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Posted to marketing@cloudstack.apache.org by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com> on 2015/03/05 17:41:20 UTC
Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
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Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Yep: I wholly agree :^) Thanks again, Will!
Warmly,
Sally
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 17:25
Subject: Re: or website
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
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vox +1 617 921 8656
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skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
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Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Yep: I wholly agree :^) Thanks again, Will!
Warmly,
Sally
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 17:25
Subject: Re: or website
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Yep: I wholly agree :^) Thanks again, Will!
Warmly,
Sally
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 17:25
Subject: Re: or website
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement
of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it
easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always
easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are
usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical
implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks, Will.
>
> Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective
> with our introspection.
>
> I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel
> free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
>
> Warmly,
> Sally
>
>
> = = = = =
> vox +1 617 921 8656
> off2 +1 646 583 3362
> skype sallykhudairi
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
> *To:* "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally
> Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>;
> "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
> *Subject:* Re: or website
>
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
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> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
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>
>
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>
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Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement
of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it
easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always
easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are
usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical
implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks, Will.
>
> Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective
> with our introspection.
>
> I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel
> free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
>
> Warmly,
> Sally
>
>
> = = = = =
> vox +1 617 921 8656
> off2 +1 646 583 3362
> skype sallykhudairi
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
> *To:* "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally
> Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>;
> "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
> *Subject:* Re: or website
>
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
>
> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
No risk of bikeshedding. We are all working in the same direction. :)
This thread has the tall order of trying to align the technical improvement
of how we actually manage and deliver the website as well as making it
easier for us to better market the strengths of ACS. This is not always
easy because the people in the best position to add the marketing flare are
usually not the same people who actually maintain the technical
implementation of the site.
All constructive feedback is helpful in this process. :)
Will
On Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM, "Sally Khudairi" <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks, Will.
>
> Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective
> with our introspection.
>
> I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel
> free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
>
> Warmly,
> Sally
>
>
> = = = = =
> vox +1 617 921 8656
> off2 +1 646 583 3362
> skype sallykhudairi
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
> *To:* "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally
> Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>;
> "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
> *Subject:* Re: or website
>
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
>
> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
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Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
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Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Thanks, Will.
Right: I got that. I just wanted to make sure that we remain objective with our introspection.
I'll step aside now for fear of triggering semantic bikeshedding. Feel free to ping if you need anything from the ASF side.
Warmly,Sally
= = = = =
vox +1 617 921 8656
off2 +1 646 583 3362
skype sallykhudairi
From: Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>; Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 16:51
Subject: Re: or website
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
Will STEVENSLead Developer
CloudOps | Cloud Solutions Experts420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6w cloudops.com | tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
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RE: or website
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
I would like to add to Ian's point in relation to deciding who and what the website is for. I'd add that I feel that we're too developer focused and that we intimidate new (and existing) users. At the end of the day there's no in point developing for developing's sake right. So I would like to see a much more 'potential and current CloudStack' user friendly website.
Regards
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus
paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 06 March 2015 01:53
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Sally Khudairi; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: or website
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that
> message with some more interesting marketing that will better
> illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for
> > Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of
> > hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will
> > have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud
> > Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just
> > Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a
> > complete overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g> Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only
> > informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and
> > to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission
> > of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What
> > problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the
> > way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product
> > that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be
> > upgraded for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to
> > open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the
> > market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or
> > hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can
> > intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make
> > CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring
> > more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav
> > <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think
> > the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not
> > archaic svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the
> > gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use
> > Jekyll based website since the link
> > (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by
> > Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is
> > hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in
> > > our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF
> > > root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead
> > > of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack
> > > at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment
> > framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
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> Blue
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> Brasil
> > and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty
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RE: or website
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
I would like to add to Ian's point in relation to deciding who and what the website is for. I'd add that I feel that we're too developer focused and that we intimidate new (and existing) users. At the end of the day there's no in point developing for developing's sake right. So I would like to see a much more 'potential and current CloudStack' user friendly website.
Regards
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus
paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 06 March 2015 01:53
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Sally Khudairi; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: or website
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that
> message with some more interesting marketing that will better
> illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
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> Lead Developer
>
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> @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for
> > Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of
> > hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will
> > have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud
> > Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just
> > Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a
> > complete overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g> Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only
> > informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and
> > to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission
> > of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What
> > problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the
> > way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product
> > that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be
> > upgraded for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to
> > open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the
> > market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or
> > hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can
> > intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make
> > CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring
> > more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav
> > <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think
> > the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not
> > archaic svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the
> > gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use
> > Jekyll based website since the link
> > (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by
> > Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is
> > hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in
> > > our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF
> > > root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead
> > > of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack
> > > at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment
> > framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
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RE: or website
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
I would like to add to Ian's point in relation to deciding who and what the website is for. I'd add that I feel that we're too developer focused and that we intimidate new (and existing) users. At the end of the day there's no in point developing for developing's sake right. So I would like to see a much more 'potential and current CloudStack' user friendly website.
Regards
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 06 March 2015 01:53
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Sally Khudairi; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: or website
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that
> message with some more interesting marketing that will better
> illustrate the value proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for
> > Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of
> > hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will
> > have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud
> > Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just
> > Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a
> > complete overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g> Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only
> > informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and
> > to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission
> > of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What
> > problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the
> > way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product
> > that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be
> > upgraded for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to
> > open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the
> > market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or
> > hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can
> > intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make
> > CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring
> > more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav
> > <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think
> > the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not
> > archaic svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the
> > gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use
> > Jekyll based website since the link
> > (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by
> > Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is
> > hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in
> > > our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF
> > > root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead
> > > of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack
> > > at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment
> > framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
> > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are
> > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is
> > addressed. Any views
> or
> > opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
> > necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies.
> > If you are not
> the
> > intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action
> > based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please
> > contact the
> sender
> > if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd
> > is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services
> > India LLP is
> a
> > company incorporated in India and is operated under license from
> > Shape
> Blue
> > Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> > and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty
> > Ltd
> is
> > a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded
> > under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> >
> >
> >
>
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t *514.944.4008*
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Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
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Re: or website
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at
the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily
thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark
matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect
with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in
making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise
on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> > professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> > managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> > but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> > overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> > Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> > and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> > for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> > source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> > did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> > with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> > accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> > gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> > svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> > branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> > website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> > built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> > Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
> > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
> or
> > opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> > represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
> the
> > intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> > upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
> sender
> > if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> > company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
> a
> > company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
> Blue
> > Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> > and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
> is
> > a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> > license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
> >
> > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> > cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> >
> >
> >
>
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t *514.944.4008*
*CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
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Re: or website
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at
the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily
thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark
matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect
with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in
making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise
on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> > professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> > managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> > but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> > overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> > Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> > and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> > for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> > source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> > did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> > with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> > accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> > gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> > svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> > branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> > website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> > built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> > Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
> > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
> or
> > opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> > represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
> the
> > intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> > upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
> sender
> > if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> > company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
> a
> > company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
> Blue
> > Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> > and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
> is
> > a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> > license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
> >
> > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> > cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> >
> >
> >
>
--
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PDG *| *CEO
t *514.944.4008*
*CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
w cloudops.com <http://www.cloudops.com/> *|* 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|*
Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
<https://www.cloud.ca/>
<http://www.cloudops.com/2014/11/cloudops-tops-deloittes-technology-fast-50/>
Re: or website
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Yep thanks Will. As a formerly-quite-technical founder I'm always amazed at
the difference between what is actually true and what the market perceives.
Cloud computing as a whole suffers greatly from this challenge (primarily
thanks to "cloud washing"). Sometimes I refer to CloudStack as the dark
matter of cloud computing, vitally important but not too easy to detect
with all the other heat and light happening. There is a big opportunity in
making it more accessible, that said it doesn't mean we have to compromise
on what it is.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
> completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
> with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
> proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
>
> Will
>
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
> sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NOT SO FAST.
> > Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> > Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> > "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> > professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> > managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a
> major
> > impact on their hiring decisions..."
> >
> > So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> > but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and
> related
> > campaigns/taglines.
> > Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> > overhaul.
> > Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> > Cheers,Sally
> > From: Ian Rae <irae@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> users@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>; "
> > marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>" <
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> > Subject: Re: or website
> >
> > Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> > and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter.
> But I
> > think there is a greater purpose.
> > I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> > communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to
> some
> > extent aligns the community itself.
> > So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally
> attractive
> > design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of
> the
> > community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem
> does
> > CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way
> the
> > market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that
> works
> > out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> > for long term supportability).
> > Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing".
> I'm
> > not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> > source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> > did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services
> seems
> > to be "cloud").
> > Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> > with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> > accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to
> the
> > community.
> > Ian
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> > gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> > svn :)
> >
> > I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> > branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> > website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> > built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for
> non-master
> > branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> > Github and uses Jekyll.
> >
> > > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with
> today's
> > website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> > >
> > > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> > repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > And it builds:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> > >
> > > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> > repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> > using svn or the apache CMS.
> > >
> > > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> > modern design for cloudstack ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > -sebastien
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
> >
> >
> >
> > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >
> > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> > CloudStack Software Engineering<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >
> > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
> or
> > opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> > represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
> the
> > intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> > upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
> sender
> > if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> > company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
> a
> > company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
> Blue
> > Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> > and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
> is
> > a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> > license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
> >
> > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> > cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> >
> >
> >
>
--
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PDG *| *CEO
t *514.944.4008*
*CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
w cloudops.com <http://www.cloudops.com/> *|* 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|*
Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
<https://www.cloud.ca/>
<http://www.cloudops.com/2014/11/cloudops-tops-deloittes-technology-fast-50/>
Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer
*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
>
> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
>
>
>
Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer
*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
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>
Re: or website
Posted by Will Stevens <ws...@cloudops.com>.
I don't think that Ian was suggesting that we get rid of that wording
completely. I think he was saying that we could supplement that message
with some more interesting marketing that will better illustrate the value
proposition of ACS and how it is differentiated.
Will
*Will STEVENS*
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*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Sally Khudairi <
sallykhudairi@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> NOT SO FAST.
> Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
> Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
> "The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux
> professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring
> managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major
> impact on their hiring decisions..."
>
> So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing",
> but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related
> campaigns/taglines.
> Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete
> overhaul.
> Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
> Cheers,Sally
> From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
> To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
> Subject: Re: or website
>
> Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational
> and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I
> think there is a greater purpose.
> I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but
> communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some
> extent aligns the community itself.
> So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive
> design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the
> community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does
> CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the
> market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works
> out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded
> for long term supportability).
> Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm
> not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open
> source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it
> did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems
> to be "cloud").
> Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect
> with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more
> accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the
> community.
> Ian
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the
> gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic
> svn :)
>
> I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages
> branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based
> website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be
> built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master
> branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on
> Github and uses Jekyll.
>
> > On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's
> website and does not portray our project in a good way.
> >
> > I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our
> repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> > It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > And it builds:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
> >
> > I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root
> repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> > That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of
> using svn or the apache CMS.
> >
> > Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a
> modern design for cloudstack ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -sebastien
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Software Engineering<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
>
> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw
> cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
>
>
>
Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>.
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
Re: or website
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
NOT SO FAST.
Whilst it's old hat to us, it's still relevant.
Per the 2015 Linux Jobs Report published yesterday:
"The rise of open cloud platforms is creating even more demand for Linux professionals with the right expertise. Forty-two percent of hiring managers say that experience in OpenStack and CloudStack will have a major impact on their hiring decisions..."
So I think it _is_ important that we keep "Open Source Cloud Computing", but perhaps augment to more closely align with our "Just Works" and related campaigns/taglines.
Whilst we may need a bit of Botox, it's not necessary to have a complete overhaul.
Thanks for including us in the dialogue, Ian <g>
Cheers,Sally
From: Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>
To: "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <de...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: "users@cloudstack.apache.org" <us...@cloudstack.apache.org>; "marketing@cloudstack.apache.org" <ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 11:41
Subject: Re: or website
Recommend we start with the purpose of the website. If only informational and logistics, documentation and code then perhaps it doesn't matter. But I think there is a greater purpose.
I would argue it not only represents our project and community, but communicates our project and community to the rest of the world and to some extent aligns the community itself.
So I agree with Seb that having a modern, professional, ideally attractive design is very important. Equally important that the vision, mission of the community be clear and accessible, and ideally, exciting! What problem does CloudStack solve better than anything else? Does it solve it in the way the market is looking for (i.e. costs nothing for a complete product that works out of box, vendor neutral, runs easily and reliably and can be upgraded for long term supportability).
Today if you glance at the site you see "Open Source Cloud Computing". I'm not sure that's very helpful in an age where everything is moving to open source and cloud computing no longer seems to mean in the market what it did in 2008 (pretty much every web or mobile app or hosting services seems to be "cloud").
Cross posting this discussion to marketing, hopefully this can intersect with renewed investment by the community members to make CloudStack more accessible to the rest of the world and thus bring more participants to the community.
Ian
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Hi Sebastien,
I really like the initiative, while cms.apache.org is handy I think the gh-pages repo looks neat plus we can continue to use git and not archaic svn :)
I think we can then perhaps have an automated way to build the gh-pages branch and copy the htmls to cms etc. Should we also use Jekyll based website since the link (http://apache.github.io/cloudstack/) will be built automatically by Github (need to confirm, if it allows for non-master branches)? I’ve some Jekyll based experience, my website too is hosted on Github and uses Jekyll.
> On 05-Mar-2015, at 8:01 pm, Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The website has been bugging me greatly, it's not up to par with today's website and does not portray our project in a good way.
>
> I decided to try something quick. I created a gh-pages branch in our repo, orphaned from the rest of the code based and pushed that.
> It shows up on github due to the mirroring:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> And it builds:
>
> https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/tree/gh-pages
>
> I believe that's nice, it allows us to keep the website under ASF root repo but the mirroring allows us to use github pages.
> That means we can take pull requests to build our website instead of using svn or the apache CMS.
>
> Any amazing web designer on these lists who wants to take a crack at a modern design for cloudstack ?
>
> thanks,
>
> -sebastien
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
--
Ian Rae PDG | CEOt 514.944.4008
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Expertsw cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6