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"jakarta" name - (?vote?)
This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
"Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
A non city name would be better.
.V
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
As Nicola said, any Jakarta product is entitled to apply for top-level
project status with Apache. When this happens, the project (and it's
software products) also get a host name.
Whether a product is refered to as jakarta.apache.org/$product or
$project.apache.org is essentially up to the product's community and its
committers. They are the ones who decide whether they want to be a
top-level project or a Jakarta product. This approach follows the Apache
philosphy of keeping the core decision-making with the community
surrounding a product.
-Ted.
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Vic Cekvenich wrote, On 05/08/2003 20.12:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
Jakarta is a strong brand name, and AFAIK people barely ever think about
the corresponding city.
If projects want to have their name.apache.org they can ask to become
top-level projects, as James and Avalon have done.
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Vic Cekvenich wrote, On 05/08/2003 20.12:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
Jakarta is a strong brand name, and AFAIK people barely ever think about
the corresponding city.
If projects want to have their name.apache.org they can ask to become
top-level projects, as James and Avalon have done.
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Erik Price <ep...@ptc.com>.
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
You think "Jakarta" has greater potential for misunderstanding than
"Apache"?
Erik
Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Erik Price <ep...@ptc.com>.
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
You think "Jakarta" has greater potential for misunderstanding than
"Apache"?
Erik
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Ryan Ackley <sa...@cfl.rr.com>.
I want to get HWPF out of scratchpad before I do anything else (i.e.
fileformats)
Ryan
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From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
> I don't really see how. We make java APIs and file format ports.
> fileformats.apache.org will be initially just be POI with the committers
> who have been here the longest renamed PMC members. Eventually it will
> evolve to contain more.
>
> Anyhow, nothing is set yet...more kicking around needs to be done. And I
> want to wait until some dust clears before rolling with this. One thing
is
> the 2.0 release and 3.0 getting under way...
>
> -Andy
>
> On 8/5/03 8:50 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yeah, this is related to the "reorganization" of jakarta, too.
> >
> > We are now thinking about the new (FILEFORMATS) TLP, right?
> > Then, this news will be related to our project, more or less.
> >
> > -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
> >
> > On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0400
> > (Subject: Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?))
> > "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I fail to see how that is relevant to POI, but okay.
> >>
> >> On 8/5/03 8:28 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Also,
> >>>
> >>> "Apache Geronimo" -- Apache J2EE efforts
> >>>
> >>> "Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts"
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872
> >>>
> >>> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
> >
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I don't really see how. We make java APIs and file format ports.
fileformats.apache.org will be initially just be POI with the committers
who have been here the longest renamed PMC members. Eventually it will
evolve to contain more.
Anyhow, nothing is set yet...more kicking around needs to be done. And I
want to wait until some dust clears before rolling with this. One thing is
the 2.0 release and 3.0 getting under way...
-Andy
On 8/5/03 8:50 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Yeah, this is related to the "reorganization" of jakarta, too.
>
> We are now thinking about the new (FILEFORMATS) TLP, right?
> Then, this news will be related to our project, more or less.
>
> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0400
> (Subject: Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?))
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I fail to see how that is relevant to POI, but okay.
>>
>> On 8/5/03 8:28 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Also,
>>>
>>> "Apache Geronimo" -- Apache J2EE efforts
>>>
>>> "Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts"
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872
>>>
>>> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
Yeah, this is related to the "reorganization" of jakarta, too.
We are now thinking about the new (FILEFORMATS) TLP, right?
Then, this news will be related to our project, more or less.
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:43:30 -0400
(Subject: Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?))
"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> I fail to see how that is relevant to POI, but okay.
>
> On 8/5/03 8:28 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Also,
> >
> > "Apache Geronimo" -- Apache J2EE efforts
> >
> > "Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts"
> >
> > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872
> >
> > -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I fail to see how that is relevant to POI, but okay.
On 8/5/03 8:28 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <te...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Also,
>
> "Apache Geronimo" -- Apache J2EE efforts
>
> "Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts"
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872
>
> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:33:20 -0400
> (Subject: FW: "jakarta" name - (?vote?))
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew C. Oliver
>> http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
>> Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
>>
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
>> For Java and Excel, Got POI?
>>
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: Vic Cekvenich <vi...@baseBeans.com>
>> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:12:47 -0400
>> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>> Subject: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
>>
>> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
>> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>>
>> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
>> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
>> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
>> A non city name would be better.
>>
>> .V
>>
>>
>>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
Also,
"Apache Geronimo" -- Apache J2EE efforts
"Invitation to participate in Apache J2EE efforts"
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872
-- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:33:20 -0400
(Subject: FW: "jakarta" name - (?vote?))
"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> --
> Andrew C. Oliver
> http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
> Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
> For Java and Excel, Got POI?
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Vic Cekvenich <vi...@baseBeans.com>
> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:12:47 -0400
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
>
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
>
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 02:12 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
-1
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might
> see as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
>
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
How about a request to Sun to let it be: java.apache.org? :)
Other names:
japache.apache.org
apachej.apache.org
but they're all pretty shitty.
If there can be magazines named Java, online sites called Java [JavaWorld
etc], why can't Jakarta just be called Apache's Java?
Would solve the jakarta vs tomcat vs apache brand issues.
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
>
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
How about a request to Sun to let it be: java.apache.org? :)
Other names:
japache.apache.org
apachej.apache.org
but they're all pretty shitty.
If there can be magazines named Java, online sites called Java [JavaWorld
etc], why can't Jakarta just be called Apache's Java?
Would solve the jakarta vs tomcat vs apache brand issues.
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
> as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
>
>
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by Glen Stampoultzis <gs...@iinet.net.au>.
At 04:12 AM 6/08/2003, you wrote:
>This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
>Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
>Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
>"Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
>as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
>A non city name would be better.
-1
FW: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:12:47 -0400
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
"Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might see
as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
A non city name would be better.
.V
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Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 02:12 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
> This not a topic that anyone wants to bring up:
> Should jakarta.apache.org be changed to xyz.apache.org?
>
-1
> Tomcat and Struts are better types names.
> "Jakarta" name has a a bit of political connotations, some PHB might
> see as negtaive and has had for about a year now.
> A non city name would be better.
>
> .V
>
>
>
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