started
> - Wiki/Documentation
> - Deploy
> - Contribute
> - News
>
> - We should have a blog on the website. The posts on couch.io are
> nice, but for a neutral and community point of view, I would want to
> seem some news features announcement done on the opensource couchdb
> project too or on the mailing list.
>
> - irc access: where is it ?
>
> Subjective point: the current graphic design looks so old. I really
> would like something more modern, insisting on typography and such.
> Maybe we could use some tools like http://960.gs/ to build a good site
> layout. etc. Maybe we could relaunch a second graphic contest with
> votes from the community ? (I don't really like the blue version too,
> for reason I exposed and were ignored).
>
> Hope this post could help to improve the new design.
>
> - benoit
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 12 Jul 2010, at 05:55, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Screenshots are not a sale point for a database.
Disagree here.
CouchDB isn't any old database, Futon is a real winner.