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Posted to users@jena.apache.org by Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com> on 2013/09/25 05:28:34 UTC
Tool to build model from scratch
Hi, Jena experts:
Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow me
to try:
We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update the
model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
Thanks a lot!
- Charles
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Holger Knublauch <ho...@knublauch.com>.
TopBraid Composer [1] is an RDF/OWL editor and has a Free Edition. This
is an Eclipse-based "desktop" system with support for TDB, SDB etc.
TopBraid Enterprise Vocabulary Net [2] is a web-based editor of RDF/OWL
classes and instances (and SKOS). You can try EVN from TopBraid Composer ME.
All TopBraid products are based on Jena.
Disclaimer: I work on both tools for my employer TopQuadrant.
BTW a good place for such (rather general) questions is also
http://answers.semanticweb.com/
HTH
Holger
[1] http://www.topquadrant.com/products/TB_Composer.html
[2] http://www.topquadrant.com/solutions/ent_vocab_net.html
On 9/25/2013 23:58, Charles Li wrote:
> Hi, Ian:
>
> Thank you very much for your reply!
>
> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have to
> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still fuzzy
> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would be
> good.
>
> Thank you again!
> - Charles
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>> me
>>> to try:
>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>
>>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>> the
>>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>
>> Ian
>>
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Martynas Jusevičius <ma...@graphity.org>.
Charles,
you can try Graphity for UI building:
https://github.com/Graphity/graphity-browser
It transforms RDF/XML to (X)HTML using modular XSLT templates, and
includes default generic layout as well as specialized stylehseets for
vocabularies such as GoodRelations (which should be useful for PIM).
It uses the same approach for input interfaces and encodes RDF in
standard HTML form inputs using RDF/POST:
http://www.lsrn.org/semweb/rdfpost.html
It also functions as general-purpose Linked Data platform/framework.
Martynas
graphityhq.com
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Ian:
>
> Thank you very much for your reply!
>
> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have to
> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still fuzzy
> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would be
> good.
>
> Thank you again!
> - Charles
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>> me
>> > to try:
>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>
>> > We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>> > scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>> the
>> > model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>
>> Ian
>>
Re: Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com>.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 08:58:35 AM Charles Li wrote:
> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have to
> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still fuzzy
> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would be
> good.
What would it do that writing models in Turtle and reading them
into TDB wouldn't? That gives you a baseline.
(No, I wouldn't recommend writing RDF/XML by hand, or reading it
with human eyes.)
Chris
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so long as it's the full two thousand words."
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Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Pete Cumberland <pe...@mac.com>.
Hi Andreas,
I think I'm one of the end-users Andrea refers to :) He built my prototype application a few weeks back (thanks Andrea!)
I'm not a developer, but found Protege a great tool for experimenting. I like the fact you have everything in one place - modelling, inferencing, SPARQL and DL queries and lots useful plugins.
For individuals, I've been using a carefully formatted spreadsheet in OpenOffice to transform them into a Turtle (.ttl) file to import directly into Fuseki from the command line (using s-put) Turtle is a easy format to create this way.
It's a temporary solution, but a great way for a non-technical newbie like me to learn and experment.
Pete
On 25 Sep 2013, at 17:45, Andrea Splendiani <an...@deri.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It depends on the use case, but I would say that my main practices fall in two categories:
> - building ontologies (more or less large), not really individuals involved (I use Protege).
> - building/assembling large graphs (which may include ontologies, but these are classified first): it's a sparql thing.
> I didn't find a use case for classifying individuals yet (not saying they don't exist, just they didn't happen to me).
>
> Mixing UML with OWL is something I try to stay away as much as possible: I don't see much the utility of it, and it's full of mismatches (you can have abstract classes in OO, but what is the equivalent in OWL?). Plus I like to have relations as first class entities when modeling.
>
> best,
> Andrea
>
>
>
> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 17:30, Andreas Grünwald <a....@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hello Andrea,
>> are you concerned about handling large-scale data-models, or about the
>> insertion of individuals?
>>
>> We (at the Christian Doppler Laboratory at the Technical University of
>> Vienna) are dealing with the problem of visualizing large data models (OWL
>> ontologies). There is a tool available (UML2OWL - Fast Transformation
>> Tool<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fuml2owl%2F&ei=8w1DUsLaEorBhAePpICACA&usg=AFQjCNELQCEN00pg2nOem6-eHJqbhvC8HQ&sig2=reG3DhoATtsy5a_tYdt9GA&bvm=bv.53077864,d.ZG4>)
>> which allows users/developers to model data concepts in common UML class
>> diagrams, and then transforms the concepts into OWL2. The resulting
>> ontology is compatible with the OWLAPI, Protege, and can be loaded into
>> Jena.
>>
>> Additionally, I am currently working on Model-Driven Approach (replacable
>> Java data layer generation for Protege and Jena) , including a Web-based
>> model editor. In addition to the (data) model editor, users will be able to
>> enter some parts of the ontology (instances) via auto-generated forms.
>>
>> Would be interesting for me to hear some of your requirements. Maybe they
>> influence/improve our future work.
>>
>> Best, Andreas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Andrea Splendiani <
>> andrea.splendiani@deri.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> to sketch something (especially for end-users) lot of people is using
>>> Protege. It gives you an OWL perspective, but you don't need to push it far.
>>> It's good to start sketching something.
>>> If you go big... then directly handling triples cane be quite useful.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 14:58, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ian:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your reply!
>>>>
>>>> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
>>>> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
>>>> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
>>>> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have
>>> to
>>>> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
>>>> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still
>>> fuzzy
>>>> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
>>>> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would
>>> be
>>>> good.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again!
>>>> - Charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i.j.dickinson@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>>>>> me
>>>>>> to try:
>>>>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>>>>>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>>>>> the
>>>>>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>>>>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>>>>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>>>>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>>>>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andreas Grünwald
>> Tel.: +43 650 77 82340
>
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Andrea Splendiani <an...@deri.org>.
Hi,
It depends on the use case, but I would say that my main practices fall in two categories:
- building ontologies (more or less large), not really individuals involved (I use Protege).
- building/assembling large graphs (which may include ontologies, but these are classified first): it's a sparql thing.
I didn't find a use case for classifying individuals yet (not saying they don't exist, just they didn't happen to me).
Mixing UML with OWL is something I try to stay away as much as possible: I don't see much the utility of it, and it's full of mismatches (you can have abstract classes in OO, but what is the equivalent in OWL?). Plus I like to have relations as first class entities when modeling.
best,
Andrea
Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 17:30, Andreas Grünwald <a....@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hello Andrea,
> are you concerned about handling large-scale data-models, or about the
> insertion of individuals?
>
> We (at the Christian Doppler Laboratory at the Technical University of
> Vienna) are dealing with the problem of visualizing large data models (OWL
> ontologies). There is a tool available (UML2OWL - Fast Transformation
> Tool<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fuml2owl%2F&ei=8w1DUsLaEorBhAePpICACA&usg=AFQjCNELQCEN00pg2nOem6-eHJqbhvC8HQ&sig2=reG3DhoATtsy5a_tYdt9GA&bvm=bv.53077864,d.ZG4>)
> which allows users/developers to model data concepts in common UML class
> diagrams, and then transforms the concepts into OWL2. The resulting
> ontology is compatible with the OWLAPI, Protege, and can be loaded into
> Jena.
>
> Additionally, I am currently working on Model-Driven Approach (replacable
> Java data layer generation for Protege and Jena) , including a Web-based
> model editor. In addition to the (data) model editor, users will be able to
> enter some parts of the ontology (instances) via auto-generated forms.
>
> Would be interesting for me to hear some of your requirements. Maybe they
> influence/improve our future work.
>
> Best, Andreas
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Andrea Splendiani <
> andrea.splendiani@deri.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> to sketch something (especially for end-users) lot of people is using
>> Protege. It gives you an OWL perspective, but you don't need to push it far.
>> It's good to start sketching something.
>> If you go big... then directly handling triples cane be quite useful.
>>
>> best,
>> Andrea
>>
>> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 14:58, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi, Ian:
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your reply!
>>>
>>> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
>>> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
>>> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
>>> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have
>> to
>>> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
>>> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still
>> fuzzy
>>> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
>>> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would
>> be
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Thank you again!
>>> - Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i.j.dickinson@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>>>> me
>>>>> to try:
>>>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>>>
>>>>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>>>>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>>>> the
>>>>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>>>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>>>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>>>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>>>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Andreas Grünwald
> Tel.: +43 650 77 82340
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Andreas Grünwald <a....@gmail.com>.
Hello Andrea,
are you concerned about handling large-scale data-models, or about the
insertion of individuals?
We (at the Christian Doppler Laboratory at the Technical University of
Vienna) are dealing with the problem of visualizing large data models (OWL
ontologies). There is a tool available (UML2OWL - Fast Transformation
Tool<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fuml2owl%2F&ei=8w1DUsLaEorBhAePpICACA&usg=AFQjCNELQCEN00pg2nOem6-eHJqbhvC8HQ&sig2=reG3DhoATtsy5a_tYdt9GA&bvm=bv.53077864,d.ZG4>)
which allows users/developers to model data concepts in common UML class
diagrams, and then transforms the concepts into OWL2. The resulting
ontology is compatible with the OWLAPI, Protege, and can be loaded into
Jena.
Additionally, I am currently working on Model-Driven Approach (replacable
Java data layer generation for Protege and Jena) , including a Web-based
model editor. In addition to the (data) model editor, users will be able to
enter some parts of the ontology (instances) via auto-generated forms.
Would be interesting for me to hear some of your requirements. Maybe they
influence/improve our future work.
Best, Andreas
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Andrea Splendiani <
andrea.splendiani@deri.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> to sketch something (especially for end-users) lot of people is using
> Protege. It gives you an OWL perspective, but you don't need to push it far.
> It's good to start sketching something.
> If you go big... then directly handling triples cane be quite useful.
>
> best,
> Andrea
>
> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 14:58, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> > Hi, Ian:
> >
> > Thank you very much for your reply!
> >
> > We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
> > about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
> > build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
> > manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have
> to
> > build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
> > RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still
> fuzzy
> > on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
> > tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would
> be
> > good.
> >
> > Thank you again!
> > - Charles
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i.j.dickinson@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Charles,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
> >> me
> >>> to try:
> >> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
> >>
> >>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
> >>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
> >> the
> >>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
> >> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
> >> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
> >> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
> >> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
> >>
> >> Ian
> >>
>
>
--
Andreas Grünwald
Tel.: +43 650 77 82340
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Andrea Splendiani <an...@deri.org>.
Hi,
to sketch something (especially for end-users) lot of people is using Protege. It gives you an OWL perspective, but you don't need to push it far.
It's good to start sketching something.
If you go big... then directly handling triples cane be quite useful.
best,
Andrea
Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 14:58, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hi, Ian:
>
> Thank you very much for your reply!
>
> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have to
> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still fuzzy
> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would be
> good.
>
> Thank you again!
> - Charles
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>> me
>>> to try:
>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>
>>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>> the
>>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>
>> Ian
>>
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Ian:
Thank you very much for your reply!
We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have to
build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still fuzzy
on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would be
good.
Thank you again!
- Charles
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <i....@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
> me
> > to try:
> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>
> > We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
> > scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
> the
> > model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>
> Ian
>
Re: Tool to build model from scratch
Posted by Ian Dickinson <i....@gmail.com>.
Hi Charles,
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow me
> to try:
Yes, it's the right place! However ...
> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update the
> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
Ian