Non English Mailing Lists

["seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

I would like to clarify if Non-English Mailing lists are allowed.

Background: I missed in our Proposal the Mailing List:
http://groups.google.com/group/openmeetings-en-espanol/about?hl=en_US
We made now a Vote on our Developer List to add this mailing list and the
Moderators from the GoogleGroups List have applied to become the Moderator
of the new list. Everythings fine from my point of view.

But I've heard that using Non-English List is not allowed on Apache
Infrastructure. Is that true?
It makes me wonder as the OpenOffice project has 100++ Mailing lists in a
lot of different languages. So I guess there is no such restriction and we
can proceed right?


Thanks,
Sebastian
-- 
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: Non English Mailing Lists

[Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>]

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I've heard that using Non-English List is not allowed on Apache
> Infrastructure. Is that true?...

That's wrong (or new - where did you hear it?) - as long as a PMC
accepts overseeing such a list I think it's perfectly ok.

In the case of a podling, the PMC is the Incubator PMC, represented by
your mentors, so I'd make sure the mentors agree with the list's
creation, and document that with a vote on your dev list (which IIUC
already happened).

-Bertrand

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Re: Non English Mailing Lists

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

First of all, my apologies for not being a good mentor for your
project. Too many demands on too little time. But I'm starting to
resurface.

More comments inline...

On 14 December 2011 12:34, seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to clarify if Non-English Mailing lists are allowed.

There are no hard and fast rules about this other than the main dev
list much be in English. That is the list where most decisions about
the future of the project can occur.

We generally discourage non-english dev lists as they serve to split
the community. However, a case could be made for supporting such.

Non-english user lists are not so much of a problem if there are
sufficient users demanding them. One needs to be cautious about
creating them as, again, you are splitting the community. But for
users it can sometimes help.

> But I've heard that using Non-English List is not allowed on Apache
> Infrastructure. Is that true?

No, see above. Discouraged is the correct word.

> It makes me wonder as the OpenOffice project has 100++ Mailing lists in a
> lot of different languages. So I guess there is no such restriction and we
> can proceed right?

OpenOffice.org has 100+ non-english lists, but Apache OpenOffice has,
at this point in time, just one or two non-english user lists. They
are being created as the user community comes forwards and
demonstrates a need for them.

In the case of your Spanish list, which appears to be a user list, I
see it is quite active. Sop, personally, I don't see a problem as long
as all discussions that relate to the development of OpenMeetings
happen on the English language dev list.

Ross

>
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com



-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

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Re: Non English Mailing Lists

[Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:34 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to clarify if Non-English Mailing lists are allowed.
>
> Background: I missed in our Proposal the Mailing List:
> http://groups.google.com/group/openmeetings-en-espanol/about?hl=en_US
> We made now a Vote on our Developer List to add this mailing list and the
> Moderators from the GoogleGroups List have applied to become the Moderator
> of the new list. Everythings fine from my point of view.
>
> But I've heard that using Non-English List is not allowed on Apache
> Infrastructure. Is that true?
> It makes me wonder as the OpenOffice project has 100++ Mailing lists in a
> lot of different languages. So I guess there is no such restriction and we
> can proceed right?
>

Aside from the good advice Ross gave, I'd point out one technical
issue we did run into with the OpenOffice podling.  The issue was
related to character encoding and mailing list archives.  The issue is
here:

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52195

So depending on what language you are looking at, this may or may not
be an issue for you.

-Rob

>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

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