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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com> on 2015/01/07 22:53:16 UTC
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
I think we can remove this page
Jacques
Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say that the work proposed has been done.
>
> It does provide an important information about the fundamental philosophy of OFBiz.
>
> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems to be neglected.
>
>
> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a better place.
>
> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above Open Standards for OFBiz
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
> Process Library Index <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>
> Some seems to be technical docs.
> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort some of
> this out.
>
>
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
This OFBREQDES workspace is on my radar but I'd like to review it first.
If you want to remove the links to it from the Wiki etc then that's fine
but dont remove the workspace yet.
I did get some feedback from David about it and yes it has been
neglected but I'd like to see if there some details or ideas that can be
reused in the End User Documentation.
Thanks
Sharan
On 10/01/2015 14:44, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all
> together
>
> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that
> people interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated
> workspace.
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>> I think we can remove this page
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>
>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to
>>> say that the work proposed has been done.
>>>
>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>
>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>> to be neglected.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used
>>> and perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>> better place.
>>>
>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>> Process Library Index
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>
>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical
>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>> some of this out.
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
Thanks Adrian.
On 10/01/2015 3:07 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
> Those pages are in the last category - they are interesting ideas that
> never happened but are worth keeping on-line.
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 1/10/2015 12:03 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>> If someone who knows the software could go through and delete the stuff
>> that never happened and changed the future tense to the present tense
>> for things that are part of OFBiz, we can move forward.
>>
>> If the "essential" bits would be better in another part of the wiki,
>> either move it or let us know that it should be moved and suggest some
>> possible places where it would be more helpful.
>>
>> The fundamental problem with the wiki is that it is not correct.
>> We can play with the structure and the organization but the highest
>> priority is to get rid of incorrect and misleading information.
>>
>> If there are pages that contain some interesting ideas that never
>> happened but are worth keeping on-line, we should copy them to some sort
>> of "project history" section where it is clear to new users that these
>> musings may have value but are not useful in understanding OFBiz as
>> shipped today.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> On 10/01/2015 1:20 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 10/01/2015 18:18, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>>> I don't see how that page is related to Moqui or Hemp. I remember
>>>> David trying to rally support for a set of design documents -
>>>> something OFBiz desperately needs.
>>>
>>> For instance https://github.com/jonesde/HiveMind and
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Project+Management+Concept+Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz will
>>> never exist, Moqui replaced it
>>>
>>> For other pages it's more links to Oasis and alike, I have not seen
>>> much interest around the oagis speciapurpose component!
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index
>>>
>>> is certainly the most interesting part
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they are neglected. But from my perspective, they are essential.
>>>
>>> Then why are they neglected?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum
>>>> Sandglass Software
>>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>>
>>>> On 1/10/2015 5:44 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace
>>>>> all
>>>>> together
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that
>>>>> people
>>>>> interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated
>>>>> workspace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>>>> I think we can remove this page
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>>>>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed
>>>>>>> to say
>>>>>>> that the work proposed has been done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>>>>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>>>>>> to be neglected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being
>>>>>>> used and
>>>>>>> perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>>>>>> better place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>>>>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>>>>>> Process Library Index
>>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>>>>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current
>>>>>>> technical
>>>>>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>>>>>> some of this out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@sandglass-software.com>.
Those pages are in the last category - they are interesting ideas that
never happened but are worth keeping on-line.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 1/10/2015 12:03 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
> If someone who knows the software could go through and delete the stuff
> that never happened and changed the future tense to the present tense
> for things that are part of OFBiz, we can move forward.
>
> If the "essential" bits would be better in another part of the wiki,
> either move it or let us know that it should be moved and suggest some
> possible places where it would be more helpful.
>
> The fundamental problem with the wiki is that it is not correct.
> We can play with the structure and the organization but the highest
> priority is to get rid of incorrect and misleading information.
>
> If there are pages that contain some interesting ideas that never
> happened but are worth keeping on-line, we should copy them to some sort
> of "project history" section where it is clear to new users that these
> musings may have value but are not useful in understanding OFBiz as
> shipped today.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 10/01/2015 1:20 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>> Le 10/01/2015 18:18, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>>> I don't see how that page is related to Moqui or Hemp. I remember
>>> David trying to rally support for a set of design documents -
>>> something OFBiz desperately needs.
>>
>> For instance https://github.com/jonesde/HiveMind and
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Project+Management+Concept+Design
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz will
>> never exist, Moqui replaced it
>>
>> For other pages it's more links to Oasis and alike, I have not seen
>> much interest around the oagis speciapurpose component!
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index
>> is certainly the most interesting part
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, they are neglected. But from my perspective, they are essential.
>>
>> Then why are they neglected?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Crum
>>> Sandglass Software
>>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>>
>>> On 1/10/2015 5:44 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all
>>>> together
>>>>
>>>> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that people
>>>> interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated
>>>> workspace.
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>>> I think we can remove this page
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>>>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say
>>>>>> that the work proposed has been done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>>>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>>>>> to be neglected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and
>>>>>> perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>>>>> better place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>>>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>>>>> Process Library Index
>>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>>>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical
>>>>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>>>>> some of this out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
If someone who knows the software could go through and delete the stuff
that never happened and changed the future tense to the present tense
for things that are part of OFBiz, we can move forward.
If the "essential" bits would be better in another part of the wiki,
either move it or let us know that it should be moved and suggest some
possible places where it would be more helpful.
The fundamental problem with the wiki is that it is not correct.
We can play with the structure and the organization but the highest
priority is to get rid of incorrect and misleading information.
If there are pages that contain some interesting ideas that never
happened but are worth keeping on-line, we should copy them to some sort
of "project history" section where it is clear to new users that these
musings may have value but are not useful in understanding OFBiz as
shipped today.
Ron
On 10/01/2015 1:20 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
> Le 10/01/2015 18:18, Adrian Crum a écrit :
>> I don't see how that page is related to Moqui or Hemp. I remember
>> David trying to rally support for a set of design documents -
>> something OFBiz desperately needs.
>
> For instance https://github.com/jonesde/HiveMind and
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Project+Management+Concept+Design
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz will
> never exist, Moqui replaced it
>
> For other pages it's more links to Oasis and alike, I have not seen
> much interest around the oagis speciapurpose component!
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index
> is certainly the most interesting part
>
>
>>
>> Yes, they are neglected. But from my perspective, they are essential.
>
> Then why are they neglected?
>
> Jacques
>
>>
>> Adrian Crum
>> Sandglass Software
>> www.sandglass-software.com
>>
>> On 1/10/2015 5:44 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all
>>> together
>>>
>>> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that people
>>> interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated
>>> workspace.
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>> I think we can remove this page
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say
>>>>> that the work proposed has been done.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>>>> to be neglected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and
>>>>> perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>>>> better place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>>>>
>>>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>>>> Process Library Index
>>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical
>>>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>>>> some of this out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 10/01/2015 18:18, Adrian Crum a écrit :
> I don't see how that page is related to Moqui or Hemp. I remember David trying to rally support for a set of design documents - something OFBiz
> desperately needs.
For instance https://github.com/jonesde/HiveMind and https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Project+Management+Concept+Design
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz will never exist, Moqui replaced it
For other pages it's more links to Oasis and alike, I have not seen much interest around the oagis speciapurpose component!
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index is certainly the most interesting part
>
> Yes, they are neglected. But from my perspective, they are essential.
Then why are they neglected?
Jacques
>
> Adrian Crum
> Sandglass Software
> www.sandglass-software.com
>
> On 1/10/2015 5:44 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all
>> together
>>
>> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that people
>> interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated workspace.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>> I think we can remove this page
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>>
>>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say
>>>> that the work proposed has been done.
>>>>
>>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>>
>>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>>> to be neglected.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and
>>>> perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>>> better place.
>>>>
>>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>>> Process Library Index
>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical
>>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>>> some of this out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@sandglass-software.com>.
I don't see how that page is related to Moqui or Hemp. I remember David
trying to rally support for a set of design documents - something OFBiz
desperately needs.
Yes, they are neglected. But from my perspective, they are essential.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 1/10/2015 5:44 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all
> together
>
> Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that people
> interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated workspace.
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>> I think we can remove this page
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>>>
>>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say
>>> that the work proposed has been done.
>>>
>>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental
>>> philosophy of OFBiz.
>>>
>>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems
>>> to be neglected.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and
>>> perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a
>>> better place.
>>>
>>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above
>>> Open Standards for OFBiz
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz>
>>> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>>> Process Library Index
>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>>
>>>
>>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical
>>> state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort
>>> some of this out.
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Open Standards for OFBiz
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I even wonder if we should not get rid of the OFBREQDES workpspace all together
Since then David has created Moqui and Hemp. It seems to me that people interested should rather refer to them than this now deprecated workspace.
Jacques
Le 07/01/2015 22:53, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> I think we can remove this page
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 26/11/2014 15:12, Ron Wheeler a écrit :
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz
>> This page appears to be old and probably in need of update.
>> Some of the sentences using the future tense should be changed to say that the work proposed has been done.
>>
>> It does provide an important information about the fundamental philosophy of OFBiz.
>>
>> The whole OFBiz Requirements and Designs <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES> space seems to be neglected.
>>
>>
>> I am not sure that this Confluence space is currently being used and perhaps the material that is still relevant could be moved to a better place.
>>
>> Some seems to belong in the end-user doc (the page referenced above Open Standards for OFBiz
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Open+Standards+for+OFBiz> seems to fit that as does the whole section Universal Business
>> Process Library Index <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index>)
>>
>> Some seems to be technical docs.
>> I am not sure how much is useful for understanding current technical state but perhaps some of the more knowledgeable members could sort some of
>> this out.
>>
>>
>