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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org> on 2004/11/30 06:01:23 UTC
Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
On 2004-11-28 09:47:19 gradha@tigris.org wrote:
> - <para>Again, you may be thinking: well, that really didn't undo
> - the commit, did it? The change still exists in revision 303.
> - If somebody checks out a version of the
> - <filename>calc</filename> project between revisions 303 and
> - 349, they'll still see the bad change, right?</para>
> + <para>De nuevo puede estar pregunt?ndose: vaya, eso no deshizo
> + el cambio anterior, ?verdad? El cambio todav?a existe en la
> + revisi?n 303. Si alguien obtiene una versi?n del proyecto
> + <filename>calc</filename> entre las revisiones 303 y 349,
> + seguir?n viendo todav?a el cambio malo, ?verdad?</para>
Hi, would it be OK for you to commit bigger chunks to the repository
instead of committing after translating one or two paragraphs? As of
now, about 26% of the log messages on trunk are from the Spanish
svnbook, it really fills up the commit log. There are 1850 <para>
elements in doc/book/book/*.xml , so you will need thousands of commits
by following this scheme.
There is nothing wrong with small commits to separate out specific
changes, I do this myself all the time. But this is work in progress and
having loads of tiny changes makes the commit log unnecessarily bloated.
Thanks in advance,
Øyvind A. Holm
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com> writes:
> I have scheduled this to happen sometime before the end of the year.
> Should I happen to forget posting this set of rules before the end
> of the year, please answer to this message publicly, as it would
> mean I'm indeed a wrong person for the position I have. Feel free
> to answer this email (or maybe start a new thread) with rules you
> would like to enforce against me if you don't want to wait for my
> own proposal.
I'll wait for your mail (and try to remind you if you forget). Thanks
for your diligence.
-K
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com>.
On 2004-12-01, kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> I think Grzegorz should work in whatever chunks he's comfortable
> with.
Thanks for your support.
This issue, along with a private email I've received from
one developer, has reminded me that I've neglected creating a
document explaining my own rules as coordinator and member of your
community. Originally I thought the email approved by Erik Huelsmann
(and implicitly by the rest of the mailing list subscribers at that
point in time) would be enough. But certainly that didn't include
any of the recent problems and as I've been recently informed, this
is a growing concer for developers hanging out on IRC (a method of
communication I don't use).
For this reason I have already requested in the translation mailing
a set of rules which I, as coordinator, should accept and which
should be enforced against me in the case of negligence to the
translation project.
Since the translation project is part of the main subversion
repository, I will also need a set of rules which define my
relationship with you (meaning the people reading this mailing list
and working on the same repository).
I have scheduled this to happen sometime before the end of the year.
Should I happen to forget posting this set of rules before the end
of the year, please answer to this message publicly, as it would
mean I'm indeed a wrong person for the position I have. Feel free
to answer this email (or maybe start a new thread) with rules you
would like to enforce against me if you don't want to wait for my
own proposal.
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Øyvind A. Holm <su...@sunbase.org> writes:
> Hi, would it be OK for you to commit bigger chunks to the repository
> instead of committing after translating one or two paragraphs? As of
> now, about 26% of the log messages on trunk are from the Spanish
> svnbook, it really fills up the commit log. There are 1850 <para>
> elements in doc/book/book/*.xml , so you will need thousands of commits
> by following this scheme.
>
> There is nothing wrong with small commits to separate out specific
> changes, I do this myself all the time. But this is work in progress and
> having loads of tiny changes makes the commit log unnecessarily bloated.
I think Grzegorz should work in whatever chunks he's comfortable with.
If the issue is that our commit email list is getting filled up with
these log messages, we can split them out to a separate list (though
I'd rather not, when they're in the same repository).
Or if the issue is the sheer percentage log messages, that's something
that each client can parse out automatically. I mean, one person
doesn't care about the translations; maybe another person doesn't care
about bindings changes; maybe a third person doesn't care about the
www/ area... It's up to each user of the logs to select the logs they
want, by whatever means are available.
Revision numbers are cheap :-).
-Karl
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org>.
On 2004-12-03 08:30:11 Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz wrote:
> On 2004-12-01, Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com>
> wrote:
> > On 2004-11-30, "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org> wrote:
> > > Hi, would it be OK for you to commit bigger chunks to the
> > > repository instead of committing after translating one or two
> > > paragraphs?
> >
> > No.
>
> Ok. To clarify this:
>
> 1. Log filtering is easy.
>
> 2. Defeats the point of us having write access, if we cannot commit
> work in the unit size we feel comfortable with.
>
> 3. Psychology, if I don't do commits every day I loose interest in
> about one or two weeks and leave the project orphan. I've seen this
> both in me and everybody else I've worked with in free software
> projects. This goes double for translation work: most "new"
> translators discover after two weeks that its not that cool that
> they volunteered and wish they didn't.
>
> Sorry for not having cared to explain this.
Well, it isn’t especially problematic at this point, I was just thinking
how it would affect the trunk log in the long term, but I suppose it’s
no big deal. Your points makes good sense, and as long it’s okay for the
main developers, it should be fine.
Anyhow, good luck with your translation work, it’s nice to see the
svnbook evolve into lots of languages.
Regards,
Øyvind A. Holm
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com>.
On 2004-12-01, Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com> wrote:
> On 2004-11-30, "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org> wrote:
> > Hi, would it be OK for you to commit bigger chunks to the
> > repository instead of committing after translating one or two
> > paragraphs?
>
> No.
Ok. To clarify this:
1. Log filtering is easy.
2. Defeats the point of us having write access, if we cannot commit
work in the unit size we feel comfortable with.
3. Psychology, if I don't do commits every day I loose interest in
about one or two weeks and leave the project orphan. I've seen
this both in me and everybody else I've worked with in free
software projects. This goes double for translation work: most
"new" translators discover after two weeks that its not that
cool that they volunteered and wish they didn't.
Sorry for not having cared to explain this.
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Re: svn commit: r12067 - trunk/doc/translations/spanish/book
Posted by Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz <gr...@titanium.sabren.com>.
On 2004-11-30, "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org> wrote:
> Hi, would it be OK for you to commit bigger chunks to the
> repository instead of committing after translating one or two
> paragraphs?
No.
> There is nothing wrong with small commits to separate out specific
> changes, I do this myself all the time. But this is work in
> progress and having loads of tiny changes makes the commit log
> unnecessarily bloated.
http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=79016
On 2004-10-02, "Erik Huelsmann" wrote:
> I chatted with some of the other devs in IRC and those who spoke
> on the subject feel that your commit volume will not be a problem
> to the rest of Subversion development. We welcome your commit
> volume as we welcome your project.
If the opinion of the devs in IRC has changed, I will switch to
another repository to avoid unnecessary bloat to the commit log.
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