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Mentor cleanup
Hi,
To a large extent the Incubator relies on the efforts of our mentors
to help podling communities learn the Apache Way and the various ASF
policies and practices. Usually this works pretty well, but every know
and then we see podlings that are left struggling with little or no
mentor help. An unfortunately we don't have very good mechanisms in
place for detecting and dealing with such situations.
I'd like to start fixing that by first figuring out the extent of the
problem and identifying at least the podlings worst affected by such
"mentor deficit". To do so I started going through the mentors listed
for each podling reporting this month (except ones still in their
first quarter) and tried to spot any community interactions from the
mentors over the past three months on either the public or private
project mailing lists. I classified a mentor as "active" if at least
one such interaction (including a report sign-off) was spotted, and
"inactive" otherwise. IMHO someone who doesn't show up with any
feedback or other help, not even a +1 to a draft report, over an
entire quarter isn't living up to the expectations we generally set on
project mentors.
If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
for that podling.
With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
podlings (more to come over the next few days):
Airavata
- active: Alek Slominski, Ate Douma, Chris Mattmann, Ross Gardler
- inactive: Paul Fremantle, Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ambari
- active: Owen O'Malley
- inactive: Arun C. Murthy, Chris Douglas
Amber
- active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
- inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
Jean-Frederic Clere
- listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
Clerezza
- active: Ross Gardler
- inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
- listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino
DeltaSpike
- active: David Blevins, Gerhard Petracek, Jim Jagielski, Mark
Struberg, Matt Benson, Matthias Wessendorf
Droids
- active: Richard Frovarp, Thorsten Scherler
- inactive: Paul Fremantle
Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
need to bring that up again.
Also, Amber seems to have invited Raymond Feng as a new mentor, but
the status page hasn't yet been updated to reflect this. Raymond, if
you're reading this, as a mentor you should join the IPMC to have a
binding vote on matters related to the podling. As an ASF member you
can simply let me know that you want to join the IPMC and I'll take
care of the rest.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this. I think you'll find me MIA on some others too. I will talk
> to the other mentors and see which category I wish to put myself on for
> each of these projects.
Cool, thanks!
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com>.
Jukka
Thanks for this. I think you'll find me MIA on some others too. I will talk
to the other mentors and see which category I wish to put myself on for
each of these projects.
Paul
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To a large extent the Incubator relies on the efforts of our mentors
> to help podling communities learn the Apache Way and the various ASF
> policies and practices. Usually this works pretty well, but every know
> and then we see podlings that are left struggling with little or no
> mentor help. An unfortunately we don't have very good mechanisms in
> place for detecting and dealing with such situations.
>
> I'd like to start fixing that by first figuring out the extent of the
> problem and identifying at least the podlings worst affected by such
> "mentor deficit". To do so I started going through the mentors listed
> for each podling reporting this month (except ones still in their
> first quarter) and tried to spot any community interactions from the
> mentors over the past three months on either the public or private
> project mailing lists. I classified a mentor as "active" if at least
> one such interaction (including a report sign-off) was spotted, and
> "inactive" otherwise. IMHO someone who doesn't show up with any
> feedback or other help, not even a +1 to a draft report, over an
> entire quarter isn't living up to the expectations we generally set on
> project mentors.
>
> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
> for that podling.
>
> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Airavata
> - active: Alek Slominski, Ate Douma, Chris Mattmann, Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>
> Ambari
> - active: Owen O'Malley
> - inactive: Arun C. Murthy, Chris Douglas
>
> Amber
> - active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
> - inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
> Jean-Frederic Clere
> - listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
>
> Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino
>
> DeltaSpike
> - active: David Blevins, Gerhard Petracek, Jim Jagielski, Mark
> Struberg, Matt Benson, Matthias Wessendorf
>
> Droids
> - active: Richard Frovarp, Thorsten Scherler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle
>
> Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again.
>
> Also, Amber seems to have invited Raymond Feng as a new mentor, but
> the status page hasn't yet been updated to reflect this. Raymond, if
> you're reading this, as a mentor you should join the IPMC to have a
> binding vote on matters related to the podling. As an ASF member you
> can simply let me know that you want to join the IPMC and I'll take
> care of the rest.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
This is great work Jukka (again) - thank you.
On 2 May 2012 23:47, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To a large extent the Incubator relies on the efforts of our mentors
> to help podling communities learn the Apache Way and the various ASF
> policies and practices. Usually this works pretty well, but every know
> and then we see podlings that are left struggling with little or no
> mentor help. An unfortunately we don't have very good mechanisms in
> place for detecting and dealing with such situations.
>
> I'd like to start fixing that by first figuring out the extent of the
> problem and identifying at least the podlings worst affected by such
> "mentor deficit". To do so I started going through the mentors listed
> for each podling reporting this month (except ones still in their
> first quarter) and tried to spot any community interactions from the
> mentors over the past three months on either the public or private
> project mailing lists. I classified a mentor as "active" if at least
> one such interaction (including a report sign-off) was spotted, and
> "inactive" otherwise. IMHO someone who doesn't show up with any
> feedback or other help, not even a +1 to a draft report, over an
> entire quarter isn't living up to the expectations we generally set on
> project mentors.
>
> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
> for that podling.
>
> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Airavata
> - active: Alek Slominski, Ate Douma, Chris Mattmann, Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>
> Ambari
> - active: Owen O'Malley
> - inactive: Arun C. Murthy, Chris Douglas
>
> Amber
> - active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
> - inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
> Jean-Frederic Clere
> - listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
>
> Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino
>
> DeltaSpike
> - active: David Blevins, Gerhard Petracek, Jim Jagielski, Mark
> Struberg, Matt Benson, Matthias Wessendorf
>
> Droids
> - active: Richard Frovarp, Thorsten Scherler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle
>
> Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again.
>
> Also, Amber seems to have invited Raymond Feng as a new mentor, but
> the status page hasn't yet been updated to reflect this. Raymond, if
> you're reading this, as a mentor you should join the IPMC to have a
> binding vote on matters related to the podling. As an ASF member you
> can simply let me know that you want to join the IPMC and I'll take
> care of the rest.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino...
I assume you mean podlings.xml? Gianugo indeed resigned as a Clerezza
mentor in August 2010, I have now fixed that at [1].
> ...Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again....
I would suggest getting rid of duplicate information in those status
pages - I've just added some XSLT/CSS to [1] to make it readable in a
browser (should show a simple html rendition now, tested on macosx
chrome/safari/firefox), we could just point the status pages to that.
-Bertrand
[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> >
> > I assume you mean podlings.xml?
>
> Indeed I do. Sorry for the confusion.
>
> > I would suggest getting rid of duplicate information in those status
> > pages - I've just added some XSLT/CSS to [1] to make it readable in a
> > browser (should show a simple html rendition now, tested on macosx
> > chrome/safari/firefox), we could just point the status pages to that.
>
> Sounds good to me. So we'd just drop the mentor lists from the status
> pages and maintain the information instead in podlings.xml.
This page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html
is already generated from the podlings.xml file.
It also can be directly linked, e.g.
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#stanbol
-David
> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> I assume you mean podlings.xml?
Indeed I do. Sorry for the confusion.
> Gianugo indeed resigned as a Clerezza mentor in August 2010, I have now fixed that at [1].
ACK, thanks!
> I would suggest getting rid of duplicate information in those status
> pages - I've just added some XSLT/CSS to [1] to make it readable in a
> browser (should show a simple html rendition now, tested on macosx
> chrome/safari/firefox), we could just point the status pages to that.
Sounds good to me. So we'd just drop the mentor lists from the status
pages and maintain the information instead in podlings.xml.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>...I've just added some XSLT/CSS to [1] to make it readable in a
> browser (should show a simple html rendition now, tested on macosx
> chrome/safari/firefox), we could just point the status pages to that...
And if we do that we should also add the champions in podlings.xml.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino...
I assume you mean podlings.xml? Gianugo indeed resigned as a Clerezza
mentor in August 2010, I have now fixed that at [1].
> ...Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again....
I would suggest getting rid of duplicate information in those status
pages - I've just added some XSLT/CSS to [1] to make it readable in a
browser (should show a simple html rendition now, tested on macosx
chrome/safari/firefox), we could just point the status pages to that.
-Bertrand
[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
On 05/03/2012 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Amber
> - active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
> - inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
> Jean-Frederic Clere
> - listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
I have been to of cycle for a while it should improve soon.
Amber is going a working podling so no worries for the moment.
I am also Mentor of NUvem but here Luciano is doing most of the
mentoring work.
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
I resigned as a Stanbol mentor, and Tommaso took over soon after Tommaso
became an ASF member.
So podlings.xml is wrong there.
Upayavira
On Sun, May 13, 2012, at 01:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> >> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
> >
> > Next five podlings:
>
> And the last four:
>
> Stanbol
> - active: Bertrand Delacretaz, Ross Gardler
> - active, not listed in podlings.xml: Tommaso Teofili
> - inactive: Isabel Drost, Ted Dunning
> - only in podlings.xml: Upayavira
>
> VCL
> - active: Alan Cabrera, Matt Hogstrom, Kevan Miller
>
> Wink
> - active: Davanum Srinivas, Kevan Miller
> - inactive: Steve Loughran
>
> Wookie
> - active: Ross Gardler, Ate Douma, Andrew Savory, Matt Franklin
> - inactive: Sylvain Wallez
> - only in podlings.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen, Luciano Resende
>
> Again a few inconsistencies with podlings.xml.
>
> My next step will be to send a friendly ping over the next few days to
> anyone who's listed as inactive in these lists and who didn't already
> reply here (i.e. Paul, Ant and Benson). The basic message is as
> already mentioned:
>
> >> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
> >> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
> >> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
> >> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
> >> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
> >> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
> >> for that podling.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I got a bit sidetracked, but let's pick this up again.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My next step will be to send a friendly ping over the next few days to
> anyone who's listed as inactive in these lists and who didn't already
> reply here
So I talked with everyone mentioned in May and based on that I've now
updated the Incubator records to no longer list the following as
active mentors:
Airavata: Paul Fremantle
Clerezza: Karl Pauls
DeviceMap: Sylvain Wallez
Droids: Paul Fremantle
Mesos: Brian McCallister
NPanday: Maria Odea Ching
Nuvem: Paul Fremantle
Tashi: Paul Fremantle
VXQuery: Paul Fremantle
Anyone on this list is of course free to get back into action whenever
they like!
Meanwhile, if you're involved with one of the above projects, please
make sure that the community is aware of having one less mentor to
call upon. You may also consider asking for new volunteers if needed.
While on it, I also updated our records to reflect the following
resignations that were already communicated earlier:
Amber: Brian McCallister
Openmeetings: Ross Gardler
Wookie: Sylvain Wallez
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
>> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Next five podlings:
And the last four:
Stanbol
- active: Bertrand Delacretaz, Ross Gardler
- active, not listed in podlings.xml: Tommaso Teofili
- inactive: Isabel Drost, Ted Dunning
- only in podlings.xml: Upayavira
VCL
- active: Alan Cabrera, Matt Hogstrom, Kevan Miller
Wink
- active: Davanum Srinivas, Kevan Miller
- inactive: Steve Loughran
Wookie
- active: Ross Gardler, Ate Douma, Andrew Savory, Matt Franklin
- inactive: Sylvain Wallez
- only in podlings.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen, Luciano Resende
Again a few inconsistencies with podlings.xml.
My next step will be to send a friendly ping over the next few days to
anyone who's listed as inactive in these lists and who didn't already
reply here (i.e. Paul, Ant and Benson). The basic message is as
already mentioned:
>> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
>> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
>> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
>> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
>> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
>> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
>> for that podling.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
> Lucene.NET
> - active: Stefan Bodewig
> - inactive: Benson Margulies, Gianugo Rabellino
Guilty as charged. I didn't even realize that I was a mentor until
comparatively recently, and I keep thinking that they will graduate
any minute. I'm not set up to test their releases at the moment. Can
someone with Windows coverage replace me?
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RE: Mentor cleanup
Posted by "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org>.
>I do think it is fair to ask mentors to sign into the wiki and put
>their name against 1-2 reports for projects they are monitoring.
+1
>Having said that "just ask" is exactly what Jukka has done here. Lets
>work together to make it easier for him and his eventual successor.
If mentors are actively monitoring/engaging in their podlings, the act of signing a report is a trivial amount of time compared to what has to have been a significant, though necessary, investment on Jukka's part to dig through all the mail lists.
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
On 3 May 2012 13:46, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm still watching Nuvem and reading all the emails, there hasn't been
>>> anything recently that I've felt the need to jump in.
>>
>> OK, great!
>>
>> It would be useful if you (and other mentors in a similar situation)
>> could explicitly sign off the podling reports to indicate that you're
>> paying attention and able to step in to help when needed. That would
>> make it easier to spot the difference between mentors who're silently
>> monitoring the podling and those who're too busy with other stuff.
>>
>
> Or just ask.
I don't think it is fair to expect the chair (and soon a couple of
helpful shepherds) to ask 10+ apparently absent mentors each month if
they are active.
I do think it is fair to ask mentors to sign into the wiki and put
their name against 1-2 reports for projects they are monitoring.
Having said that "just ask" is exactly what Jukka has done here. Lets
work together to make it easier for him and his eventual successor.
Ross
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not a huge fan of the current emphasis being placed on reports.
> Another avenue for finding inactive mentors could be things like
> looking at mentor participation in poddling releases. Is it better or
> worse to have mentors who don't sign their poddling wiki reports or
> don't review their releases? Even with release reviews we have some
> mentors who say they don't do release reviews, bizarre as that sounds
> i guess people have different perspectives.
Good point. There's definitely room for different approaches to
mentoring, and they can often supplement each other quite nicely.
> Mentors have different styles, some are quite hands on some aren't,
> and ideally a poddling, especially nearing graduation, should be
> largely self supporting so having no mentor interaction is not
> necessarily a problem and it may even be a positive sign.
Exactly.
My focus on community interactions on the mailing list and report
sign-offs here is just a rough proxy for mentor activity. As you
demonstrate, it's by no means infallible and I definitely don't want
to cast those aspects as some kind of a "one true approach" to
mentoring.
> Another approach you could try if you want to find inactive mentors
> could be to just send an email to general@ with the list of all the
> poddling mentors and ask are you still active and see who answers.
Yep. I actually considered doing just that, but figured that using
available data to preprocess the message should help us focus on those
cases that really do need to be looked after. I guess a few false
positives are inevitable with this approach, but that's fine as long
as we're just gathering information and have a mechanism for
correcting such mistakes.
Anyway, let's see how this works out and tweak the approach based on experience.
BR,
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Or just ask.
>
> Yes, that's fine as well.
>
> As Ross said, it's a bit easier for reviews like this one if the
> information is already out there, but that's not a big deal.
>
Thanks Jukka, thats a more amicable reply.
I'm not a huge fan of the current emphasis being placed on reports.
Another avenue for finding inactive mentors could be things like
looking at mentor participation in poddling releases. Is it better or
worse to have mentors who don't sign their poddling wiki reports or
don't review their releases? Even with release reviews we have some
mentors who say they don't do release reviews, bizarre as that sounds
i guess people have different perspectives.
Mentors have different styles, some are quite hands on some aren't,
and ideally a poddling, especially nearing graduation, should be
largely self supporting so having no mentor interaction is not
necessarily a problem and it may even be a positive sign.
Another approach you could try if you want to find inactive mentors
could be to just send an email to general@ with the list of all the
poddling mentors and ask are you still active and see who answers.
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or just ask.
Yes, that's fine as well.
As Ross said, it's a bit easier for reviews like this one if the
information is already out there, but that's not a big deal.
BR,
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm still watching Nuvem and reading all the emails, there hasn't been
>> anything recently that I've felt the need to jump in.
>
> OK, great!
>
> It would be useful if you (and other mentors in a similar situation)
> could explicitly sign off the podling reports to indicate that you're
> paying attention and able to step in to help when needed. That would
> make it easier to spot the difference between mentors who're silently
> monitoring the podling and those who're too busy with other stuff.
>
Or just ask. I usually read all the poddling reports but often don't
sign any if there's someone who has already or if i'm not totally
convinced by whats said.
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still watching Nuvem and reading all the emails, there hasn't been
> anything recently that I've felt the need to jump in.
OK, great!
It would be useful if you (and other mentors in a similar situation)
could explicitly sign off the podling reports to indicate that you're
paying attention and able to step in to help when needed. That would
make it easier to spot the difference between mentors who're silently
monitoring the podling and those who're too busy with other stuff.
BR,
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
>> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Next five podlings:
>
> Lucene.NET
> - active: Stefan Bodewig
> - inactive: Benson Margulies, Gianugo Rabellino
>
> NPanday
> - active: Dennis Lundberg
> - inactive: Maria Odea Ching, Matthias Wessendorf
> - not listed in projects.xml: Matthias Wessendorf
>
> Nuvem
> - active: Luciano Resende
> - inactive: Anthony Elder, Donald Woods, Jean-Frederic Clere, Paul Fremantle
> - not on status page: Luciano Resende
>
> PhotArk
> - active: Luciano Resende
> - inactive: Martin Cooper
>
> SIS
> - active: Chris Mattmann, Greg Reddin, Joe Schaefer, Kevan Miller
> - inactive: Ian Holsman
> - not on status page: Chris Mattmann
>
> Again some discrepancies between projects.xml and the status pages.
>
> Also, I didn't see a record of Luciano being a mentor of Nuvem, but
> he's doing all the right things there. Sounds like we just should
> update the status page.
>
I'm still watching Nuvem and reading all the emails, there hasn't been
anything recently that I've felt the need to jump in.
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
Next five podlings:
Lucene.NET
- active: Stefan Bodewig
- inactive: Benson Margulies, Gianugo Rabellino
NPanday
- active: Dennis Lundberg
- inactive: Maria Odea Ching, Matthias Wessendorf
- not listed in projects.xml: Matthias Wessendorf
Nuvem
- active: Luciano Resende
- inactive: Anthony Elder, Donald Woods, Jean-Frederic Clere, Paul Fremantle
- not on status page: Luciano Resende
PhotArk
- active: Luciano Resende
- inactive: Martin Cooper
SIS
- active: Chris Mattmann, Greg Reddin, Joe Schaefer, Kevan Miller
- inactive: Ian Holsman
- not on status page: Chris Mattmann
Again some discrepancies between projects.xml and the status pages.
Also, I didn't see a record of Luciano being a mentor of Nuvem, but
he's doing all the right things there. Sounds like we just should
update the status page.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In your series of reviews, Bloodhound never showed up. Shall I presume that
> means we're fine by your measures?
I did just the projects included in the May report for now to keep the
amount of work reasonable and to help iron out any issues with this
approach before we extend it to all mentors.
Let's go through the other projects over the next two months.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Hey Jukka,
In your series of reviews, Bloodhound never showed up. Shall I presume that
means we're fine by your measures?
Thanks,
-g
On May 2, 2012 12:48 PM, "Jukka Zitting" <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To a large extent the Incubator relies on the efforts of our mentors
> to help podling communities learn the Apache Way and the various ASF
> policies and practices. Usually this works pretty well, but every know
> and then we see podlings that are left struggling with little or no
> mentor help. An unfortunately we don't have very good mechanisms in
> place for detecting and dealing with such situations.
>
> I'd like to start fixing that by first figuring out the extent of the
> problem and identifying at least the podlings worst affected by such
> "mentor deficit". To do so I started going through the mentors listed
> for each podling reporting this month (except ones still in their
> first quarter) and tried to spot any community interactions from the
> mentors over the past three months on either the public or private
> project mailing lists. I classified a mentor as "active" if at least
> one such interaction (including a report sign-off) was spotted, and
> "inactive" otherwise. IMHO someone who doesn't show up with any
> feedback or other help, not even a +1 to a draft report, over an
> entire quarter isn't living up to the expectations we generally set on
> project mentors.
>
> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
> for that podling.
>
> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Airavata
> - active: Alek Slominski, Ate Douma, Chris Mattmann, Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>
> Ambari
> - active: Owen O'Malley
> - inactive: Arun C. Murthy, Chris Douglas
>
> Amber
> - active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
> - inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
> Jean-Frederic Clere
> - listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
>
> Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino
>
> DeltaSpike
> - active: David Blevins, Gerhard Petracek, Jim Jagielski, Mark
> Struberg, Matt Benson, Matthias Wessendorf
>
> Droids
> - active: Richard Frovarp, Thorsten Scherler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle
>
> Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again.
>
> Also, Amber seems to have invited Raymond Feng as a new mentor, but
> the status page hasn't yet been updated to reflect this. Raymond, if
> you're reading this, as a mentor you should join the IPMC to have a
> binding vote on matters related to the podling. As an ASF member you
> can simply let me know that you want to join the IPMC and I'll take
> care of the rest.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I already joined ipmc when Amber invited me (acknowledged by ipmc too).
Indeed you did, it simply looks like the relevant records
(committee-info.txt, etc.) didn't get updated. I'll fix that.
> Which status file did you refer to?
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/amber.html
BR,
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Re: Mentor cleanup
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Jukka.
I already joined ipmc when Amber invited me (acknowledged by ipmc too). Which status file did you refer to?
Thanks,
Raymond Feng
Sent from my iPhone
On May 2, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> To a large extent the Incubator relies on the efforts of our mentors
> to help podling communities learn the Apache Way and the various ASF
> policies and practices. Usually this works pretty well, but every know
> and then we see podlings that are left struggling with little or no
> mentor help. An unfortunately we don't have very good mechanisms in
> place for detecting and dealing with such situations.
>
> I'd like to start fixing that by first figuring out the extent of the
> problem and identifying at least the podlings worst affected by such
> "mentor deficit". To do so I started going through the mentors listed
> for each podling reporting this month (except ones still in their
> first quarter) and tried to spot any community interactions from the
> mentors over the past three months on either the public or private
> project mailing lists. I classified a mentor as "active" if at least
> one such interaction (including a report sign-off) was spotted, and
> "inactive" otherwise. IMHO someone who doesn't show up with any
> feedback or other help, not even a +1 to a draft report, over an
> entire quarter isn't living up to the expectations we generally set on
> project mentors.
>
> If your name shows up as an "inactive" mentor below, that may be a) a
> mistake on my part, b) temporary absence for whatever reason, c) a
> call to action, or d) a reason to consider resigning from mentoring
> that particular podling. In case of d), such resignation should not be
> considered a failure (we're all volunteers here), but rather a
> valuable signal to the rest of the IPMC that new mentors may be needed
> for that podling.
>
> With that background, here are my results for the first batch of six
> podlings (more to come over the next few days):
>
> Airavata
> - active: Alek Slominski, Ate Douma, Chris Mattmann, Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle, Sanjiva Weerawarana
>
> Ambari
> - active: Owen O'Malley
> - inactive: Arun C. Murthy, Chris Douglas
>
> Amber
> - active, not in status file: Raymond Feng
> - inactive: Brian McCallister, David Jencks, Gianugo Rabellino,
> Jean-Frederic Clere
> - listed in projects.xml: Henning Schmiedehausen
>
> Clerezza
> - active: Ross Gardler
> - inactive: Karl Pauls, Reinhard Poetz
> - listed in projects.xml: Gianugo Rabellino
>
> DeltaSpike
> - active: David Blevins, Gerhard Petracek, Jim Jagielski, Mark
> Struberg, Matt Benson, Matthias Wessendorf
>
> Droids
> - active: Richard Frovarp, Thorsten Scherler
> - inactive: Paul Fremantle
>
> Note that for Amber and Clerezza the the projects.xml file lists a
> different set of mentors than than the status page. I assume that the
> status page is more up to date in such cases. We discussed this
> mismatch a bit in another thread some while ago, but it looks like we
> need to bring that up again.
>
> Also, Amber seems to have invited Raymond Feng as a new mentor, but
> the status page hasn't yet been updated to reflect this. Raymond, if
> you're reading this, as a mentor you should join the IPMC to have a
> binding vote on matters related to the podling. As an ASF member you
> can simply let me know that you want to join the IPMC and I'll take
> care of the rest.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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