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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Eric Wood <er...@interplas.com> on 2005/05/20 04:26:52 UTC
--lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
On Fedora Core 1, I have:
# rpm -q spamassassin
spamassassin-3.0.3-1.1.fc1.rf
# rpm -q perl
perl-5.8.3-16
Should I be concerned with the following warnings:
# spamassassin --lint
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "c"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
Net::DNS version is 0.31, but need 0.34dnsavailable-1 at
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 1230.
Does this mean I should update my perl packages in order to run the newer
spamassassin?
-eric wood
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Bookworm <qm...@bkwm.com>.
Tim Jackson wrote:
>On Fri, 20 May 2005 20:48:26 -0400
>"Eric Wood" <er...@interplas.com> wrote:
>
>[on Fedora Core 1]
>
>
>>>2. What is the easiest way to update Net::DNS to 0.34 ?
>>>
>>>
>>This was very easy:
>> perl -MCPAN -e shell [as root]
>> o conf prerequisites_policy ask
>> install Net::DNS
>> quit
>>
>>
>
>Whilst certainly a *quick* way of updating, I think it's worth
>pointing out that this is not a very *good* way of updating Perl modules
>on an RPM-based system such as Fedora, unless you particularly enjoy
>painful and unpredictable system management in future. I'd suggest
>either using an RPM- based distro and installing everything as RPMs, or
>using a non-package-based distro and installing everything from source;
>doing a mixture of both will lead to pain in the future when you have
>RPM telling you version 'X' of something is installed, but in fact
>you've manually obliterated it with version 'Y'. Especially when you're
>trying to install an RPM-based package that requires 'Y' and you then
>have to start forcing installs etc. - it just makes the whole RPM
>thing mostly pointless.
>
>A better way is to use cpan2rpm to package the CPAN module as an RPM
>for you:
>
>http://perl.arix.com/cpan2rpm/
>
>Once installed, it's as simple as "cpan2rpm Net::DNS" and bingo - you
>have a nice package.
>
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
Yes, this exact problem is why I prefer to stick with Slackware. I
administer RedHat and FreeBSD boxes, and they are both REALLY painful to
keep updated, especially since I have a number of packages I do
specialized compile options for - and need to keep updated.
I also agree with Tim - don't use straight CPAN unless that's the only
way you're going to keep those modules up to date (which is generally
what I do. Since the bulk of those modules are only used by
SpamAssassin (for me), I simply run the updates at the same time as the
SA updates). Use RPM's/packages instead.
BW
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Tim Jackson <li...@timj.co.uk>.
On Fri, 20 May 2005 20:48:26 -0400
"Eric Wood" <er...@interplas.com> wrote:
[on Fedora Core 1]
> > 2. What is the easiest way to update Net::DNS to 0.34 ?
> This was very easy:
> perl -MCPAN -e shell [as root]
> o conf prerequisites_policy ask
> install Net::DNS
> quit
Whilst certainly a *quick* way of updating, I think it's worth
pointing out that this is not a very *good* way of updating Perl modules
on an RPM-based system such as Fedora, unless you particularly enjoy
painful and unpredictable system management in future. I'd suggest
either using an RPM- based distro and installing everything as RPMs, or
using a non-package-based distro and installing everything from source;
doing a mixture of both will lead to pain in the future when you have
RPM telling you version 'X' of something is installed, but in fact
you've manually obliterated it with version 'Y'. Especially when you're
trying to install an RPM-based package that requires 'Y' and you then
have to start forcing installs etc. - it just makes the whole RPM
thing mostly pointless.
A better way is to use cpan2rpm to package the CPAN module as an RPM
for you:
http://perl.arix.com/cpan2rpm/
Once installed, it's as simple as "cpan2rpm Net::DNS" and bingo - you
have a nice package.
Tim
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Eric Wood <er...@interplas.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: <li...@zeta.net>
> >Yes. 0.34 is necessary for SpamAssassin 3.0.
>
> two questions:
>
> 1. What breaks in SA when using Net::NDS version 0.31 ?
Nothing should break. The INSTALL file states that spamassassin will
silently skip certain tests if/when a particular perl module is not
installed or not up to a required version.
> 2. What is the easiest way to update Net::DNS to 0.34 ?
This was very easy:
perl -MCPAN -e shell [as root]
o conf prerequisites_policy ask
install Net::DNS
quit
which is cool for just updating a particular perl module. I did it for the
first time yesterday on two FC1 systems. Then use a spamassassin 3.x.x. rpm
to install the main program and restart the daemon. It's documented in the
middle of the INSTALL file.
-eric wood
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by li...@zeta.net.
> > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 1230.
>>
>> Does this mean I should update my perl packages in order to run the newer
>> spamassassin?
>
>Yes. 0.34 is necessary for SpamAssassin 3.0.
two questions:
1. What breaks in SA when using Net::NDS version 0.31 ?
2. What is the easiest way to update Net::DNS to 0.34 ?
Regards,
Devin
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Theo Van Dinter <fe...@kluge.net>.
On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 12:08:05AM -0700, Justin Mason wrote:
> It might make sense to turn some of those optional-but-recommended
> dependencies into requirements, in packages for platforms where
> apt-get-style systems are available; if the user doesn't have to
> do additional work to get them, then we should get them by default.
As I was saying, that's up to the distro people to figure out. If they make
available appropriate revisions of different modules, they can update the spec
file appropriately.
We can't really guess what resources people have available.
apt-get/up2date/yum/etc may not be used. In this case, I can build RPM
for most any platform, it's a package management system, not a package
distribution system. ;)
The argument is basically: make it easier for users. Which is a good
goal, but think about this scenario: We suggest people build their own
RPMs from our source, they try and find that Net::DNS 0.34 is required,
but their (choosing details randomly) Fedora Core 1 distro only includes
0.31. Now what? We've just made their lives more difficult.
I'd rather have SA install and function, and then if people want to
enable extra functionality they jump through hoops then having them do
the hoops to use SA at all.
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Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Loren Wilton <lw...@earthlink.net>.
> There doesn't seem
> to be a way to say "if perl(Net::DNS) is installed, require version 0.34
or
> higher".
Which begins to make me wonder - why NOT require net::dns for SA, at least
as far as the install goes? Is it that huge a package? If the user isn't
going to use it, how much have they lost by being required to install it
somewhere?
Loren
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Theo Van Dinter <fe...@kluge.net>.
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:35:01PM -0400, Eric Wood wrote:
> Your correct. It's the only spamassassin-3x rpm I could find on the net at:
> http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/
I'd just build it yourself. Docs are on the wiki/download page (iirc).
> doesn't really check for specific perl modules. Maybe the spamassassin
> package maintainers might need to be informed.
Yeah, this comes up periodically. Since Net::DNS isn't required for SA
operation, it's not listed as required in the spec file. There doesn't seem
to be a way to say "if perl(Net::DNS) is installed, require version 0.34 or
higher".
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Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Eric Wood <er...@interplas.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo Van Dinter"
>If you installed the RPM as provided by a distribution, they should have
included the proper versions of the other modules as well. If they didn't,
you should let them know to update their packages.
Your correct. It's the only spamassassin-3x rpm I could find on the net at:
http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/
This guy's rpm didn't look out for the rpm dependency for a newer
perl-Net-DNS module. But...... looking at spamassassin current .spec file:
[root@exchange Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.3]# grep Req spamassassin.spec
Requires: perl-Mail-SpamAssassin = %{version}-%{release}
Requires: perl(Pod::Usage)
BuildRequires: perl >= 5.6.1 perl(Digest::SHA1)
Requires: perl-Mail-SpamAssassin = %{version}-%{release}
Requires: perl >= 5.6.1 perl(HTML::Parser) perl(Digest::SHA1)
BuildRequires: perl >= 5.6.1 perl(HTML::Parser) perl(Digest::SHA1)
doesn't really check for specific perl modules. Maybe the spamassassin
package maintainers might need to be informed.
I seem to be working fine now.
-eric wood
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Theo Van Dinter <fe...@kluge.net>.
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:38:58PM -0400, Eric Wood wrote:
> I'm not a perl guru so my natural fear is that I'm going to be trapped
> doing any endless amount of perl updates just for this one problem.
> Hopefully only this rpm is needed. Here I go....
The INSTALL doc in the tarball has a list of the required and optional modules
and what versions are necessary.
If you installed the RPM as provided by a distribution, they should have
included the proper versions of the other modules as well. If they didn't,
you should let them know to update their packages.
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Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Eric Wood <er...@interplas.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Kasky" <ed...@esson.net>
> Have you ever tried using the cpan shell to install perl modules?
>
> Try the following as root:
> perl -MCPAN -e shell
> o conf prerequisites_policy ask
> install Net::DNS
>
> I have found it much easier for perl modules.
>
> HTH
Cool. That did get rid of the dependency message from
"spamassassin --list". I see that it installed this module in:
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi/Net
and has appeared to not affect the current 5.8.1 based module package:
# rpm -V perl-Net-DNS
#
If this is all there is to it, then you're the man Ed!
Thanks,
-eric wood
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Eric Wood <er...@interplas.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo Van Dinter"
> Yes. 0.34 is necessary for SpamAssassin 3.0.
Great.
Okay, I think the specific package is:
# rpm -q perl-Net-DNS
perl-Net-DNS-0.31-3.2
I'm not a perl guru so my natural fear is that I'm going to be trapped doing
any endless amount of perl updates just for this one problem. Hopefully
only this rpm is needed. Here I go....
-eric wood
Re: --lint tells me I need 0.34 dns
Posted by Theo Van Dinter <fe...@kluge.net>.
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:26:52PM -0400, Eric Wood wrote:
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> Net::DNS version is 0.31, but need 0.34dnsavailable-1 at
> /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line 1230.
>
> Does this mean I should update my perl packages in order to run the newer
> spamassassin?
Yes. 0.34 is necessary for SpamAssassin 3.0.
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