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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> on 2011/10/21 02:26:08 UTC
Locking down the wiki
Hey,
On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect pages
like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
about it.
More info here:
http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
Look for the section:
per wiki access control - tighten your wiki just a little, benefit just a
lot
Thanks,
N
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Adam Kocoloski <ko...@apache.org>.
Thanks for looking into it Noah. I don't have a problem with locking it down as you suggest. Maybe we can seed the pre-approved list with the list of users who have made non-spam edits already?
Adam
On Oct 20, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect pages
> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
> about it.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>
>
> Look for the section:
>
> per wiki access control - tighten your wiki just a little, benefit just a
> lot
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> N
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
+1
On 21 October 2011 05:06, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect pages
>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
>> about it.
>>
>> More info here:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>
>>
>> Look for the section:
>>
>> per wiki access control - tighten your wiki just a little, benefit just a
>> lot
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> N
>>
>
> +1 one of these
> http://astroblog.cosmobc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shuttle.jpg
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect pages
> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
> about it.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>
>
> Look for the section:
>
> per wiki access control - tighten your wiki just a little, benefit just a
> lot
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> N
>
+1 one of these
http://astroblog.cosmobc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shuttle.jpg
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Requested.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4066
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 20:17 , Robert Newson wrote:
>
> > +1 on Noah's non-Procedure.
>
> I claim that non-Procedure, good sir.
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
> >
> > B.
> >
> > On 21 October 2011 19:14, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> >> Most productive edits come from regular contributors or members of the
> >> community. Most drive-by edits come from spammers. In fact, there are
> some
> >> spammers with genuine accounts, who make very purposeful and directed
> edits
> >> to inject links inconspicuously.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Pepijn de Vos <pepijndevos@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all
> contributors
> >>> and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just
> walk
> >>> by, fix something and walk on.
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list,
> >>> you're
> >>>> good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out
> about
> >>> your
> >>>> request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for
> people
> >>> to
> >>>> contact one of us.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <
> paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
> >>>>>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
> >>>>>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
> >>>>>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> Jan
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
> >>>>> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <
> bchesneau@gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> yes
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
> >>>>> bchesneau@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@tumbolia.org
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock
> >>> down
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make
> >>> edits,
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> wiki
> >>>>>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
> >>>>> protect
> >>>>>>>>>> pages
> >>>>>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
> >>>>>>>> projects
> >>>>>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a
> result.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what
> >>> people
> >>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> More info here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - benoit
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On Oct 21, 2011, at 20:17 , Robert Newson wrote:
> +1 on Noah's non-Procedure.
I claim that non-Procedure, good sir.
Cheers
Jan
--
>
> B.
>
> On 21 October 2011 19:14, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> Most productive edits come from regular contributors or members of the
>> community. Most drive-by edits come from spammers. In fact, there are some
>> spammers with genuine accounts, who make very purposeful and directed edits
>> to inject links inconspicuously.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Pepijn de Vos <pe...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all contributors
>>> and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just walk
>>> by, fix something and walk on.
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list,
>>> you're
>>>> good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about
>>> your
>>>> request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people
>>> to
>>>> contact one of us.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
>>>>>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
>>>>>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
>>>>>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
>>>>> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
>>>>> bchesneau@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.org
>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock
>>> down
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make
>>> edits,
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what
>>> people
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More info here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - benoit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Robert Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
+1 on Noah's non-Procedure.
B.
On 21 October 2011 19:14, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Most productive edits come from regular contributors or members of the
> community. Most drive-by edits come from spammers. In fact, there are some
> spammers with genuine accounts, who make very purposeful and directed edits
> to inject links inconspicuously.
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Pepijn de Vos <pe...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all contributors
>> and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just walk
>> by, fix something and walk on.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
>> >
>> > Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list,
>> you're
>> > good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about
>> your
>> > request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people
>> to
>> > contact one of us.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sounds good to me.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
>> >>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
>> >>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
>> >>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
>> >>>
>> >>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
>> >>>
>> >>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Jan
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
>> >> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> yes
>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
>> >> bchesneau@gmail.com
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.org
>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hey,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock
>> down
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make
>> edits,
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of
>> the
>> >>>>> wiki
>> >>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
>> >> protect
>> >>>>>>> pages
>> >>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>> >>>>> projects
>> >>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>> >>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what
>> people
>> >>>>> think
>> >>>>>>>> about it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> More info here:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - benoit
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Most productive edits come from regular contributors or members of the
community. Most drive-by edits come from spammers. In fact, there are some
spammers with genuine accounts, who make very purposeful and directed edits
to inject links inconspicuously.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Pepijn de Vos <pe...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all contributors
> and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just walk
> by, fix something and walk on.
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
> >
> > Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list,
> you're
> > good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about
> your
> > request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people
> to
> > contact one of us.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <paul.joseph.davis@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sounds good to me.
> >>>
> >>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
> >>>
> >>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
> >>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
> >>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
> >>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
> >>>
> >>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
> >>>
> >>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Jan
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
> >> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> yes
> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
> >> bchesneau@gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.org
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock
> down
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make
> edits,
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of
> the
> >>>>> wiki
> >>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
> >> protect
> >>>>>>> pages
> >>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
> >>>>> projects
> >>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> >>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what
> people
> >>>>> think
> >>>>>>>> about it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> More info here:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - benoit
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Pepijn de Vos <pe...@yahoo.com>.
I wonder what the demography is of contributors. Are they all contributors and list members, or is there a reasonable portion of users that just walk by, fix something and walk on.
On Oct 21, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote:
> Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
>
> Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list, you're
> good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about your
> request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people to
> contact one of us.
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>
>>> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
>>>
>>> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
>>> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
>>> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
>>> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
>>>
>>> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
>>>
>>> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jan
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
>> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>>>> To JIRA you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
>> bchesneau@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
>> protect
>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>>>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More info here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - benoit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Yeah, I don't think we need a Procedure™ in place for this.
Basically, as long as a wiki admin adds you to the contributor list, you're
good to go. How you reach out to that admin, or how they find out about your
request, is unimportant. We should present plenty of options for people to
contact one of us.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds good to me.
> >
> > "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
> >
> > I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
> > people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
> > manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
> > Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
> >
> > <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
> >
> > (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jan
> > --
> >
>
> I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
> or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> >>>> To JIRA you mean?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> yes
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <
> bchesneau@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
> >>> the
> >>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
> >>> you
> >>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
> >>> wiki
> >>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to
> protect
> >>>>> pages
> >>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
> >>> projects
> >>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> >>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
> >>> think
> >>>>>> about it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> More info here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - benoit
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Paul Davis <pa...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
>
>> Sounds good to me.
>
> "Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
>
> I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
> people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
> manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
> Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
>
> <insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
>
> (I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
I agree with Jan about multiple signups. I'd say an email to any list
or any IRC request is more than enough to get wiki edits is fine.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>>> To JIRA you mean?
>>>>
>>>
>>> yes
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
>>> the
>>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
>>> you
>>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
>>> wiki
>>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect
>>>>> pages
>>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>>> projects
>>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
>>> think
>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More info here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>>>>
>>>>> - benoit
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
On Oct 21, 2011, at 18:57 , Noah Slater wrote:
> Sounds good to me.
"Open a JIRA to get a wiki account" sounds very bad to me.
I understand we gotta get the spam under control, but asking
people to sign up in two places and put a potentially long
manual setup process will kill almost any contribution energy.
Heck, I try to avoid the wiki as much as I can as is.
<insert handwavey suggestion to a better alternative>
(I got nothing for now apart from moving to a better wiki, sorry)
Cheers
Jan
--
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>> To JIRA you mean?
>>>
>>
>> yes
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
>> the
>>>>> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
>> you
>>>>> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
>> wiki
>>>>> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect
>>>> pages
>>>>> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
>> projects
>>>>> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>>>>> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
>> think
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> More info here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>>>
>>>> - benoit
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Sounds good to me.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > To JIRA you mean?
> >
>
> yes
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> wrote:
> >> > Hey,
> >> >
> >> > On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
> the
> >> > wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
> you
> >> > would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
> wiki
> >> > admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect
> >> pages
> >> > like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
> projects
> >> > have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> >> > Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
> think
> >> > about it.
> >> >
> >> > More info here:
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
> >>
> >> - benoit
> >>
> >
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Friday, October 21, 2011, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> To JIRA you mean?
>
yes
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down
the
>> > wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits,
you
>> > would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the
wiki
>> > admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect
>> pages
>> > like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other
projects
>> > have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
>> > Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people
think
>> > about it.
>> >
>> > More info here:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>> >
>> >
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>>
>> - benoit
>>
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
To JIRA you mean?
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
> > wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
> > would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
> > admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect
> pages
> > like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
> > have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> > Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
> > about it.
> >
> > More info here:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
> >
> >
>
> +1
>
> Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
>
> - benoit
>
Re: Locking down the wiki
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On advice from Gavin McDonald, I'd like to suggest that we lock down the
> wiki to a list of pre-approved users. To get approved to make edits, you
> would submit a request to one of the mailing lists or to one of the wiki
> admins or committers. That's it. It should remove the need to protect pages
> like the "in the wild" stuff and the people on the couch. Other projects
> have implemented this and they get absolutely no spam as a result.
> Infrastructure suggested we move to it, and I wanna see what people think
> about it.
>
> More info here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/OurWikiFarm
>
>
+1
Maybe approval requests could also be submitted as tickets?
- benoit