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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com> on 2012/03/31 17:50:03 UTC
Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your
Product]
At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
>And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
>and who not.
Look for the header:
Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 04/01/2012 05:22 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi,
> NoOp schrieb:
...
>> The moderated messages on this list provide two 'Delivered-To:' headers:
>> Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> So until that bug is resolved (or the list software puts the moderator
>> header before the mailing list header), the Mozilla users will need to
>> go back to examining each header individually.
>
> I use Seamonkey, which is related to Thunderbird. I look for the text
> "For additional commands, e-mail" in the body. That catches moderated
> posts, because those have no footer. ( I'm not sure about it, but I
> notice it in that way.) Some others are caught too, but you need not
> examine _each_ header.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
Hi Regina,
I use SeaMonkey as well:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312
Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8
- the code is the same code Thunderbird uses.
If you are referring to the signature from the OOo user list:
> To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscribe@openoffice.org
> For additional commands send email to sympa@openoffice.org
> with Subject: help
note that that this list doesn't use the same/similar. Also, the OOo
lists were 'hit-and-miss'; some posts didn't have the sig (unsubscribed
user or not), others did. So (IMO) that was/is an unreliable filter/flag.
Example: one of my posts to a moderated email (I responded because it
had '[moderated]' in the subject:
<http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.questions/206621>
[School District - Licencing] was Re: [moderated]
There was no 'For additional commands send email' added to that post,
and I was very much subscribed. I also found that adding the following
(or similar) to any message that I cc'ed to an unsubscriber seemed to
help the poster understand that they had posted to a public mailing list:
====
Note: you have been cc'd on this response as you posted to an
OpenOffice.org mailing list. Please reply only to users <at> openoffice.org
Additional information regarding this public mailing list is available
here: http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html
====
another:
You have been cc'd on this reply as you have posted
to an open OpenOffice.org (OOo) mailng list. For further information
regarding OOo mailing lists, please see:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html
Please reply *only* to the list at users@openoffice.org
====
There were a few added variations that included how to read reponses on
the list archive, or gmane.org. I've lost my reponse template, so I
can't find added examples just now. The info was added to encourage the
unsub to reply back to the list rather than to me personally. That way
others could continue assisting if my reponse didn't work.
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi,
NoOp schrieb:
> On 03/31/2012 08:50 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>> At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
>>> and who not.
>>
>> Look for the header:
>> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> I trust this helps.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>
> Brian, there is an issue with Mozilla users (Thunderbird and SeaMonkey)
> and duplicate header filters:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322
> [Filters not working for headers that can appear more than once (except
> Received: header. if Received:, multiple headers are processed as
> expected))]
>
> The moderated messages on this list provide two 'Delivered-To:' headers:
> Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> So until that bug is resolved (or the list software puts the moderator
> header before the mailing list header), the Mozilla users will need to
> go back to examining each header individually.
I use Seamonkey, which is related to Thunderbird. I look for the text
"For additional commands, e-mail" in the body. That catches moderated
posts, because those have no footer. ( I'm not sure about it, but I
notice it in that way.) Some others are caught too, but you need not
examine _each_ header.
Kind regards
Regina
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM, NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 03/31/2012 08:50 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
> > At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
> >>And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
> >>and who not.
> >
> > Look for the header:
> > Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > I trust this helps.
> >
> > Brian Barker
>
> Brian, there is an issue with Mozilla users (Thunderbird and SeaMonkey)
> and duplicate header filters:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322
> [Filters not working for headers that can appear more than once (except
> Received: header. if Received:, multiple headers are processed as
> expected))]
>
> The moderated messages on this list provide two 'Delivered-To:' headers:
> Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> So until that bug is resolved (or the list software puts the moderator
> header before the mailing list header), the Mozilla users will need to
> go back to examining each header individually.
>
> Opera users have a similar issue: if you add the 'Delivered-To:' header,
> only the first 'Delivered-To:' (Delivered-To: mailing list
> ooo-users@incubator.apache.org) is displayed in the header view.
>
>
Gmail has a similar issue. It can only filter on the first Delivered-To
header.
> So we're back to asking each user (or at least those using Mozilla
> and/or Opera) to examine each full header to determine if the poster is
> subscribed or not.
>
> A few years ago, on the OOo list I proposed having the list software (or
> moderator) add a '[Moderated]' tag in the subject header. Pretty much
> every newsreader and email client can filter by Subject. A adding the
> '[Moderated]' tag would eliminate the need to examine (or filter)
> headers. Unfortunately, that suggested ended up in the dev/null bucket:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=6286
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=6286#c24
>
>
>
Well, we have different software now. The old infrastructure was SYMPA
mailing list server. At Apache we're using ezmlm. I'm not sure if the
capabilities include doing what you describe, but it is worth checking.
-Rob
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>.
On 31/03/12 23:21, NoOp wrote:
> On 03/31/2012 08:50 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>> At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
>>> and who not.
>>
>> Look for the header:
>> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> I trust this helps.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>
> Brian, there is an issue with Mozilla users (Thunderbird and SeaMonkey)
> and duplicate header filters:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322
> [Filters not working for headers that can appear more than once (except
> Received: header. if Received:, multiple headers are processed as
> expected))]
>
> The moderated messages on this list provide two 'Delivered-To:' headers:
> Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> So until that bug is resolved (or the list software puts the moderator
> header before the mailing list header), the Mozilla users will need to
> go back to examining each header individually.
So /that's/ why the filter didn't work. Thought it was my usual finger
trouble.
Nice idea while it lasted :-) Maybe it's time to move on from TB.
--
Mike Scott
Harlow, Essex, England
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 03/31/2012 08:50 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
>>And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
>>and who not.
>
> Look for the header:
> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
Brian, there is an issue with Mozilla users (Thunderbird and SeaMonkey)
and duplicate header filters:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322
[Filters not working for headers that can appear more than once (except
Received: header. if Received:, multiple headers are processed as
expected))]
The moderated messages on this list provide two 'Delivered-To:' headers:
Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
So until that bug is resolved (or the list software puts the moderator
header before the mailing list header), the Mozilla users will need to
go back to examining each header individually.
Opera users have a similar issue: if you add the 'Delivered-To:' header,
only the first 'Delivered-To:' (Delivered-To: mailing list
ooo-users@incubator.apache.org) is displayed in the header view.
So we're back to asking each user (or at least those using Mozilla
and/or Opera) to examine each full header to determine if the poster is
subscribed or not.
A few years ago, on the OOo list I proposed having the list software (or
moderator) add a '[Moderated]' tag in the subject header. Pretty much
every newsreader and email client can filter by Subject. A adding the
'[Moderated]' tag would eliminate the need to examine (or filter)
headers. Unfortunately, that suggested ended up in the dev/null bucket:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=6286
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=6286#c24
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Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product]
Posted by Mike Scott <mi...@scottsonline.org.uk>.
On 31/03/12 16:50, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 16:15 31/03/2012 +0100, Mike Scott wrote:
>> And I've not found a way on the new list of seeing who's subscribed,
>> and who not.
>
> Look for the header:
> Delivered-To: moderator for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> I trust this helps.
OK, thanks.
BTW I think our ideas differ on usefulness of auto-responders. I've just
penned a response for up-thread, but saved it while I think more. For
one thing, I'm wondering if it's appropriate to continue a thread on a
subject that's been bashed about N times before with no clear outcome.
--
Mike Scott
Harlow, Essex, England
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