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Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers (Netscape/Mozilla)
I am looking to use SVG for charting/presentation on a web site. We are
looking to support Windows, Linux, and Solaris users under IE and
Netscape.
So far, it looks like Adobe SVGViewer 3.0 will cover the Win/IE
collection of users and Win/Netscape 4.7x (but not 6.x) users. I am
looking for either an applet or a server-side component that will let me
provide support for Win/NS6 and Linux/Solaris users.
Can I use batik to address this need? Can I use it as an applet? Or,
should I use it server-side and have it render PNG files?
Any and all comments and feedback are appreciated. I am new to batik
and trying to learn about its features and limitations.
Thanks in advance,
Charlie
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Re:
Posted by Vincent Hardy <vi...@sun.com>.
Charlie,
Charlie Woloszynski wrote:
>
> Vincent:
>
> Thanks for the quick response. Your comments about BlackWood are very
> helpful. I was not aware of this activity under Mozilla. It seems to
> be the best solution in terms of integration of Batik and Mozilla (but
> it would compete with the Mozilla SVG viewer which is still not part of
> the standard Mozilla build). Is Blackwood in any better shape there?
I do not know if Blackwood is part of the standard Mozilla build. I know
it is not part of the default install.
> Is it part of the standard build for Mozilla? When you say that there
> is not active work in this area, are you speaking of BlackWood or Batik
> plugin under BlackWood?
I was talking about the Batik plugin under BlackWood. At Sun, we
did a proof of concept (i.e., we demoed processing SVG in
Mozilla as a Java pluglet using Batik). This was about a year ago, but
we do not have active development on that specific project at this time.
Cheers,
Vincent.
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Re:
Posted by Charlie Woloszynski <ch...@clearmetrix.com>.
Vincent:
Thanks for the quick response. Your comments about BlackWood are very
helpful. I was not aware of this activity under Mozilla. It seems to
be the best solution in terms of integration of Batik and Mozilla (but
it would compete with the Mozilla SVG viewer which is still not part of
the standard Mozilla build). Is Blackwood in any better shape there?
Is it part of the standard build for Mozilla? When you say that there
is not active work in this area, are you speaking of BlackWood or Batik
plugin under BlackWood?
Thanks,
Charlie
wrote:
> <pre wrap>Charlie,
>
> I think there are a couple things you can do:
>
> a. You could write an applet. This is not very recommended with Batik as
> the size of the code is pretty large.
>
> b. You could use JavaWebStart. For example, see:
> http://xml.apache.org/batik/batikDemo.html
> JavaWebStart is support for Win, Linux, MacOS X and Solaris
> I have not found a description of all the supported browsers
> (I know Netscape 4.x that I use is supported as well as IE, but
> I am not sure about Mozilla).
>
> c. You could write a pluggin based on BlackWood for Mozilla:
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/blackwood/java-plugins/
> There have been proofs of concept in the past but there is not
> active work going on in that space that I know of. This would
> let you write a pluging for SVG in Mozilla, using Batik.
>
> Cheers,
> Vincent
>
> Charlie Woloszynski wrote:
> </pre><blockquote type=cite><pre wrap>
> I am looking to use SVG for charting/presentation on a web site. We are
> looking to support Windows, Linux, and Solaris users under IE and
> Netscape.
>
> So far, it looks like Adobe SVGViewer 3.0 will cover the Win/IE
> collection of users and Win/Netscape 4.7x (but not 6.x) users. I am
> looking for either an applet or a server-side component that will let me
> provide support for Win/NS6 and Linux/Solaris users.
>
> Can I use batik to address this need? Can I use it as an applet? Or,
> should I use it server-side and have it render PNG files?
>
> Any and all comments and feedback are appreciated. I am new to batik
> and trying to learn about its features and limitations.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Charlie
>
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Re: Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers (Netscape/Mozilla)
Posted by Charlie Woloszynski <ch...@clearmetrix.com>.
Max:
Thanks for the feedback. I was unaware of the beta SVG viewers for
Mozilla from Adobe.
I'll have to look into them to see if they meet our needs. That
certainly looks like the fastest path forward that I know of.
Thanks,
Charlie
Max Dunn wrote:
>I think a JavaWebStart solution would be great, but there are also some
>non-batik possibilities:
>
>There are Adobe SVG Viewers for Linux and Solaris, they are beta
>(=officially unsupported) but pretty solid:
>http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/old.html
>
>It's possible to use the ASV in Netscape 6 but it's buggy.
>
>There is also a Mozilla SVG project http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/
>
>And there is nothing wrong with rasterizing on the server. Depends how
>important it is to have SVG on the client side. You could also create
>PDF on the server, and persist the vectors but deliver them in a non-SVG
>format.
>
>Max
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vincent Hardy [mailto:vincent.hardy@sun.com]
>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:01 AM
>To: Batik Users
>Subject: Re: Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers
>(Netscape/Mozilla)
>
>
>Charlie,
>
>I think there are a couple things you can do:
>
>a. You could write an applet. This is not very recommended with Batik as
> the size of the code is pretty large.
>
>b. You could use JavaWebStart. For example, see:
> http://xml.apache.org/batik/batikDemo.html
> JavaWebStart is support for Win, Linux, MacOS X and Solaris
> I have not found a description of all the supported browsers
> (I know Netscape 4.x that I use is supported as well as IE, but
> I am not sure about Mozilla).
>
>c. You could write a pluggin based on BlackWood for Mozilla:
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/blackwood/java-plugins/
> There have been proofs of concept in the past but there is not
> active work going on in that space that I know of. This would
> let you write a pluging for SVG in Mozilla, using Batik.
>
>Cheers,
>Vincent
>
>Charlie Woloszynski wrote:
>
>>I am looking to use SVG for charting/presentation on a web site. We
>>
>are
>
>>looking to support Windows, Linux, and Solaris users under IE and
>>Netscape.
>>
>>So far, it looks like Adobe SVGViewer 3.0 will cover the Win/IE
>>collection of users and Win/Netscape 4.7x (but not 6.x) users. I am
>>looking for either an applet or a server-side component that will let
>>
>me
>
>>provide support for Win/NS6 and Linux/Solaris users.
>>
>>Can I use batik to address this need? Can I use it as an applet? Or,
>>should I use it server-side and have it render PNG files?
>>
>>Any and all comments and feedback are appreciated. I am new to batik
>>and trying to learn about its features and limitations.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Charlie
>>
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RE: Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers (Netscape/Mozilla)
Posted by Max Dunn <ma...@siliconpublishing.com>.
I think a JavaWebStart solution would be great, but there are also some
non-batik possibilities:
There are Adobe SVG Viewers for Linux and Solaris, they are beta
(=officially unsupported) but pretty solid:
http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/old.html
It's possible to use the ASV in Netscape 6 but it's buggy.
There is also a Mozilla SVG project http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/
And there is nothing wrong with rasterizing on the server. Depends how
important it is to have SVG on the client side. You could also create
PDF on the server, and persist the vectors but deliver them in a non-SVG
format.
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Hardy [mailto:vincent.hardy@sun.com]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:01 AM
To: Batik Users
Subject: Re: Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers
(Netscape/Mozilla)
Charlie,
I think there are a couple things you can do:
a. You could write an applet. This is not very recommended with Batik as
the size of the code is pretty large.
b. You could use JavaWebStart. For example, see:
http://xml.apache.org/batik/batikDemo.html
JavaWebStart is support for Win, Linux, MacOS X and Solaris
I have not found a description of all the supported browsers
(I know Netscape 4.x that I use is supported as well as IE, but
I am not sure about Mozilla).
c. You could write a pluggin based on BlackWood for Mozilla:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/blackwood/java-plugins/
There have been proofs of concept in the past but there is not
active work going on in that space that I know of. This would
let you write a pluging for SVG in Mozilla, using Batik.
Cheers,
Vincent
Charlie Woloszynski wrote:
>
> I am looking to use SVG for charting/presentation on a web site. We
are
> looking to support Windows, Linux, and Solaris users under IE and
> Netscape.
>
> So far, it looks like Adobe SVGViewer 3.0 will cover the Win/IE
> collection of users and Win/Netscape 4.7x (but not 6.x) users. I am
> looking for either an applet or a server-side component that will let
me
> provide support for Win/NS6 and Linux/Solaris users.
>
> Can I use batik to address this need? Can I use it as an applet? Or,
> should I use it server-side and have it render PNG files?
>
> Any and all comments and feedback are appreciated. I am new to batik
> and trying to learn about its features and limitations.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Charlie
>
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Re: Using SVG and supporting Unix/Linux browsers (Netscape/Mozilla)
Posted by Vincent Hardy <vi...@sun.com>.
Charlie,
I think there are a couple things you can do:
a. You could write an applet. This is not very recommended with Batik as
the size of the code is pretty large.
b. You could use JavaWebStart. For example, see:
http://xml.apache.org/batik/batikDemo.html
JavaWebStart is support for Win, Linux, MacOS X and Solaris
I have not found a description of all the supported browsers
(I know Netscape 4.x that I use is supported as well as IE, but
I am not sure about Mozilla).
c. You could write a pluggin based on BlackWood for Mozilla:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/blackwood/java-plugins/
There have been proofs of concept in the past but there is not
active work going on in that space that I know of. This would
let you write a pluging for SVG in Mozilla, using Batik.
Cheers,
Vincent
Charlie Woloszynski wrote:
>
> I am looking to use SVG for charting/presentation on a web site. We are
> looking to support Windows, Linux, and Solaris users under IE and
> Netscape.
>
> So far, it looks like Adobe SVGViewer 3.0 will cover the Win/IE
> collection of users and Win/Netscape 4.7x (but not 6.x) users. I am
> looking for either an applet or a server-side component that will let me
> provide support for Win/NS6 and Linux/Solaris users.
>
> Can I use batik to address this need? Can I use it as an applet? Or,
> should I use it server-side and have it render PNG files?
>
> Any and all comments and feedback are appreciated. I am new to batik
> and trying to learn about its features and limitations.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Charlie
>
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