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Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
We are using Netbeans 8.2 extensively for cross platform C++
development and I was curious with Netbeans 11 release, I have the
following questions
1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple
other web based types)
2 Can you upgrade NB8.2 projects to NB11 ?
3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
Thanks!
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Donation in this context means Oracle donation of code to the ASF. (and not money)
Maybe that provides more sense to GJ comment. ;)
Am 27. September 2019 10:25:35 MESZ schrieb Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>:
>Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>
>Gj
>
>On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of
>crowdfunding
>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>
>> -Ulf
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
I respect their efforts and what they accomplished, but I disagree entirely with their approach if your intent is to develop native windows code. It is primarily useful for academic purposes. It is an incompatible system that exists in a parallel universe.
Anyway my point was to express the real need for C/C++ support on Windows that works with native Windows SDKs. The JDK itself uses some Cygwin tools in the build process, but is ultimately compiled with Visual Studio compilers. I’m pretty sure there’s a good reason for not using the GNU compilers as it would be much less effort to have a common compiler on Linux and Windows.
Scott
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:55 AM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> This kind of picking winners has no place in the ASF.
> Don't get me wrong I would like to see a better integration within windows.
> OpenOffice build environment is very awkward in windows. But please Fokus on the integration and not on history you seem at least not to care about, or you do not know.
> Cygwin has earned its respect by providing a tool chain and Unix tools to windows. this made it possible to deliver software for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS.
> Something a lot of professional windows based software fails to provide. The open source community builds wine to counter this. Which again is an awesome effort mostly not understood.
>
> Please show some respect. Degrade efforts of others is not what makes open source community work.
>
>
> Am 28. September 2019 03:32:41 MESZ schrieb Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> The other option is MinGW, both it and Cygwin are *NEVER* used by professional developers on Windows.
>>
>> They don’t work with the Windows SDK but instead attempt to supply their own version of Windows header files.
>> Both options rely on awkward hacks to make Windows appear to have some more unix-like APIs. As a result you often end up with writing code that is very much not the way you would typically do things on Windows. This results in half-assed ports of native bits that never quite align with what Windows users expect.
>> Those tools may be suitable for students to experiment with, but they just don’t cut it for writing proper native code for Windows.
>>
>> Proper C/C++ support on Windows means using a native Windows toolset. Visual C++, or perhaps Intel’s compiler. Or at least something that can compile and link with actual binaries and headers from the official Windows SDK.
>>
>> Gradle’s cpp-library plugin properly uses Windows tools on Windows instead of trying to make Windows look like unix and only working with an awkward compatibility layer.
>>
>> Sorry… rant over.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Alonso Del Arte <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> > Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical. Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I've had no problem with simple C++ console applications in NetBeans 8.2 under Windows 8.2 (neither of those are going to get upgraded). I went with Cygwin64, I remember there was another option but I don't remember why I rejected it. I've found Java AWT and Swing to be quite adequate for when I need a GUI.
>>>
>>> I have yet to try to do anything with C++ on my Mac, on which I now have both NetBeans 8.2 and 11.1. Worst case scenario if I ever need to work on C++ on my Mac, I can probably use GCC on the command line if XCode won't cut it.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’ plugin. A smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along with it.
>>>>
>>>> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical. Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
>>>>>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ulf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alonso del Arte
>>> Author at SmashWords.com
>>> Musician at ReverbNation.com
>>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
This kind of picking winners has no place in the ASF.
Don't get me wrong I would like to see a better integration within windows.
OpenOffice build environment is very awkward in windows. But please Fokus on the integration and not on history you seem at least not to care about, or you do not know.
Cygwin has earned its respect by providing a tool chain and Unix tools to windows. this made it possible to deliver software for Windows, Linux, and Mac OS.
Something a lot of professional windows based software fails to provide. The open source community builds wine to counter this. Which again is an awesome effort mostly not understood.
Please show some respect. Degrade efforts of others is not what makes open source community work.
Am 28. September 2019 03:32:41 MESZ schrieb Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>:
>The other option is MinGW, both it and Cygwin are *NEVER* used by
>professional developers on Windows.
>
>They don’t work with the Windows SDK but instead attempt to supply
>their own version of Windows header files.
>Both options rely on awkward hacks to make Windows appear to have some
>more unix-like APIs. As a result you often end up with writing code
>that is very much not the way you would typically do things on
>Windows. This results in half-assed ports of native bits that never
>quite align with what Windows users expect.
>Those tools may be suitable for students to experiment with, but they
>just don’t cut it for writing proper native code for Windows.
>
>Proper C/C++ support on Windows means using a native Windows toolset.
>Visual C++, or perhaps Intel’s compiler. Or at least something that
>can compile and link with actual binaries and headers from the
>official Windows SDK.
>
>Gradle’s cpp-library plugin properly uses Windows tools on Windows
>instead of trying to make Windows look like unix and only working with
>an awkward compatibility layer.
>
>Sorry… rant over.
>
>Scott
>
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Alonso Del Arte
><al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> > Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
>Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset
>that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is
>incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and
>configure.)
>>
>> For what it's worth, I've had no problem with simple C++ console
>applications in NetBeans 8.2 under Windows 8.2 (neither of those are
>going to get upgraded). I went with Cygwin64, I remember there was
>another option but I don't remember why I rejected it. I've found Java
>AWT and Swing to be quite adequate for when I need a GUI.
>>
>> I have yet to try to do anything with C++ on my Mac, on which I now
>have both NetBeans 8.2 and 11.1. Worst case scenario if I ever need to
>work on C++ on my Mac, I can probably use GCC on the command line if
>XCode won't cut it.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM Scott Palmer <swpalmer@gmail.com
><ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’
>plugin. A smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along
>with it.
>>
>> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
>Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset
>that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is
>incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and
>configure.)
>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan@apache.org
><ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ulf.Zibis@cosoco.de
><ma...@cosoco.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>>
>>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of
>crowdfunding
>>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>>
>>> -Ulf
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alonso del Arte
>> Author at SmashWords.com
><https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlonsoDelarte>
>> Musician at ReverbNation.com
><http://www.reverbnation.com/alonsodelarte>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Alonso Del Arte <al...@gmail.com>.
Ah yes, MinGW, I remember now. It would have been a lot more overhead than
Cygwin and at the time I just wanted to do a few simple command line
applications. I was thinking about native Windows applications but I didn't
get past the research stage.
Thank you very much for elaborating.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:32 PM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The other option is MinGW, both it and Cygwin are *NEVER* used by
> professional developers on Windows.
>
> They don’t work with the Windows SDK but instead attempt to supply their
> own version of Windows header files.
> Both options rely on awkward hacks to make Windows appear to have some
> more unix-like APIs. As a result you often end up with writing code that
> is very much not the way you would typically do things on Windows. This
> results in half-assed ports of native bits that never quite align with what
> Windows users expect.
> Those tools may be suitable for students to experiment with, but they just
> don’t cut it for writing proper native code for Windows.
>
> Proper C/C++ support on Windows means using a native Windows toolset.
> Visual C++, or perhaps Intel’s compiler. Or at least something that can
> compile and link with actual binaries and headers from the official
> Windows SDK.
>
> Gradle’s cpp-library plugin properly uses Windows tools on Windows instead
> of trying to make Windows look like unix and only working with an awkward
> compatibility layer.
>
> Sorry… rant over.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Alonso Del Arte <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
> Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that
> is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible
> with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>
> For what it's worth, I've had no problem with simple C++ console
> applications in NetBeans 8.2 under Windows 8.2 (neither of those are going
> to get upgraded). I went with Cygwin64, I remember there was another option
> but I don't remember why I rejected it. I've found Java AWT and Swing to be
> quite adequate for when I need a GUI.
>
> I have yet to try to do anything with C++ on my Mac, on which I now have
> both NetBeans 8.2 and 11.1. Worst case scenario if I ever need to work on
> C++ on my Mac, I can probably use GCC on the command line if XCode won't
> cut it.
>
> Al
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’ plugin. A
>> smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along with it.
>>
>> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
>> Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that
>> is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible
>> with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>>
>>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
>>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>>
>>> -Ulf
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Alonso del Arte
> Author at SmashWords.com
> <https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlonsoDelarte>
> Musician at ReverbNation.com <http://www.reverbnation.com/alonsodelarte>
>
>
>
--
Alonso del Arte
Author at SmashWords.com
<https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlonsoDelarte>
Musician at ReverbNation.com <http://www.reverbnation.com/alonsodelarte>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
The other option is MinGW, both it and Cygwin are *NEVER* used by professional developers on Windows.
They don’t work with the Windows SDK but instead attempt to supply their own version of Windows header files.
Both options rely on awkward hacks to make Windows appear to have some more unix-like APIs. As a result you often end up with writing code that is very much not the way you would typically do things on Windows. This results in half-assed ports of native bits that never quite align with what Windows users expect.
Those tools may be suitable for students to experiment with, but they just don’t cut it for writing proper native code for Windows.
Proper C/C++ support on Windows means using a native Windows toolset. Visual C++, or perhaps Intel’s compiler. Or at least something that can compile and link with actual binaries and headers from the official Windows SDK.
Gradle’s cpp-library plugin properly uses Windows tools on Windows instead of trying to make Windows look like unix and only working with an awkward compatibility layer.
Sorry… rant over.
Scott
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Alonso Del Arte <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical. Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>
> For what it's worth, I've had no problem with simple C++ console applications in NetBeans 8.2 under Windows 8.2 (neither of those are going to get upgraded). I went with Cygwin64, I remember there was another option but I don't remember why I rejected it. I've found Java AWT and Swing to be quite adequate for when I need a GUI.
>
> I have yet to try to do anything with C++ on my Mac, on which I now have both NetBeans 8.2 and 11.1. Worst case scenario if I ever need to work on C++ on my Mac, I can probably use GCC on the command line if XCode won't cut it.
>
> Al
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM Scott Palmer <swpalmer@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’ plugin. A smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along with it.
>
> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical. Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ulf.Zibis@cosoco.de <ma...@cosoco.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>
>> -Ulf
>
>
>
> --
> Alonso del Arte
> Author at SmashWords.com <https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlonsoDelarte>
> Musician at ReverbNation.com <http://www.reverbnation.com/alonsodelarte>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Alonso Del Arte <al...@gmail.com>.
Scott wrote:
> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that
is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible
with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
For what it's worth, I've had no problem with simple C++ console
applications in NetBeans 8.2 under Windows 8.2 (neither of those are going
to get upgraded). I went with Cygwin64, I remember there was another option
but I don't remember why I rejected it. I've found Java AWT and Swing to be
quite adequate for when I need a GUI.
I have yet to try to do anything with C++ on my Mac, on which I now have
both NetBeans 8.2 and 11.1. Worst case scenario if I ever need to work on
C++ on my Mac, I can probably use GCC on the command line if XCode won't
cut it.
Al
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:51 AM Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’ plugin. A
> smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along with it.
>
> Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical.
> Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that
> is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible
> with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
>
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
>> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>>
>> -Ulf
>>
>
>
--
Alonso del Arte
Author at SmashWords.com
<https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/AlonsoDelarte>
Musician at ReverbNation.com <http://www.reverbnation.com/alonsodelarte>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
Would be great to see C/C++ support via Gradle’s 'cpp-library’ plugin. A smooth Java + JNI project setup would be welcome along with it.
Existing NetBeans C/C++ support on Windows is not very practical. Bordering on almost unusable actually. (It requires use of a toolset that is virtually never used on Windows for native development, is incompatible with Windows SDKs, and difficult to maintain and configure.)
> On Sep 27, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ulf.Zibis@cosoco.de <ma...@cosoco.de>> wrote:
>
> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>
> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>
> -Ulf
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Yes, that is called the Apache Software Foundation.
Gj
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Ulf Zibis <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
>
> Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> > I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>
> My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
> to support the C/C++ plugin.
>
> -Ulf
>
>
>
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Ulf Zibis <Ul...@CoSoCo.de>.
Am 26.09.19 um 23:02 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
My understanding of "donation" was, that there is a kind of crowdfunding
to support the C/C++ plugin.
-Ulf
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Yes, final stages of that part of the donation, things looking good, great
to keep seeing interest in these parts of NetBeans, and it's moving along
though not quite here yet.
Gj
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 11:03 PM Peter Kovacs <Pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
>
> I understand that the Donation of the c++ plugin from Oracle to Apache
> Netbeans has been delayed.
>
> Last status report to this topic suggests that Oracle Lawyers are still
> reviewing. (As far as I remember the Information has been that this is
> what is left.)
>
>
> On 26.09.19 22:50, Ulf Zibis wrote:
> > Am 26.09.19 um 22:42 schrieb Neil C Smith:
> >> The donation didn't make it by the 11.2 feature freeze date.
> > Where is the home for the donations?
> >
> > -Ulf
> >
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
I do not understand the question. Can you elaborate?
I understand that the Donation of the c++ plugin from Oracle to Apache
Netbeans has been delayed.
Last status report to this topic suggests that Oracle Lawyers are still
reviewing. (As far as I remember the Information has been that this is
what is left.)
On 26.09.19 22:50, Ulf Zibis wrote:
> Am 26.09.19 um 22:42 schrieb Neil C Smith:
>> The donation didn't make it by the 11.2 feature freeze date.
> Where is the home for the donations?
>
> -Ulf
>
>
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Ulf Zibis <Ul...@CoSoCo.de>.
Am 26.09.19 um 22:42 schrieb Neil C Smith:
>
> The donation didn't make it by the 11.2 feature freeze date.
Where is the home for the donations?
-Ulf
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, 21:17 Ulf Zibis, <Ul...@cosoco.de> wrote:
> I've seen, that the C/C++ inclusion has been removed from the release plan.
> So now, what is the future of C/C++ inclusion in NetBeans IDE?
>
The donation didn't make it by the 11.2 feature freeze date. Hopefully it
won't be long now and can be integrated early in the 11.3 cycle. Earlier
the better IMO - I'm somewhat glad we haven't had big features land at the
last minute this time around!
Best wishes,
Neil
>
Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Ulf Zibis <Ul...@CoSoCo.de>.
Thanks Alonso, but save your effort.
The plugin from 8.2 works so far with 11.1, but I'm longing for a new
updated version.
-Ulf
Am 26.09.19 um 22:37 schrieb Alonso Del Arte:
> (off-list) Huh... I have at least one C++ project in NetBeans 8.2. I'm
> going to have to check if I can open it in 11.1...
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 4:16 PM Ulf Zibis <Ulf.Zibis@cosoco.de
> <ma...@cosoco.de>> wrote:
>
> Hi Geertjan,
>
> I've seen, that the C/C++ inclusion has been removed from the
> release plan.
> So now, what is the future of C/C++ inclusion in NetBeans IDE?
>
> -Ulf
>
> Am 09.05.19 um 05:07 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
> > Here's the roadmap, C/C++ inclusion is scheduled for September:
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Ulf Zibis <Ul...@CoSoCo.de>.
Hi Geertjan,
I've seen, that the C/C++ inclusion has been removed from the release plan.
So now, what is the future of C/C++ inclusion in NetBeans IDE?
-Ulf
Am 09.05.19 um 05:07 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:
> Here's the roadmap, C/C++ inclusion is scheduled for September:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Well, you can use Java EE 8, right now, today. Just use a Maven archetype
that has the POM configured correctly, e.g., look for the AirHacks
archetypes by Adam Bien, search for them in the Maven project from
Archetype wizard in the New Project dialog.
At the same time, Josh Juneau is working on tweaking several modules
related to Java EE support specifically for Java EE 8, please join the
Apache NetBeans dev mailing list, he’d be very happy to hear of your
interest and feedback and requirements (now is the time to hear what they
are, not after he pushes his changes).
Note too that the Payara team plans to contribute support for Payara to
Apache NetBeans in time for the next release, scheduled for June.
Also be aware of the ongoing discussions re Java EE and Jakarta EE and the
Eclipse Foundation, etc. Too complex to summarize here, best if you do a
search for that on-line.
Thanks,
Gj
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 07:41, Richard Grin <Ri...@univ-cotedazur.fr>
wrote:
> When is Java EE *8* scheduled ? I cannot see it in the link.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>
>
> -------- Message d'origine --------
> De : Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> Date : 09/05/2019 05:07 (GMT+01:00)
> À : Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> Cc : Koos du Preez <ko...@terraclear.com>, NetBeans Mailing <
> users@netbeans.apache.org>
> Objet : Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
>
> Here's the roadmap, C/C++ inclusion is scheduled for September:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:56 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple
>> other web based types)
>>
>> No. I suspect the next release will include the C++ projects.
>>
>> In the meantime you can try CoolBeans ( https://coolbeans.xyz ) which
>> does compile the C++ modules.
>>
>> > 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
>>
>> I suspect not entirely... but only because a low level library I know
>> related to the clang frontend is from Oct 2017 while C++17 seems to
>> have been finalized in 2018.
>>
>> Would be interested about your feedback.
>>
>> --emi
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:22 PM Koos du Preez
>> <ko...@terraclear.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > We are using Netbeans 8.2 extensively for cross platform C++
>> development and I was curious with Netbeans 11 release, I have the
>> following questions
>> >
>> > 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple
>> other web based types)
>> >
>> > 2 Can you upgrade NB8.2 projects to NB11 ?
>> >
>> > 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Richard Grin <Ri...@univ-cotedazur.fr>.
When is Java EE *8* scheduled ? I cannot see it in the link.
Thanks
Richard
Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
-------- Message d'origine --------
De : Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
Date : 09/05/2019 05:07 (GMT+01:00)
À : Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
Cc : Koos du Preez <ko...@terraclear.com>, NetBeans Mailing <us...@netbeans.apache.org>
Objet : Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Here's the roadmap, C/C++ inclusion is scheduled for September:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
Thanks,
Gj
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:56 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple other web based types)
No. I suspect the next release will include the C++ projects.
In the meantime you can try CoolBeans ( https://coolbeans.xyz ) which
does compile the C++ modules.
> 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
I suspect not entirely... but only because a low level library I know
related to the clang frontend is from Oct 2017 while C++17 seems to
have been finalized in 2018.
Would be interested about your feedback.
--emi
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:22 PM Koos du Preez
<ko...@terraclear.com>> wrote:
>
> We are using Netbeans 8.2 extensively for cross platform C++ development and I was curious with Netbeans 11 release, I have the following questions
>
> 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple other web based types)
>
> 2 Can you upgrade NB8.2 projects to NB11 ?
>
> 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
>
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>.
Here's the roadmap, C/C++ inclusion is scheduled for September:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
Thanks,
Gj
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 12:56 AM Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple
> other web based types)
>
> No. I suspect the next release will include the C++ projects.
>
> In the meantime you can try CoolBeans ( https://coolbeans.xyz ) which
> does compile the C++ modules.
>
> > 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
>
> I suspect not entirely... but only because a low level library I know
> related to the clang frontend is from Oct 2017 while C++17 seems to
> have been finalized in 2018.
>
> Would be interested about your feedback.
>
> --emi
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:22 PM Koos du Preez
> <ko...@terraclear.com> wrote:
> >
> > We are using Netbeans 8.2 extensively for cross platform C++ development
> and I was curious with Netbeans 11 release, I have the following questions
> >
> > 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple
> other web based types)
> >
> > 2 Can you upgrade NB8.2 projects to NB11 ?
> >
> > 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
>
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Re: Question on Netbeans 11 and C++
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
> 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple other web based types)
No. I suspect the next release will include the C++ projects.
In the meantime you can try CoolBeans ( https://coolbeans.xyz ) which
does compile the C++ modules.
> 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
I suspect not entirely... but only because a low level library I know
related to the clang frontend is from Oct 2017 while C++17 seems to
have been finalized in 2018.
Would be interested about your feedback.
--emi
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:22 PM Koos du Preez
<ko...@terraclear.com> wrote:
>
> We are using Netbeans 8.2 extensively for cross platform C++ development and I was curious with Netbeans 11 release, I have the following questions
>
> 1 Does NB11 also include C++ projects (I only saw Java, PHP and couple other web based types)
>
> 2 Can you upgrade NB8.2 projects to NB11 ?
>
> 3 Does NB11 support C++17 ?
>
>
> Thanks!
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