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[ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
and so on.
This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by henrib <he...@apache.org>.
Commons Image, +1
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Simone Tripodi
<si...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> I have the feel to express my +1 vote but have Christian's similar
> worries - not sure, but maybe once [vote] successes, there should be a
> resolution... anyway I'm not expert on that field, I just voted
> following my sentiments.
>
> PS I thought the name comes from joining 2 French words "sans"
> (without) and "élan" (momentum) that's the only meaning I can find,
> French people may can confirm :)
How uninspiring! ;)
I'm a native French speaker and yes, if you slap these two word
together, that's what you get, but the site is in English and this
derivation, if it is the intent of its author, is pretty sad. There
are other translation of "élan", but none make for a better project
name, because the prefix, "without", negates any positive meaning!
Gary
>
> best,
> -Simo
>
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> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +1 for Image. Like it very much and fits better
>>>
>>> But I want to emphasize that I would like to respect the wish of the
>>> original developer in this case. Probably he has some emotions around
>>> this and I don't want to force a name change.
>>
>> I'd like to think I accept how others feel and clearly someone gave
>> this code base a name, but it does not fit in [commons] and does
>> nothing to promote itself as what it is: a Java image library. In this
>> case, the emotional value of the name to one (more?) person is unknown
>> and I would argue irrelevant.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> PS: What does it even mean? Googling it reveals pages of references to itself.
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Gary Gregory <gg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>>
>>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Gary,
I have the feel to express my +1 vote but have Christian's similar
worries - not sure, but maybe once [vote] successes, there should be a
resolution... anyway I'm not expert on that field, I just voted
following my sentiments.
PS I thought the name comes from joining 2 French words "sans"
(without) and "élan" (momentum) that's the only meaning I can find,
French people may can confirm :)
best,
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for Image. Like it very much and fits better
>>
>> But I want to emphasize that I would like to respect the wish of the
>> original developer in this case. Probably he has some emotions around
>> this and I don't want to force a name change.
>
> I'd like to think I accept how others feel and clearly someone gave
> this code base a name, but it does not fit in [commons] and does
> nothing to promote itself as what it is: a Java image library. In this
> case, the emotional value of the name to one (more?) person is unknown
> and I would argue irrelevant.
>
> Gary
>
> PS: What does it even mean? Googling it reveals pages of references to itself.
>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Gary Gregory <gg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>
>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for Image. Like it very much and fits better
>
> But I want to emphasize that I would like to respect the wish of the
> original developer in this case. Probably he has some emotions around
> this and I don't want to force a name change.
I'd like to think I accept how others feel and clearly someone gave
this code base a name, but it does not fit in [commons] and does
nothing to promote itself as what it is: a Java image library. In this
case, the emotional value of the name to one (more?) person is unknown
and I would argue irrelevant.
Gary
PS: What does it even mean? Googling it reveals pages of references to itself.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Gary Gregory <gg...@apache.org> wrote:
>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>
>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>> and so on.
>>
>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>
>> Gary
>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Image. Like it very much and fits better
But I want to emphasize that I would like to respect the wish of the
original developer in this case. Probably he has some emotions around
this and I don't want to force a name change.
Cheers
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Gary Gregory <gg...@apache.org> wrote:
> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>
> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> and so on.
>
> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> Gary
>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 19/12/2011 18:25, Matt Benson a écrit :
> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more appropriate.
You are right, and that's in line with the well known Java Advanced
Imaging API.
Emmanuel Bourg
Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de>.
Matt Benson wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>> +1 for renaming
>>
>> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
>> prefer the plural form.
>
> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
> appropriate.
+1
- Jörg
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
2011/12/21 sebb <se...@gmail.com>:
> On 21 December 2011 12:14, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:12, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
>>>
>>> Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
>>>
>>> Commons Image
>>> Commons Imaging
>>> Commons JIL
>>>
>>> But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
>>
>> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
>
> Just about to suggest that myself.
>
>> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
>> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
>>
Oracle's imageio has notable bug that we had to mention in Tomcat FAQ
http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/KnownIssues
If "imageio" is a package name that is OK, but if it is a component
name I think it might cause confusion.
>From proposals thus far I like "Commons Imaging" the most.
(Not binding).
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 21 December 2011 12:14, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:12, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
>>
>> Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
>>
>> Commons Image
>> Commons Imaging
>> Commons JIL
>>
>> But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
>
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
Just about to suggest that myself.
> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
>
> Gary
>
>>
>> On 21 December 2011 03:04, James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>> +1 for commons-imaging
>>> On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> +1 for renaming
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
>>>> prefer
>>>>> the plural form.
>>>>
>>>> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
>>>> appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:12, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
>>
>> Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
>>
>> Commons Image
>> Commons Imaging
>> Commons JIL
>>
>> But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
>
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
>
> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
+1 thats great
Cheers
>
> Gary
>
>>
>> On 21 December 2011 03:04, James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>>> +1 for commons-imaging
>>> On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> +1 for renaming
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
>>>> prefer
>>>>> the plural form.
>>>>
>>>> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
>>>> appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.>> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.>> Gary
nice idea, Gary!!! :)
+1, I like it!
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Le 21/12/2011 13:14, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>
>
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
>>
>> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
>> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
>>
>
> How far do we want to go with javax.imageio integration? Do we intend to
> implement the service provider interfaces in javax.imageio.spi?
>
That seems like a reasonable path for the future. The question is why would
we not go towards javax.imageio integration?
Because we support Android is one answer but that is out of scope now as
far as I am concerned.
If you started [imageio/imaging] today, would you avoid using
javax.imageio?
Gary
> If the project interoperates only marginally with imageio I would prefer
> "Imaging" as the new name.
>
> Emmanuel Bourg
>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/12/2011 13:14, Gary Gregory a écrit :
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
>
> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
How far do we want to go with javax.imageio integration? Do we intend to
implement the service provider interfaces in javax.imageio.spi?
If the project interoperates only marginally with imageio I would prefer
"Imaging" as the new name.
Emmanuel Bourg
Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:12, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
> >
> > Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and
> JCI.
> >
> > Commons Image
> > Commons Imaging
> > Commons JIL
> >
> > But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
>
> Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
>
> That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
> javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
>
Actually javax.imageio was already there in Java 1.4.2.
Gary
> Gary
>
> >
> > On 21 December 2011 03:04, James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com>
> wrote:
> >> +1 for commons-imaging
> >> On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> +1 for renaming
> >>>>
> >>>> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
> >>> prefer
> >>>> the plural form.
> >>>
> >>> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
> >>> appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Emmanuel Bourg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO],
> [Net],
> >>>>> and so on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:12, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
>
> Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
>
> Commons Image
> Commons Imaging
> Commons JIL
>
> But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
Let's not forget the obvious: imageio.
That fits in the Java 5 and commons naming nicely. Java 5 provides
javax.imageio, which we should take advantage of if possible.
Gary
>
> On 21 December 2011 03:04, James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
>> +1 for commons-imaging
>> On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> +1 for renaming
>>>>
>>>> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
>>> prefer
>>>> the plural form.
>>>
>>> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>>>
>>>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/12/2011 13:11, sebb a écrit :
> Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
JIL could be confused with JJIL, another Java image processing library:
http://code.google.com/p/jjil
Emmanuel Bourg
Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
I slightly prefer Imaging to Image as well.
Could also call it JIL - Java Imaging Library - by analogy with JCS and JCI.
Commons Image
Commons Imaging
Commons JIL
But I'm not sure that's any better than Imaging.
On 21 December 2011 03:04, James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> +1 for commons-imaging
> On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > +1 for renaming
>> >
>> > What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
>> prefer
>> > the plural form.
>>
>> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
>> appropriate.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> >
>> > Emmanuel Bourg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>> >
>> >> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>> >>
>> >> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>> >> and so on.
>> >>
>> >> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>> >>
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by James Carman <jc...@carmanconsulting.com>.
+1 for commons-imaging
On Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM, "Matt Benson" <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > +1 for renaming
> >
> > What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
> prefer
> > the plural form.
>
> Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more
> appropriate.
>
> Matt
>
> >
> > Emmanuel Bourg
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
> >
> >> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
> >>
> >> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> >> and so on.
> >>
> >> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Matt Benson <gu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 for renaming
>
> What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to prefer
> the plural form.
Having introduce alternatives, [imaging] strikes me as even more appropriate.
Matt
>
> Emmanuel Bourg
>
>
>
> Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
>
>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>
>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>> and so on.
>>
>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
+1 for renaming
What's the best choice, Commons Images or Commons Image ? I tend to
prefer the plural form.
Emmanuel Bourg
Le 19/12/2011 15:54, Gary Gregory a écrit :
> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>
> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> and so on.
>
> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> Gary
>
Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
My +1
Gary
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Gary Gregory <gg...@apache.org> wrote:
> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>
> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net], and
> so on.
>
> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> Gary
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
>> I think every decision can be revisited at any time, if the> participants of this project feel the need to do so. There is no> decision carved in stone and I am pretty surprised you are> "disappointed" just because something is discussed again - after all,> 2.5 years are a long time. Actually I think revisiting old decisions> from time to time is the key for the progress of a project.>
+1 couldn't find better words!
even the bible is subject to different interpretations and religious
can change their mind about their religion, there's no reason to lock
down components just because some decisions were taken in past eras.
long live to proactive people taking care of Commons Imaging/Image/ImageIO!
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Damjan Jovanovic <da...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 19/12/2011 14:54, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
> >>
> >> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> >> and so on.
> >>
> >> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
> >
> > -1.
> >
> > The naming decision was made by the community when Sanselan joined
> > Commons 2.5 years ago [1] and I see no reason to revisit that decision.
> > I am rather disappointed to see this being rehashed after the issue has
> > already been resolved.
>
> I think every decision can be revisited at any time, if the
> participants of this project feel the need to do so. There is no
> decision carved in stone and I am pretty surprised you are
> "disappointed" just because something is discussed again - after all,
> 2.5 years are a long time. Actually I think revisiting old decisions
> from time to time is the key for the progress of a project.
>
> > Not all Commons components have functional names. If the Sanselan
> > community wants to use that name then I have no problem with that.
>
> I agree, even when I like Commons Image (et al) better. I have not
> seen Charles speaking up on this matter, I hope he is still around.
>
> Anyway it should be the Commons Community and the Sanselan Component.
>
> Looking at this: http://bit.ly/tZc8Tf
> Most people participating on Sanselan are discussing the rename change.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
Your biggest participant on Sanselan in terms of functional code (ie. image
stuff) in the past year is me, and I haven't said anything until now :).
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and I am neither
particularly for nor against a rename. But if we do rename Sanselan, I
would most like the new name to be Imaging.
Damjan
Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 19/12/2011 14:54, Gary Gregory wrote:
>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>
>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>> and so on.
>>
>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> -1.
>
> The naming decision was made by the community when Sanselan joined
> Commons 2.5 years ago [1] and I see no reason to revisit that decision.
> I am rather disappointed to see this being rehashed after the issue has
> already been resolved.
I think every decision can be revisited at any time, if the
participants of this project feel the need to do so. There is no
decision carved in stone and I am pretty surprised you are
"disappointed" just because something is discussed again - after all,
2.5 years are a long time. Actually I think revisiting old decisions
from time to time is the key for the progress of a project.
> Not all Commons components have functional names. If the Sanselan
> community wants to use that name then I have no problem with that.
I agree, even when I like Commons Image (et al) better. I have not
seen Charles speaking up on this matter, I hope he is still around.
Anyway it should be the Commons Community and the Sanselan Component.
Looking at this: http://bit.ly/tZc8Tf
Most people participating on Sanselan are discussing the rename change.
Cheers
Christian
>
> Mark
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/zn4y4ah2x4crgsow
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>.
>> Hello,
>> I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
>> commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
>> know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
>> would be better suited?
>
> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>
That's true, and if this project was to move to image analysis in the
future, I would happily contribute!
Sébastien
>
> +1 to that
>
> Jochen
>
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Re: [RESULT][ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Luc Maisonobe <Lu...@free.fr> wrote:
> Le 28/12/2011 11:06, Christian Grobmeier a écrit :
>> just for the record, I am meanwhile on the pmc :-)
>> I was just not aware of the page below, I use:
>> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#commons-pmc
>
> The page you use is up to date and probably automatically generated (I
> removed Phil yesterday and the current page takes this change into account).
Yes, it is automatically generated. if I remember correctly this has
been done by Joe Schaefer or by Sam Ruby.
> How is the other page (<http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html>)
> generated ? We should update it.
I think this is manually done, I can update it and add my name and add
a "emeritus" to Phils name.
Cheers
Christian
>
> Luc
>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Part 1: This vote passes.
>>> Part 2: New name: Commons Imaging
>>>
>>> Part 1: This vote passes.
>>>
>>> 6 PMC +1s:
>>> Emmanuel Bourg: Commons Imaging
>>> Jörg Schaible: Commons Image
>>> Henri Biestro: Commons Image
>>> James Carman: Commons Imaging
>>> Jochen Wiedmann: Commons Imaging
>>> Gary Gregory: Commons Imaging or Commons ImageIO
>>>
>>> 3 PMC positive replies (but not "+1"):
>>> Matt Benson: Commons Imaging
>>> Sebastian Bazley: Commons Imaging, Commons ImageIO
>>> Simone Tripodi: Commons ImageIO
>>>
>>> 3 Non-PMC positives:
>>> Christian Grobmeier: Commons ImageIO
>>> Damjan Jovanovic: Commons Imaging
>>> Konstantin Kolinko: Commons Imaging
>>>
>>> -0:
>>> Paul Benedict
>>>
>>> -1s:
>>> Mark Thomas (PMC)
>>>
>>> PMC = http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html
>>>
>>> Part 2: New name.
>>>
>>> Commons Imaging: 6
>>> Commons ImageIO: 4
>>> Commons Image: 2
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> and from +1, for "Commons ImageIO" or "Commons Imaging". I'll tally this
>>>> thread.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
>>>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
>>>>>> commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
>>>>>> know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
>>>>>> would be better suited?
>>>>>
>>>>> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
>>>>> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
>>>>> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to that
>>>>>
>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> “Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told.
>>>>> Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.”
>>>>>
>>>>> H. L. Mencken (c.1925)
>>>>>
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Re: [RESULT][ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Luc Maisonobe <Lu...@free.fr>.
Le 28/12/2011 11:06, Christian Grobmeier a écrit :
> just for the record, I am meanwhile on the pmc :-)
> I was just not aware of the page below, I use:
> http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#commons-pmc
The page you use is up to date and probably automatically generated (I
removed Phil yesterday and the current page takes this change into account).
How is the other page (<http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html>)
generated ? We should update it.
Luc
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Part 1: This vote passes.
>> Part 2: New name: Commons Imaging
>>
>> Part 1: This vote passes.
>>
>> 6 PMC +1s:
>> Emmanuel Bourg: Commons Imaging
>> Jörg Schaible: Commons Image
>> Henri Biestro: Commons Image
>> James Carman: Commons Imaging
>> Jochen Wiedmann: Commons Imaging
>> Gary Gregory: Commons Imaging or Commons ImageIO
>>
>> 3 PMC positive replies (but not "+1"):
>> Matt Benson: Commons Imaging
>> Sebastian Bazley: Commons Imaging, Commons ImageIO
>> Simone Tripodi: Commons ImageIO
>>
>> 3 Non-PMC positives:
>> Christian Grobmeier: Commons ImageIO
>> Damjan Jovanovic: Commons Imaging
>> Konstantin Kolinko: Commons Imaging
>>
>> -0:
>> Paul Benedict
>>
>> -1s:
>> Mark Thomas (PMC)
>>
>> PMC = http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html
>>
>> Part 2: New name.
>>
>> Commons Imaging: 6
>> Commons ImageIO: 4
>> Commons Image: 2
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> and from +1, for "Commons ImageIO" or "Commons Imaging". I'll tally this
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
>>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
>>>>> commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
>>>>> know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
>>>>> would be better suited?
>>>>
>>>> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
>>>> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
>>>> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>>>>
>>>> +1 to that
>>>>
>>>> Jochen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> “Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told.
>>>> Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.”
>>>>
>>>> H. L. Mencken (c.1925)
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Re: [RESULT][ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
just for the record, I am meanwhile on the pmc :-)
I was just not aware of the page below, I use:
http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#commons-pmc
Cheers
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Part 1: This vote passes.
> Part 2: New name: Commons Imaging
>
> Part 1: This vote passes.
>
> 6 PMC +1s:
> Emmanuel Bourg: Commons Imaging
> Jörg Schaible: Commons Image
> Henri Biestro: Commons Image
> James Carman: Commons Imaging
> Jochen Wiedmann: Commons Imaging
> Gary Gregory: Commons Imaging or Commons ImageIO
>
> 3 PMC positive replies (but not "+1"):
> Matt Benson: Commons Imaging
> Sebastian Bazley: Commons Imaging, Commons ImageIO
> Simone Tripodi: Commons ImageIO
>
> 3 Non-PMC positives:
> Christian Grobmeier: Commons ImageIO
> Damjan Jovanovic: Commons Imaging
> Konstantin Kolinko: Commons Imaging
>
> -0:
> Paul Benedict
>
> -1s:
> Mark Thomas (PMC)
>
> PMC = http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html
>
> Part 2: New name.
>
> Commons Imaging: 6
> Commons ImageIO: 4
> Commons Image: 2
>
> Gary
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> and from +1, for "Commons ImageIO" or "Commons Imaging". I'll tally this
>> thread.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
>>> > Hello,
>>> > I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
>>> > commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
>>> > know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
>>> > would be better suited?
>>>
>>> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
>>> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
>>> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>>>
>>> +1 to that
>>>
>>> Jochen
>>>
>>> --
>>> “Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told.
>>> Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.”
>>>
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Re: [RESULT][ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Jörg Schaible <jo...@gmx.de>.
Gary Gregory wrote:
> Part 1: This vote passes.
> Part 2: New name: Commons Imaging
>
> Part 1: This vote passes.
>
> 6 PMC +1s:
> Emmanuel Bourg: Commons Imaging
> Jörg Schaible: Commons Image
My preference was Commons Imaging, see
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/126293
> Henri Biestro: Commons Image
> James Carman: Commons Imaging
> Jochen Wiedmann: Commons Imaging
> Gary Gregory: Commons Imaging or Commons ImageIO
>
> 3 PMC positive replies (but not "+1"):
> Matt Benson: Commons Imaging
> Sebastian Bazley: Commons Imaging, Commons ImageIO
> Simone Tripodi: Commons ImageIO
>
> 3 Non-PMC positives:
> Christian Grobmeier: Commons ImageIO
> Damjan Jovanovic: Commons Imaging
> Konstantin Kolinko: Commons Imaging
>
> -0:
> Paul Benedict
>
> -1s:
> Mark Thomas (PMC)
>
> PMC = http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html
>
> Part 2: New name.
>
> Commons Imaging: 6
> Commons ImageIO: 4
> Commons Image: 2
>
> Gary
[snip]
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[RESULT][ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
Part 1: This vote passes.
Part 2: New name: Commons Imaging
Part 1: This vote passes.
6 PMC +1s:
Emmanuel Bourg: Commons Imaging
Jörg Schaible: Commons Image
Henri Biestro: Commons Image
James Carman: Commons Imaging
Jochen Wiedmann: Commons Imaging
Gary Gregory: Commons Imaging or Commons ImageIO
3 PMC positive replies (but not "+1"):
Matt Benson: Commons Imaging
Sebastian Bazley: Commons Imaging, Commons ImageIO
Simone Tripodi: Commons ImageIO
3 Non-PMC positives:
Christian Grobmeier: Commons ImageIO
Damjan Jovanovic: Commons Imaging
Konstantin Kolinko: Commons Imaging
-0:
Paul Benedict
-1s:
Mark Thomas (PMC)
PMC = http://commons.apache.org/team-list.html
Part 2: New name.
Commons Imaging: 6
Commons ImageIO: 4
Commons Image: 2
Gary
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>wrote:
> and from +1, for "Commons ImageIO" or "Commons Imaging". I'll tally this
> thread.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
>> > Hello,
>> > I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
>> > commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
>> > know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
>> > would be better suited?
>>
>> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
>> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
>> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>>
>> +1 to that
>>
>> Jochen
>>
>> --
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>> Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.”
>>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.
and from +1, for "Commons ImageIO" or "Commons Imaging". I'll tally this
thread.
Gary
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jochen Wiedmann
<jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
> > Hello,
> > I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
> > commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
> > know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
> > would be better suited?
>
> Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
> state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
> consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
>
> +1 to that
>
> Jochen
>
> --
> “Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told.
> Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.”
>
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
2011/12/22 Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>:
> Hello,
> I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
> commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
> know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
> would be better suited?
Although you are possibly right with regards to the projects current
state, I see no necessity to indicate restrictions in the name. So I'd
consider "imaging" a perfectly valid name.
+1 to that
Jochen
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Sébastien Brisard <se...@m4x.org>.
Hello,
I am no native english speaker, but it seems to me that
commons-imaging would suggest image analysis tools, while (as far as I
know) sanselan is devoted to IO. In which case, maybe commons-imageio
would be better suited?
Sébastien
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Jörg Schaible <Jo...@scalaris.com>.
Hi Mark,
Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 22/12/2011 13:00, Paul Benedict wrote:
>> -0
>> I think project names are ASF property (like a trademark). Without
>> clarification from the board or legal, the vote seems premature.
>
> Projects are free to change the name of a component whenever they like.
> Changing the name of a TLP requires board approval.
>
> There are obviously several things to be taken into consideration when
> considering a name change including:
> - how well know is the current name
> - impact on existing users
> - Maven artefact names
> - searching for old name
> - changes to build systems to use new name
> - bunch of other stuff I haven't thought of
> - effort required be dev community
> - update code
> - update website
> - update Jira + other supporting systems
> - bunch of other stuff I haven't thought of
> - benefits of the change
>
> I haven't seen much discussion of the relative pros and cons of this
> change so far.
Because the name discussion started after we recognized that we will break
the API with version 1.0 and therefore need a new package and Maven artifact
name. That means a lot of these topics above are affected independently of
an additional new name of the artifact.
- Jörg
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 22/12/2011 13:00, Paul Benedict wrote:
> -0
> I think project names are ASF property (like a trademark). Without
> clarification from the board or legal, the vote seems premature.
Projects are free to change the name of a component whenever they like.
Changing the name of a TLP requires board approval.
There are obviously several things to be taken into consideration when
considering a name change including:
- how well know is the current name
- impact on existing users
- Maven artefact names
- searching for old name
- changes to build systems to use new name
- bunch of other stuff I haven't thought of
- effort required be dev community
- update code
- update website
- update Jira + other supporting systems
- bunch of other stuff I haven't thought of
- benefits of the change
I haven't seen much discussion of the relative pros and cons of this
change so far.
Mark
> On Dec 22, 2011 5:32 AM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 19/12/2011 14:54, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>>
>>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>
>> -1.
>>
>> The naming decision was made by the community when Sanselan joined
>> Commons 2.5 years ago [1] and I see no reason to revisit that decision.
>> I am rather disappointed to see this being rehashed after the issue has
>> already been resolved.
>>
>> Not all Commons components have functional names. If the Sanselan
>> community wants to use that name then I have no problem with that.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/zn4y4ah2x4crgsow
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
-0
I think project names are ASF property (like a trademark). Without
clarification from the board or legal, the vote seems premature.
On Dec 22, 2011 5:32 AM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 19/12/2011 14:54, Gary Gregory wrote:
> > This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
> >
> > The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> > and so on.
> >
> > This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> -1.
>
> The naming decision was made by the community when Sanselan joined
> Commons 2.5 years ago [1] and I see no reason to revisit that decision.
> I am rather disappointed to see this being rehashed after the issue has
> already been resolved.
>
> Not all Commons components have functional names. If the Sanselan
> community wants to use that name then I have no problem with that.
>
> Mark
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/thread/zn4y4ah2x4crgsow
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 19/12/2011 14:54, Gary Gregory wrote:
> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>
> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> and so on.
>
> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
-1.
The naming decision was made by the community when Sanselan joined
Commons 2.5 years ago [1] and I see no reason to revisit that decision.
I am rather disappointed to see this being rehashed after the issue has
already been resolved.
Not all Commons components have functional names. If the Sanselan
community wants to use that name then I have no problem with that.
Mark
[1] http://markmail.org/thread/zn4y4ah2x4crgsow
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 19 December 2011 17:16, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/11 7:54 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>>
>> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
>> and so on.
>>
>> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>>
>> Gary
>>
> Why are we voting on this? This kind of decision should be made by
> consensus, and ideally driven by those committing on the component.
> I agree with the suggestion to change the name; but I would like to
> hear from the community contributing to and/or using [sanselan].
I suggested involving the entire Commons community because component
names affect the whole of Commons - they are all in the same
namespace.
Also, was not sure if there are any implications for the ASF - for
example I assume Commons cannot suddenly decide to rename itself
without formal approval.
Sanselan was voted in to Commons via the Incubator; is the name an
important part of that?
> Phil
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Re: [ALL][VOTE] Rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 12/19/11 7:54 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> This is a VOTE to [ALL] to rename Commons Sanselan to Commons Image.
>
> The drive is to have a meaningful obvious name like [Lang], [IO], [Net],
> and so on.
>
> This VOTE is open until December 22, 10AM EST.
>
> Gary
>
Why are we voting on this? This kind of decision should be made by
consensus, and ideally driven by those committing on the component.
I agree with the suggestion to change the name; but I would like to
hear from the community contributing to and/or using [sanselan].
Phil
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