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Posted to dev@taverna.apache.org by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> on 2015/11/02 16:16:18 UTC
Re: What next after the release?
It is still very quiet.
Is there something temporary holding up discussions on dev@ or is this
the default state of the podling?
Nothing seems to have happened about Stian's "I believe taverna-osgi is
ready for release now" except as far as I can see, downstream jobs don't
work (I don't know if that matters or not).
Taverna next reports in the December cycle (which starts end of November).
Andy
On 13/10/15 19:19, Pierce, Marlon wrote:
> Good question. The dev list has been very quiet following the initial
> release and the GSOC wrap-ups.
>
> Marlon
>
>
> On 10/13/15, 4:20 AM, "Andy Seaborne" <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Was there a conclusion to this discussion?
>>
>> Getting more of the codebase released would seem like a good next step.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
Re: What next after the release?
Posted by Ian Dunlop <ia...@manchester.ac.uk>.
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Hello,
The list of source code repositories seem to give some clue as to what
we should do next. We appear to have the taverna-maven-parent and
taverna-language in pretty good shape. Next step would be to tackle
taverna-osgi to fix the plugin system since this seems to stop the
command line from executing, then taverna-engine and then
taverna-common-activities. Then we should be able to run workflows
which use the most common types of activities.
Cheers,
Ian
On 19/11/2015 13:43, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> Now the previous months reporting cycle has ended, the Taverna
> incubator report reminder will soon come in.
>
> You will need to write that report and so this is a prompt to
> prepare thoughts for it.
>
> This 6 months "offline" is worrying. Is this a one-off or might it
> recur?
>
> Ian's message was a great. A step to generating engagement is to
> get more released. But there was not much response to Ian's
> message.
>
> The critical challenge as I see it is the move from the previous
> mode of operation between institutions and projects, to one based
> on the community of individuals.
>
> Andy
>
- --
Ian Dunlop, eScience Lab
School of Computer Science
The University of Manchester
http://orcid.org/0000-0001-7066-3350
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Re: What next after the release?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Now the previous months reporting cycle has ended, the Taverna incubator
report reminder will soon come in.
You will need to write that report and so this is a prompt to prepare
thoughts for it.
This 6 months "offline" is worrying. Is this a one-off or might it recur?
Ian's message was a great. A step to generating engagement is to get
more released. But there was not much response to Ian's message.
The critical challenge as I see it is the move from the previous mode of
operation between institutions and projects, to one based on the
community of individuals.
Andy
Re: What next after the release?
Posted by "Pierce, Marlon" <ma...@iu.edu>.
I’ll repeat yet again my comment that you missed an opportunity to build
your developer community from the GSOC students. I suggest you revisit
this.
Marlon
On 11/3/15, 9:00 AM, "Ian Dunlop" <ia...@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
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>Hello,
>
>Totally agree here. We started a discussion on the next tasks a few
>weeks ago but never built up any momentum around it. So lets' reboot
>it. What I think is needed is a working taverna command line so that
>we can actually run workflows -
>https://github.com/apache/incubator-taverna-commandline. For starters
>the documentation talks about 'editions' which I think no longer
>applies. I have raised
>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAVERNA-873 which is really a
>general documentation issue and
>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAVERNA-874 which is mvn clean
>package failing.
>
>So we need to detail the dependencies and issues which are required to
>get the command line 'working'.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ian
>
>
>On 03/11/2015 10:50, Andy Seaborne wrote:
>> A useful step would be to sketch out what tasks are needed to make
>> progress towards a release of taverna-osgi
>
>- --
>Ian Dunlop, eScience Lab
>School of Computer Science
>The University of Manchester
>http://orcid.org/0000-0001-7066-3350
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Re: What next after the release?
Posted by Ian Dunlop <ia...@manchester.ac.uk>.
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Hello,
Totally agree here. We started a discussion on the next tasks a few
weeks ago but never built up any momentum around it. So lets' reboot
it. What I think is needed is a working taverna command line so that
we can actually run workflows -
https://github.com/apache/incubator-taverna-commandline. For starters
the documentation talks about 'editions' which I think no longer
applies. I have raised
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAVERNA-873 which is really a
general documentation issue and
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAVERNA-874 which is mvn clean
package failing.
So we need to detail the dependencies and issues which are required to
get the command line 'working'.
Cheers,
Ian
On 03/11/2015 10:50, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> A useful step would be to sketch out what tasks are needed to make
> progress towards a release of taverna-osgi
- --
Ian Dunlop, eScience Lab
School of Computer Science
The University of Manchester
http://orcid.org/0000-0001-7066-3350
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Re: What next after the release?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Hi Shoaib,
Yes - finding time can be a problem. Maybe helping other people to get
involved is the way to make progress.
A useful step would be to sketch out what tasks are needed to make
progress towards a release of taverna-osgi.
The places people can go to find out what a project is doing are the
mailing lists, JIRA etc. The IPMC needs to discuss in public.
Andy
On 02/11/15 15:40, Shoaib Sufi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The problem is there are new project coming online that Stian and Ian are
> focused on at the moment, but the good news is that come Jan/Feb one of
> those projects is really depending upon Taverna so there will be an
> increase in effort and opportunities to community build across institutions.
>
> I am not saying nothing is happening because I know Stian and others are
> working on things but this is just a lull not the default state by any
> means.
>
>
> Best
> Shoaib
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
> Date: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: What next after the release?
> To: dev@taverna.incubator.apache.org
>
>
> It is still very quiet.
>
> Is there something temporary holding up discussions on dev@ or is this the
> default state of the podling?
>
> Nothing seems to have happened about Stian's "I believe taverna-osgi is
> ready for release now" except as far as I can see, downstream jobs don't
> work (I don't know if that matters or not).
>
> Taverna next reports in the December cycle (which starts end of November).
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 13/10/15 19:19, Pierce, Marlon wrote:
>
>> Good question. The dev list has been very quiet following the initial
>> release and the GSOC wrap-ups.
>>
>> Marlon
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/15, 4:20 AM, "Andy Seaborne" <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Was there a conclusion to this discussion?
>>>
>>> Getting more of the codebase released would seem like a good next step.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: What next after the release?
Posted by Shoaib Sufi <sh...@manchester.ac.uk>.
Hi,
The problem is there are new project coming online that Stian and Ian are
focused on at the moment, but the good news is that come Jan/Feb one of
those projects is really depending upon Taverna so there will be an
increase in effort and opportunities to community build across institutions.
I am not saying nothing is happening because I know Stian and others are
working on things but this is just a lull not the default state by any
means.
Best
Shoaib
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>
Date: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: What next after the release?
To: dev@taverna.incubator.apache.org
It is still very quiet.
Is there something temporary holding up discussions on dev@ or is this the
default state of the podling?
Nothing seems to have happened about Stian's "I believe taverna-osgi is
ready for release now" except as far as I can see, downstream jobs don't
work (I don't know if that matters or not).
Taverna next reports in the December cycle (which starts end of November).
Andy
On 13/10/15 19:19, Pierce, Marlon wrote:
> Good question. The dev list has been very quiet following the initial
> release and the GSOC wrap-ups.
>
> Marlon
>
>
> On 10/13/15, 4:20 AM, "Andy Seaborne" <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Was there a conclusion to this discussion?
>>
>> Getting more of the codebase released would seem like a good next step.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>