Re: Tapestry Vs. JSF vs. Strusts vs. ...

[di...@multitask.com.au]

Cool.

I have to take another serious look @ Tapestry for our paid work. I think 
I need to get my toes wet checking out the tutorial and samples.....
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog:      http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
Work:      http://www.multitask.com.au


"Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hl...@attbi.com> wrote on 30/05/2003 09:29:21 PM:

> It's all about where you want to focus your energies.
> 
> With Struts and (what I understand of JSF), you spend way too much 
> time doing plumbing.  Tapestry
> does all the ugly plumbing; you don't have to be concerned with the 
> servlet API:  HttpSession,
> HttpServlet, HttpServletRequest ... all that stuff disappeers.  You 
> write just the tiny amount of
> code to be executed when "stuff happens" (link clicked or form 
> submitted) in the form of a listener
> method.  Tapestry does all the rest.
> 
> Tapestry lets you code in the familiar world of stateFUL JavaBeans, 
> rather than in the artificially
> stateLESS world of servlets.
> 
> Tapestry has phenominal exception reporting; if there's an error in 
> your HTML templates or your
> specifications (the companion files that provide Tapestry with the 
> details of your pages) you get
> not just a stack trace, but the exact file and line where the error 
> took place, along with a rundown
> of all the Servlet API objects (request, session, etc.).  All the 
> runtime objects (pages,
> components, bindings, whatever) are "tagged" with the location (file, 
> line and column) from which
> they were generated.
> 
> Tapestry doesn't use JSP ... Tapestry HTML templates are still valid 
> HTML.  JSPs (and even Velocity)
> instruments HTML by injecting a whole second language into the 
> template: you template is a mix of
> HTML, XML, JSP directives and Java (for JSP) and HTML and Velocity 
> directives (for Velocity).  In
> Tapestry, your HTML is still HTML ... though in some cases, there are 
> extra attributes on tags, and
> special interpretations of attribute values.
> 
> Anyway, I've been encouraging the community to be a bit more vocal 
> about why they feel Tapestry is
> so good.  The 3.0 stuff especially gives you vast power and tremendous
> simplicity (and enough rope
> to hang yourself, but that's another discussion!).  A 3.0 beta will be
> out, probably this weekend.
> 
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dion@multitask.com.au [mailto:dion@multitask.com.au] 
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:37 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: Congrats!
> > 
> > 
> > Howard,
> > 
> > are there any good docs on why you would go Tapestry vs 
> > JSF/Struts/etc??
> > --
> > dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
> > Blog:      http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
> > Work:      http://www.multitask.com.au
> > 
> > 
> > hlship@attbi.com wrote on 30/05/2003 02:17:25 AM:
> > 
> > > Yes, it is very good to see this, we still need to get mindshare.
> > > 
> > > However, what Tapestry really needs is more support from 
> > the trenches.
> > > Shortly, there will be announcements on ServerSide and 
> > JavaLobby. More 
> > people 
> > > need to read well worded endorsments and success stories.  Posting 
> > > here
> > is 
> > > preaching to the converted.
> > > 
> > > I think every person who reads this list has a vested 
> > interest in the
> > success 
> > > of Tapestry ... after all, who wants to go back to sevlets, 
> > Struts and
> > JSPs? 
> > > Therefore, it is incumbant on every person here to support 
> > Tapestry a
> > > publically as possible.
> > > 
> > > You should consider it your payment for the tens of 
> > thousands of hours
> > the 
> > > Tapestry team has invested in Tapestry.  We can solve every 
> > technical
> > challenge 
> > > in the world and its all meaningless unless we wrest mindshare away 
> > > from
> > JSF 
> > > and Struts and the like.
> > > 
> > > Tapestry can still fail, still be an "also ran", still be 
> > beta to the
> > > JSF/Struts VHS.  (Personally, I think of Tapestry as more 
> > of a DVD/RW in 
> > that 
> > > analogy).  Regardless, EVERY SINGLE TAPESTRY USER should 
> > take time on
> > EVERY 
> > > TAPESTRY ANNOUNCEMENT to voice their support.  We must be loud.  We 
> > > must
> > even 
> > > be obnoxious at times.
> > > 
> > > Every time you see a Tapestry announcement on JavaLobby or 
> > > TheServerSide
> > or 
> > > elsewhere and you don't spent *one minute* to post a supporting 
> > > message,
> > you 
> > > are saying that you would rather slave away using JSF or some other 
> > > ugly
> > 
> > > framework.  Period.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > hlship@attbi.com
> > > 
> > > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components 
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> > > > Glad to see that Tapestry is finally an official Apache 
> > subproject!
> > > > It's about time that Tapestry had a stamp of approval you 
> > can show to
> > > > managers!
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Bill Burdick <bi...@appliedreasoning.com>
> > > > 
> > > 
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