Re: Apache project community and external community

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

On 31 August 2011 17:06, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> That makes no sense.

I don't agree. There are other copies of the code out there managed
under different licenses and different approaches. Those who choose to
be here do so under their own free will.

But surely the time for this particular discussion has passed,
regardless of whether my version of the truth is the same as anyone
elses. I'm not trying to oversimplify, I'm trying to be realistic.

Ross

Re: Apache project community and external community

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

On 1 September 2011 17:27, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My view is how do we make
> FOSS more effective?  Partly as a Committer here within the rules associated
> with that, partly through my business with the rules and constraints that
> has and partly with LibreO, why worry? If you can do what you want within
> the rules just do it. If you can't, do those things somewhere else where its
> ok.

Exactly!

The whole point of the ASF way of doing things is that the foundation
stays very tightly focussed on what it does well. It cultivates
communities of people who congregate around needs that can be
satisfied by software. That means the foundation provides
infrastructure to support the communities that build the software. The
foundation tries to stay out of everything else, others do those
things better. For example, the Conference Committee doesn't organise
conferences, it supports people willing to create the local teams who
put on great conferences. The Community Development PMC doesn't fund
internships, it manages the relationship between providers of
internships and the ASF and so on.

The foundations projects do, however, recognise people who seek to
build bridges. Those people are critical to healthy communities and
should be recognised as such. I can think of a few foundation members
who do not write code, they have become foundation members because
they build bridges.

Ross

Re: Apache project community and external community

[Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>]

On 31 August 2011 23:16, Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:

> On 31 August 2011 17:06, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> > That makes no sense.
>
> I don't agree. There are other copies of the code out there managed
> under different licenses and different approaches. Those who choose to
> be here do so under their own free will.
>
> But surely the time for this particular discussion has passed,
> regardless of whether my version of the truth is the same as anyone
> elses. I'm not trying to oversimplify, I'm trying to be realistic.
>

Pragmatism has a lot going for it IMHO :-). I run a company which was
inspired by aspects of open source communities but I'm a Committer here and
I am also quite willing to do what I can for LibreO or indeed any other FOSS
community. Different organisational constraints but hey, if you think that's
bad, try working within some of the UK government regulatory frameworks ;-).
 I have been a member of the OOo community for probably 10 years or so and I
have had some disagreements with various people along the way. Even so, I
don't see why any of that should get in the way. My view is how do we make
FOSS more effective?  Partly as a Committer here within the rules associated
with that, partly through my business with the rules and constraints that
has and partly with LibreO, why worry? If you can do what you want within
the rules just do it. If you can't, do those things somewhere else where its
ok. Main issue is learning what is and isn't allowable and I guess that is
at least in part why there is an incubation period to give us all time to
learn.

-- 
Ian

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