[jira] [Comment Edited] (LEGAL-519) ASF Apache 2 with a SaaS restriction

["Jean-Baptiste Briaud (Jira)" <ji...@apache.org>]

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Jean-Baptiste Briaud edited comment on LEGAL-519 at 5/30/20, 12:54 PM:
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[~iemejia] This is what Confluent did, they manage to make it possible open source with SaaS restriction (see links in the ticket), so I was wondering why not with ASF? It would be better. I think it is a need.
 I agree with you open source should be freedom, that's why I feel AGPL, despite restricting SaaS, doesn't fit the need. They simply forbid network use (which restrict SaaS too) and it is sticky like GPL.

 

[~webmink] yes, definitively for contributing to open source for new project but I can't tell you too much for now. In short: a language (a compiler) then, some app programmed with this language.
 Also, I really feel this would satisfy a need and it would be good for ASF as it would increase Apache license adoption.

I also plan to contribute to Netbeans, Ant, JPA. Anything related to Java, Swing, but I'll need time to learn how it is done internally. It will take time, but I'd like to. Probably started with Netbeans ... Not sure then to fully know where to start/look.
I already signed the agreement.


was (Author: j-bb):
[~iemejia] This is what Confluent did, they manage to make it possible open source with SaaS restriction (see links in the ticket), so I was wondering why not with ASF? It would be better. I think it is a need.
I agree with you open source should be freedom, that's why I feel AGPL, despite restricting SaaS, doesn't fit the need. They simply forbid network use (which restrict SaaS too) and it is sticky like GPL.

 

[~webmink] yes, definitively for contributing to open source for new project but I can't tell you too much for now. In short: a language (a compiler) then, some app programmed with this language.
Also, I really feel this would satisfy a need and it would be good for ASF as it would increase Apache license adoption.

> ASF Apache 2 with a SaaS restriction
> ------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: LEGAL-519
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-519
>             Project: Legal Discuss
>          Issue Type: Question
>            Reporter: Jean-Baptiste Briaud
>            Priority: Major
>
> Hi,
> I'm seeking for a open source license and would like to use Apache 2.
> I'd like to protect from the licensed software to be simply, directly (not part of something bigger) put, as SaaS. I'd like to keep for myself (copyright owner) only this possibility.
> I'm wondering about a SaaS clause:
>  * an ASF license,
>  * all Apache 2 permissions and restrictions,
>  * without permission for SaaS only use
> To clarify the later, I'm thinking about an ASF version of this one : 
> [https://www.confluent.io/confluent-community-license]
> Other pointers:
> [https://hub.packtpub.com/confluent-an-apache-kafka-service-provider-adopts-a-new-license-to-fight-against-cloud-service-providers/]
> [https://www.confluent.io/confluent-community-license-faq/]
>  
> AGPL doesn't fit he need despite having a "SaaS loophole" closed:
>  * too restrictive: forbid any network use, not just put in "SaaS without added value"
>  (I know "added value" is impossible to define, but I also feel SaaS restriction is a need)
>  * plus all GPL things, too far from permissive license spirit.
>  
> Ideally, I'm seeking for a good Apache 2 license (permissive, precise, ASF) with a SaaS restrictive option/version.
> What do you think?



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