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XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
slow-moving projects.
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
+1
this is, imo, what we should have done right from the start.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
> slow-moving projects.
>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
I tend to agree with Dan here. It would have made sense when 2.0 was
released. When Benson proposed it a year ago, it was already very
late. I think that now it is really too late.
Andreas
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Well, I more or less object now. CXF has used it for well over a year now
> and renaming the packages now would certainly break a few things for our
> users.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 06:01:12 PM Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> We are thinking to upgrade Axis2 trunk into XMLSchema2 but due to
>> insufficient test coverage on Axis2 side it's take more time and required
>> more works to reach there. It would be great if we can keep both versions
>> as dependencies until we finish the job completely.
>>
>> Since there is no objection to do the package renaming shall we do it on
>> trunk ?
>>
>> If we agree on above I suggest "org.apache.ws.xmlschema.*" as the new
>> package name WDYT ? any better suggestions ?
>>
>> If Benson is busy with other stuff I can spend sometime on this hope SVN
>> move followed by source file editing will work here.
>>
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Benson
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
Well, I more or less object now. CXF has used it for well over a year now
and renaming the packages now would certainly break a few things for our
users.
Dan
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 06:01:12 PM Sagara Gunathunga wrote:
> Folks,
>
> We are thinking to upgrade Axis2 trunk into XMLSchema2 but due to
> insufficient test coverage on Axis2 side it's take more time and required
> more works to reach there. It would be great if we can keep both versions
> as dependencies until we finish the job completely.
>
> Since there is no objection to do the package renaming shall we do it on
> trunk ?
>
> If we agree on above I suggest "org.apache.ws.xmlschema.*" as the new
> package name WDYT ? any better suggestions ?
>
> If Benson is busy with other stuff I can spend sometime on this hope SVN
> move followed by source file editing will work here.
>
>
> Thanks !
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Benson
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
Folks,
We are thinking to upgrade Axis2 trunk into XMLSchema2 but due to
insufficient test coverage on Axis2 side it's take more time and required
more works to reach there. It would be great if we can keep both versions
as dependencies until we finish the job completely.
Since there is no objection to do the package renaming shall we do it on
trunk ?
If we agree on above I suggest "org.apache.ws.xmlschema.*" as the new
package name WDYT ? any better suggestions ?
If Benson is busy with other stuff I can spend sometime on this hope SVN
move followed by source file editing will work here.
Thanks !
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Benson
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:47:17 PM Benson Margulies wrote:
> That's two positives. @dkulp, you listening? Got an opinion?
Personally, I really feel very strongly either way. 2.0 is out and works
fine and I *personally* haven't really run into issues with conflicts yet that
aren't easily resolvable. If you are talking about CXF users, they are
likely to also hit the same thing with WSS4J and similar (that have big
updates in the same package names).
That said, the entire update to XmlSchema 2 didn't seem to impact any CXF
users significantly at all. Thus, I don't think changing the package names
would impact them much either. Thus, I'm a -0 to changing them.
Dan
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Veithen
>
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 03:36, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> Oh, a few hours.
> >
> > Considering the poorer development standards, for Axis2 this would
> > take considerably more time and I don't have the motivation right now.
> > I think you should go ahead an change the package names for 2.1.
> >
> >> I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
> >> want that without the package renames?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
> >>
> >> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
> >>>
> >>> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
> >>>
> >>> Andreas
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
> >>>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
> >>>> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
> >>>>
> >>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies
<bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced
> >>>>>> that it
> >>>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a
> >>>>>> branch for 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at
> >>>>>> 2.1, and rename the packages. This would make it possible for
> >>>>>> one program to use both 'current' and the 1.4 versions that
> >>>>>> are still stuck in various slow-moving projects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you
> >>>>> identified?>>>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
That's two positives. @dkulp, you listening? Got an opinion?
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Andreas Veithen
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 03:36, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, a few hours.
>
> Considering the poorer development standards, for Axis2 this would
> take considerably more time and I don't have the motivation right now.
> I think you should go ahead an change the package names for 2.1.
>
>> I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
>> want that without the package renames?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
>>>
>>> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
>>>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
>>>> reason.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
>>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>>>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>>>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>>>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>>>>> slow-moving projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 03:36, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, a few hours.
Considering the poorer development standards, for Axis2 this would
take considerably more time and I don't have the motivation right now.
I think you should go ahead an change the package names for 2.1.
> I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
> want that without the package renames?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
>>
>> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
>>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>>>> slow-moving projects.
>>>>
>>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Andreas Veithen
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I already did the changes for Woden, but on a branch. The intention is
> to merge them to the trunk once the Axis2 changes are ready.
+1 for merge later with Axis2.
Thanks !
>
> Andreas
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 03:36, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, a few hours.
>>
>> I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
>> want that without the package renames?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
>>>
>>> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
>>>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
>>>> reason.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
>>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>>>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>>>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>>>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>>>>> slow-moving projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
I already did the changes for Woden, but on a branch. The intention is
to merge them to the trunk once the Axis2 changes are ready.
Andreas
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 03:36, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, a few hours.
>
> I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
> want that without the package renames?
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
>>
>> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
>>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>>>> slow-moving projects.
>>>>
>>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Oh, a few hours.
I could perhaps look into making the changes to woden, but would you
want that without the package renames?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Veithen
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
>
> How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
>> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
>> reason.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>>> slow-moving projects.
>>>
>>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
Indeed, Woden depends on XmlSchema as well.
How much time did it take you to port CXF to XmlSchema 2.0?
Andreas
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 19:27, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
> imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
> reason.
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>>> slow-moving projects.
>>
>> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Wasn't there one of the 'w' projects related to wsdl? Or am I just
imagining the non-Axis2 case? Axis2 would probably be enough of a
reason.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andreas Veithen
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
>> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
>> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
>> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
>> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
>> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
>> slow-moving projects.
>
> What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
>
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Re: XmlSchema 2.1 with package renames
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 17:44, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on email since we released 2.0, I've become convinced that it
> was a mistake to leave the package names alone and change all the
> APIs. There are a few outstanding JIRA. I propose to make a branch for
> 'urgent' fixes atop 2.0, and then aim the trunk at 2.1, and rename the
> packages. This would make it possible for one program to use both
> 'current' and the 1.4 versions that are still stuck in various
> slow-moving projects.
What were the slow-moving projects (other than Axis2) that you identified?
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