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OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
or ???
We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this topic
but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
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"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Shari Smith <sh...@uneedstuff.com>.
I personally like comparison charts. However not if the information is a
lie or just marketing. I do find them useful for some information. I
personally find that one a bit long in the tooth.. simple easy to see what
will do what I need.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >
> >
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> >
> > Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> >
> > or ???
> >
> > We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
> topic
> > but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
> >
> >
>
> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
> will be obviously self-serving and biased. A user might look at it, but
> will they believe it? What we really want is a good comparison published
> by a 3rd party. That's why reviews are good.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > --
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
> >
>
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 13-04-09, at 19:57 , Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >> ]
> >> What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good
> >> reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically
> backed
> >> argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is
> >> perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why
> we
> >> believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out,
> >> taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
> >>
> >>
> > I'm not making a moral judgement. I'm a blogger after all, so
> self-serving
> > and biased is something I'm intimately familiar with ;-) I'm just saying
> > that users who care enough to want a comparison chart would probably be
> > savvy enough to know that one that we provided, no matter how well
> > intentioned, is not to be trusted.
> >
> > Look at the LibreOffice one for an example of the kinds of games that can
> > be played. They list the minutia of features that no users actually care
> > about, when that is a checkmark in their column, while ignoring the huge
> > features that MS Office has that they lack. That kind of comparison
> > doesn't really serve the user well, and I think we, as a non-profit,
> should
> > avoid that kind of spin. Of course, if you have in mind a different kind
> > of comparison, one more grounded in reality, then I'm all ears.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
>
> … thinking further on this, I suppose one thing I'd rather (or like to)
> have is not a feature (or bug) comparison but rather a chart that can show
> how and where community can intervene on their own behalf.
>
> My reading of AOO is that seldom do enterprise users (ore even
> individuals) look to such comparisons in shopping around. A user, like an
> accountant or artist or novelist or student, or etc., might look to see if
> the suite has a particular feature and buy it for that reason (or download
> it for free). But probably the majority don't do that. Enterprise purchases
> are made using different criteria.
>
> But what is really a differentiator, I'd like to believe, is the fact that
> because AOO is open source and has a welcoming community plus an active
> developer base, users can shape the suite to suit their ends.
>
> louis
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Mostly I was suggesting a chart like this because it's a quick way for
users/prospective users to ascertain functional features, that's all.
e.g. Well I'm doing X now in MS Office, can I do the same thing in AOO?
I have seen many articles like this, and a few comparison charts, but not
very comprehensive, and rather old -- OO.o 2.x etc.
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"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 13-04-09, at 19:57 , Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ]
>> What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good
>> reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed
>> argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is
>> perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why we
>> believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out,
>> taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
>>
>>
> I'm not making a moral judgement. I'm a blogger after all, so self-serving
> and biased is something I'm intimately familiar with ;-) I'm just saying
> that users who care enough to want a comparison chart would probably be
> savvy enough to know that one that we provided, no matter how well
> intentioned, is not to be trusted.
>
> Look at the LibreOffice one for an example of the kinds of games that can
> be played. They list the minutia of features that no users actually care
> about, when that is a checkmark in their column, while ignoring the huge
> features that MS Office has that they lack. That kind of comparison
> doesn't really serve the user well, and I think we, as a non-profit, should
> avoid that kind of spin. Of course, if you have in mind a different kind
> of comparison, one more grounded in reality, then I'm all ears.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
… thinking further on this, I suppose one thing I'd rather (or like to) have is not a feature (or bug) comparison but rather a chart that can show how and where community can intervene on their own behalf.
My reading of AOO is that seldom do enterprise users (ore even individuals) look to such comparisons in shopping around. A user, like an accountant or artist or novelist or student, or etc., might look to see if the suite has a particular feature and buy it for that reason (or download it for free). But probably the majority don't do that. Enterprise purchases are made using different criteria.
But what is really a differentiator, I'd like to believe, is the fact that because AOO is open source and has a welcoming community plus an active developer base, users can shape the suite to suit their ends.
louis
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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 13-04-09, at 17:20 , Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> >>>
> >>> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found
> in:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> >>>
> >>> or ???
> >>>
> >>> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
> >> topic
> >>> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
> >> will be obviously self-serving and biased. A user might look at it, but
> >> will they believe it? What we really want is a good comparison
> published
> >> by a 3rd party. That's why reviews are good.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the
> comparison
> >> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
> >> comparison is.
> >>
> >
> > If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
> > chart.
>
> What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good
> reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed
> argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is
> perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why we
> believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out,
> taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
>
>
I'm not making a moral judgement. I'm a blogger after all, so self-serving
and biased is something I'm intimately familiar with ;-) I'm just saying
that users who care enough to want a comparison chart would probably be
savvy enough to know that one that we provided, no matter how well
intentioned, is not to be trusted.
Look at the LibreOffice one for an example of the kinds of games that can
be played. They list the minutia of features that no users actually care
about, when that is a checkmark in their column, while ignoring the huge
features that MS Office has that they lack. That kind of comparison
doesn't really serve the user well, and I think we, as a non-profit, should
avoid that kind of spin. Of course, if you have in mind a different kind
of comparison, one more grounded in reality, then I'm all ears.
Regards,
-Rob
> louis
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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 13-04-09, at 17:20 , Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
>>>
>>> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
>>>
>>> or ???
>>>
>>> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
>> topic
>>> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
>> will be obviously self-serving and biased. A user might look at it, but
>> will they believe it? What we really want is a good comparison published
>> by a 3rd party. That's why reviews are good.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>
>> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the comparison
>> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
>> comparison is.
>>
>
> If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
> chart.
What's wrong with being "self-serving and biased" when we a) have good reason for being that way, i.e., empirically grounded and logically backed argument (so, in fact, it's not really biased at all, and if it is perceived as such, then it is still in our interest to make public why we believe what we believe and do what we do), and b) as Kay points out, taking the high road doesn't mean that others won't take the low.
louis
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Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >
> >
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> >
> > Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> >
> > or ???
> >
> > We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this
> topic
> > but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
> >
> >
>
> Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
> will be obviously self-serving and biased. A user might look at it, but
> will they believe it? What we really want is a good comparison published
> by a 3rd party. That's why reviews are good.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> An unbiased comparison would, of course, be ideal. I think the comparison
> chart approach is good so users can see fairly quickly what the feature
> comparison is.
>
If we think we shouldn't create one, perhaps be on the lookout for such a
chart.
>
> > --
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
> >
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
>
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
>
> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
>
> or ???
>
> We seem to have a variety of rather old documents pertaining to this topic
> but I can't easily find a single page with a comparison chart.
>
>
Any table on a vendor's website will be dismissed by most users since it
will be obviously self-serving and biased. A user might look at it, but
will they believe it? What we really want is a good comparison published
by a 3rd party. That's why reviews are good.
-Rob
> --
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM, David Gerard <dg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 April 2013 17:25, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> > Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> > or ???
>
>
> Wikipedia has:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_software
> (badly outdated)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites
>
> - which don't go into nearly as fine detail about features, but are
> hosted by an uninvolved third party.
>
>
> - d.
>
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Thanks, David. A good start.
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MzK
"Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
Re: OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office comparison chart...
Posted by David Gerard <dg...@gmail.com>.
On 9 April 2013 17:25, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I came across this chart comparing LibreOffice vs Microsoft Office...
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office
> Do we have anything similar/more recent than the information I found in:
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/
> or ???
Wikipedia has:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_software
(badly outdated)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites
- which don't go into nearly as fine detail about features, but are
hosted by an uninvolved third party.
- d.
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