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Posted to users@maven.apache.org by Lester Ward <lw...@tagaudit.com> on 2003/09/05 19:30:07 UTC
RE: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
> For things like "maven clean" resolving the project's
> dependencies seems like overkill.
Ditto. See my recent post ("Using Reactor") for a good example of why this
strategy is not very helpful.
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@d-haven.org>.
Laird Nelson wrote:
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
>> Right. However as long as we can merge the dependencies at the proper
>> time, we could fix the blind loading and resolving of all dependencies
>> until we really need them.
>
>
> Yes, that's my point. We're in agreement.
:)
It appears that there is a post 1.0 fix for the whole mess.
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t ime?
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
Cool.
Got a patch?
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Laird Nelson <lj...@alumni.amherst.edu> wrote on 09/09/2003 01:46:09
AM:
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
> > Right. However as long as we can merge the dependencies at the proper
> > time, we could fix the blind loading and resolving of all dependencies
> > until we really need them.
>
> Yes, that's my point. We're in agreement.
>
> Laird
>
>
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
Posted by Laird Nelson <lj...@alumni.amherst.edu>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Right. However as long as we can merge the dependencies at the proper
> time, we could fix the blind loading and resolving of all dependencies
> until we really need them.
Yes, that's my point. We're in agreement.
Laird
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@maven.org>.
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 09:33, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Laird Nelson wrote:
>
> > Andy Jefferson wrote:
> >
> >> You could take it further and think of the whole issue of dependencies
> >> and the fact that there are basically 3 'types' ... build, test, and
> >> runtime.
> >>
> > Or: each plugin has dependencies, and the java:compile one fills its
> > dependency list from the POM, the test:* one fills its dependency list
> > from some other location in the POM, etc.
>
> Right. However as long as we can merge the dependencies at the proper
> time, we could fix the blind loading and resolving of all dependencies
> until we really need them.
>
> >
> > Saying that each plugin can have a dependency but that that dependency
> > list can come from anywhere (like the POM, i.e. it doesn't need to be
> > hardcoded) allows for more flexibility in the future.
> >
> > L
>
> But can Maven be altered so that the dependency won't be resolved unless
> it is really needed?
Sure it can but for now the plan is to get what we have out as 1.0 as
soon as possible. Soon after that is done I will release the
componentized version of Maven which is the long-term future of Maven
and what the book will be based on.
> For example, why with the "clean" target do all the project dependencies
> (which don't differentiate as to use) need to be resolved?
>
>
>
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@d-haven.org>.
Laird Nelson wrote:
> Andy Jefferson wrote:
>
>> You could take it further and think of the whole issue of dependencies
>> and the fact that there are basically 3 'types' ... build, test, and
>> runtime.
>>
> Or: each plugin has dependencies, and the java:compile one fills its
> dependency list from the POM, the test:* one fills its dependency list
> from some other location in the POM, etc.
Right. However as long as we can merge the dependencies at the proper
time, we could fix the blind loading and resolving of all dependencies
until we really need them.
>
> Saying that each plugin can have a dependency but that that dependency
> list can come from anywhere (like the POM, i.e. it doesn't need to be
> hardcoded) allows for more flexibility in the future.
>
> L
But can Maven be altered so that the dependency won't be resolved unless
it is really needed?
For example, why with the "clean" target do all the project dependencies
(which don't differentiate as to use) need to be resolved?
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t ime?
Posted by di...@multitask.com.au.
That's impossible.
How can the test plugin know what test classes and other jars I need for
my code?
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Blog: http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/
Laird Nelson <lj...@alumni.amherst.edu> wrote on 06/09/2003 04:45:58
AM:
> Andy Jefferson wrote:
>
> >You could take it further and think of the whole issue of
> dependencies and the
> >fact that there are basically 3 'types' ... build, test, and runtime.
> >
> >
> Or: each plugin has dependencies, and the java:compile one fills its
> dependency list from the POM, the test:* one fills its dependency list
> from some other location in the POM, etc.
>
> Saying that each plugin can have a dependency but that that dependency
> list can come from anywhere (like the POM, i.e. it doesn't need to be
> hardcoded) allows for more flexibility in the future.
>
> L
>
>
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t
ime?
Posted by Laird Nelson <lj...@alumni.amherst.edu>.
Andy Jefferson wrote:
>You could take it further and think of the whole issue of dependencies and the
>fact that there are basically 3 'types' ... build, test, and runtime.
>
>
Or: each plugin has dependencies, and the java:compile one fills its
dependency list from the POM, the test:* one fills its dependency list
from some other location in the POM, etc.
Saying that each plugin can have a dependency but that that dependency
list can come from anywhere (like the POM, i.e. it doesn't need to be
hardcoded) allows for more flexibility in the future.
L
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Re: Is there any reason we have to resolve dependencies all the t ime?
Posted by Andy Jefferson <an...@ajsoft.net>.
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 18:30, Lester Ward wrote:
> > For things like "maven clean" resolving the project's
> > dependencies seems like overkill.
>
> Ditto. See my recent post ("Using Reactor") for a good example of why this
> strategy is not very helpful.
You could take it further and think of the whole issue of dependencies and the
fact that there are basically 3 'types' ... build, test, and runtime.
The build dependencies should only be used in the build process (e.g
java:compile)
The test dependencies should only be used in the test process (e.g test
plugin).
The runtime dependencies only used in a runtime-like plugin.
Clean doesn't come into any of those so should do just what it claims to do -
clean out working directories and files.
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Andy
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