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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com> on 2005/07/14 14:51:40 UTC
Untranslated messages
I gave up and reinstalled tomcat.
I now actually get screens but the buttons all show up as "untranslated"
The cmsui.xml files are locared at
C:\tomcat\webapps\lenya\lenya\resources\i18n and seem to be correct.
C:\tomcat\webapps\lenya\sitemap.xmap contains the following,
<map:transformer logger="sitemap.transformer.i18n" name="i18n"
src="org.apache.cocoon.transformation.I18nTransformer">
<catalogues default="cmsui">
<catalogue id="cmsui" location="cocoon://i18n-catalogue/"
name="cmsui"/>
</catalogues>
<untranslated-text>ronuntranslated</untranslated-text>
<cache-at-startup>true</cache-at-startup>
</map:transformer>
From what I read, cocoon will eventually find the default cmsui.xml
file if it can not match the language code. I might be showing fr or
en_US depending on which browser I try with and what I have as the
default languages.
I am not sure if the location matches. The name cmsui looks OK but
location="cocoon://i18n-catalogue/" looks a bit odd.
Ron
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
At least I am not alone.
I had the same problem with Jetty when I did my first build.
How do I interpret the location keyword? It does not seem to have any
relation to the actual directory structure.
Ron
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> I gave up and reinstalled tomcat.
>> I now actually get screens but the buttons all show up as "untranslated"
>
>
>
> I also get this from time to time with the 1.4-dev version, but don't
> know
> exactly what's the problem. Any hints are appreciated.
>
> Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
I have a bit of time, a reasonably high pain threshold (this is being
sorely tested) and enough technical ability (M.SC Computer Science and
30+ years of technical frigging about) to fix little problems. I use
XML and XSLT in other parts of my technical base.
I am assuming that a year from now, 1.4 will be the weapon of choice and
1.2 problems will be less likely to get fixed.
I am also following the Cocoon forum and am getting a bit concerned
about the non-deterministic nature of the problems reported therein.
Ron
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Victoria Vitaver wrote:
>
>> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> Also .. any rough idea when 1.4 becomes 'stable'?
>
>
>
> I think it's hard to say. AFAIK there is nobody really using it
> for a productive environment yet, but people are starting to use it,
> e.g. we
> are currently building an ERP solution based on Lenya and Jackrabbit and
> I hope this will help to get it stable.
>
> But it's very important that the dev community actually agrees on
> stabilizing it
> and I am not sure if are all aligned on this.
>
>> I need to know this for a project which is due to commence shortly..
>
>
>
> what are the reasons for you to use 1.4 instead of 1.2?
>
> Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Victoria Vitaver wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
> Also .. any rough idea when 1.4 becomes 'stable'?
I think it's hard to say. AFAIK there is nobody really using it
for a productive environment yet, but people are starting to use it, e.g. we
are currently building an ERP solution based on Lenya and Jackrabbit and
I hope this will help to get it stable.
But it's very important that the dev community actually agrees on
stabilizing it
and I am not sure if are all aligned on this.
> I need to know this for a project which is due to commence shortly..
what are the reasons for you to use 1.4 instead of 1.2?
Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Victoria Vitaver wrote:
> Also .. any rough idea when 1.4 becomes 'stable'? I need to know this
> for a project which is due to commence shortly..
as soon as the bugs are shaken out. if you test 1.4, make sure to file
bugs :)
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Victoria Vitaver <vi...@tt.com.au>.
Ron Wheeler wrote:
> Killed Lenya and restarted.
> I got a Cocoon Error screen.
>
> Killed Tomcat and restarted it. Back to Untranslated.
>
> Is it really such a fragile system or am I still wrestling with
> installation and configuration issues.
>
well 1.4 is a 'development' version .. so I guess glitches with it are somewhat expected (yes, I also get the annoying 'untranslated' labels).
If you are new to Lenya, try 1.2.3, its quite stable, and I personally have not had much trouble with it (well, I had trouble with it, but it was my fault.. so its all good :)
Also .. any rough idea when 1.4 becomes 'stable'? I need to know this for a project which is due to commence shortly..
Cheers,
Vica
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
I am trying to make it work with tomcat 5.5.7(latest)
<!--Also, Im quite sure that on the website it does say 'recommended
with tomcat 5.0.28', and if you refer to the problem with the spaces in
the filename, I think that that sort of problem is pretty standard when
you are working with both windows and linux. I do not think that this is
really 'cocoon's' fault, or a lack of insight on their part, unless you
are refering to a different problem :p . -->
I am not sure who is at fault and I am not really interested in blaming
either team. I am just a bit amazed that the 2 teams did not discuss the
problems that it would cause Cocoon when Tomcat and Maven were moved to
C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\.
I have not done a lot of testing but Cocoon is the first package that
has trouble dealing with this. I do not recall any such problem with
Jetspeed for example.
Ron
Victoria Vitaver wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> I did not try Lenya 1.2.
>>
>
> If you try 1.2 you will find that it is quite stable.
>
>> I am hoping than Lenya 1.4 will be sufficiently stable by the fall
>> for moderate use.
>> I am trying to determine whether that is possible and trying to
>> report all of the problems and solutions that I discover in the hopes
>> that my efforts will contribute a little bit to this goal.
>
>
> This would probably be good.
>
>> I suppose that at some point I will have to make a judgement about
>> the long-term viability of this path. If not, I will probably look at
>> OpenCMS which also appears to be an architecture that I can live with.
>>
>> I am a bit discomforted by the bugs that I have run into so far. The
>> lack of repeatability of problems is also a bit disconcerting. Bugs
>> that stay put between restarts are a lot easier to solve.
>>
>
> Don't get disheartened by the bugs in what is known as a development
> version, this is why its out there with a big red warning message.
>
>> The problem running Cocoon in the standard Tomcat installation
>> configuration makes me worry about the committment to standards. This
>> does appear to be a Cocoon problem and the lack of coordination
>> between Cocoon and Jakarta is puzzling. One would have hoped that the
>> two teams would have worked together a bit better. In my current
>> situation this is not a practical problem since I only have 1 other
>> tomcat application running under test and the production environment
>> is Linux.
>
>
> Also, Im quite sure that on the website it does say 'recommended with
> tomcat 5.0.28', and if you refer to the problem with the spaces in the
> filename, I think that that sort of problem is pretty standard when
> you are working with both windows and linux. I do not think that this
> is really 'cocoon's' fault, or a lack of insight on their part, unless
> you are refering to a different problem :p .
> Like yourself, I am also eyeying up Lenya 1.4 on Tomcat 5.0.28 to
> serve as a part of a large project which is due in production by
> september.
>
> Vica
>
>> Ron
>>
>
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Victoria Vitaver <vi...@tt.com.au>.
Ron Wheeler wrote:
> I did not try Lenya 1.2.
>
If you try 1.2 you will find that it is quite stable.
> I am hoping than Lenya 1.4 will be sufficiently stable by the fall for
> moderate use.
> I am trying to determine whether that is possible and trying to report
> all of the problems and solutions that I discover in the hopes that my
> efforts will contribute a little bit to this goal.
This would probably be good.
> I suppose that at some point I will have to make a judgement about the
> long-term viability of this path. If not, I will probably look at
> OpenCMS which also appears to be an architecture that I can live with.
>
> I am a bit discomforted by the bugs that I have run into so far. The
> lack of repeatability of problems is also a bit disconcerting. Bugs that
> stay put between restarts are a lot easier to solve.
>
Don't get disheartened by the bugs in what is known as a development version, this is why its out there with a big red warning message.
> The problem running Cocoon in the standard Tomcat installation
> configuration makes me worry about the committment to standards. This
> does appear to be a Cocoon problem and the lack of coordination between
> Cocoon and Jakarta is puzzling. One would have hoped that the two teams
> would have worked together a bit better. In my current situation this is
> not a practical problem since I only have 1 other tomcat application
> running under test and the production environment is Linux.
Also, Im quite sure that on the website it does say 'recommended with tomcat 5.0.28', and if you refer to the problem with the spaces in the filename, I think that that sort of problem is pretty standard when you are working with both windows and linux. I do not think that this is really 'cocoon's' fault, or a lack of insight on their part, unless you are refering to a different problem :p .
Like yourself, I am also eyeying up Lenya 1.4 on Tomcat 5.0.28 to serve as a part of a large project which is due in production by september.
Vica
> Ron
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by so...@gmail.com.
On 7/16/05, Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com> wrote:
> If I can identify and fix any of the problems that I am having I will
> make specific suggestions about how to fix them.
> It was not my intention to fix code written by people who are much
> better coders than me without some confirmation that the fix makes sense.
> I am still trying to learn about the system so I am reluctant to declare
> my problems as bugs.
> What I am looking for in the forum, is confirmation that my problems are
> general or that there is a configuration error that I made. It seems to
> be counterproductive to file bug reports about configuration errors that
> I made.
Everything that annoys you is a bug. File it in Bugzilla. If you
made a configuration mistake, it is likely someone else will also make
that mistake, but they might give up on Lenya without posting here or
filing a bug. If the devs don't care about a bug, they will ignore
it, but it is recorded. If you find it was a configuration issue, you
can add the fix to the Bugzilla entry, hopefully with advice to make
the fix unneeded.
I added 2 bugs about installation:
1. Set the user during install/build.
2. Check the Xalan libraries during launch.
Both cause major headaches for newbies. Neither has been fixed yet.
The first only became a bugzilla today, but we discussed it here back
in April. If it is not in Bugzilla, it will not be fixed. (And from
some of the code and design decisions, it is very possible your
comparison is overly critical of yourself.)
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Re: ssl check box on ac authoring tab
Posted by Lee Carroll <le...@aol.com>.
> That looks fine. However just for testing purpose you can try a setting
> like
>
> <proxy area="authoring" ssl="false"
> url="http://www.cmsSite.com/foo/bar"/>
>
> And you should see url like http://www.cmsSite.com/foo/bar/index.html if
> the ssl checkbox is empty otherwise link rewriting seems not to work
> correctly .....
I tried your test and the links did not get re-written as expected. (not
re-written at all.)
I'm suspecting that mod_rewrite and mod_proxy are interfering ? has anyone
saw this before
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Re: ssl check box on ac authoring tab
Posted by Jann Forrer <ja...@id.unizh.ch>.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Lee Carroll wrote:
> Hello
>
> I've set up proxying following the mod proxy how to's and everything is
> working fine.
> I would now like the behaviour after login to change so that the site uses
> http rather than https.
> At the moment the entire authoring site remains in https. I've enabled the
> proxying sections in publication.xconf and was
> hoping that every page which had an empty check mark against the ssl box in
> the ac tab would use http.
Yes, it works like that in our publication (lenya-1.2.X) i.e. ever page is
using http if ssl-check mark is empty. The LinkRewriter should check your proxy
settings and rewrite the link accordingly.
> publication.xconf looks like
>
> <proxy area="authoring" ssl="true"
> url="https://www.cmsSite.com/myPub/authoring"/>
> <proxy area="authoring" ssl="false"
> url="http://www.cmsSite.com/myPub/authoring"/>
>
That looks fine. However just for testing purpose you can try a setting
like
<proxy area="authoring" ssl="false"
url="http://www.cmsSite.com/foo/bar"/>
And you should see url like http://www.cmsSite.com/foo/bar/index.html if
the ssl checkbox is empty otherwise link rewriting seems not to work
correctly .....
>
> Have I unerstood how this works?
> What is the correct way to configure this behaviour
>
It seems to configured correctly!
Jann
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ssl check box on ac authoring tab
Posted by Lee Carroll <le...@aol.com>.
Hello
I've set up proxying following the mod proxy how to's and everything is
working fine.
I would now like the behaviour after login to change so that the site uses
http rather than https.
At the moment the entire authoring site remains in https. I've enabled the
proxying sections in publication.xconf and was
hoping that every page which had an empty check mark against the ssl box in
the ac tab would use http. publication.xconf
looks like
<proxy area="authoring" ssl="true"
url="https://www.cmsSite.com/myPub/authoring"/>
<proxy area="authoring" ssl="false"
url="http://www.cmsSite.com/myPub/authoring"/>
Have I unerstood how this works?
What is the correct way to configure this behaviour
Lee C
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
I suppose in a large open source organization like Apache, it is
difficult to keep everything coodinated. The fact that the default
Windows install location is now under program files and there seems to
be a movement to moving everything there (Mavin and Tomcat sit side by
side under "C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation") means it is
only a matter of time before Cocoon is going to have to deal with this.
Ron
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> What I am looking for in the forum, is confirmation that my problems
>> are general or that there is a configuration error that I made. It
>> seems to be counterproductive to file bug reports about configuration
>> errors that I made.
>
>
>
> agreed. Pointing out "possible" problems is very much appreciated. For
> instance
> the white space problem within the path is probably worth reconsidering.
>
> Michi
>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Lee Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> Gregor j rothfuss wrote
>>>
>>>> as soon as the bugs are shaken out. if you test 1.4, make sure to
>>>> file bugs :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is a hint that one contribution you can make is to
>>> follow the apache quidelines on filing bugs.
>>> Spending the time to systematically record and descibe the problem
>>> in the appropriate tool. Sounding off
>>> in the mail list is of limited worth. (and I'm sure I've been quilty
>>> of this too)
>>>
>>> One approach to open source often quoted is, "If its broke its up to
>>> you to fix it if you can." It's not a choice between
>>> lenya or this or that cms on functionality terms. It should be a
>>> choice between the commitment of communities.
>>>
>>> (I can't resist, just to sound off in a mailing list, opencms is
>>> devoid of a varied community and is run pretty much by a single
>>> organization. Of course this my have changed and developed)
>>>
>>> Lee C
>>>
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>
> What I am looking for in the forum, is confirmation that my problems
> are general or that there is a configuration error that I made. It
> seems to be counterproductive to file bug reports about configuration
> errors that I made.
agreed. Pointing out "possible" problems is very much appreciated. For
instance
the white space problem within the path is probably worth reconsidering.
Michi
>
> Ron
>
> Lee Carroll wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> Gregor j rothfuss wrote
>>
>>> as soon as the bugs are shaken out. if you test 1.4, make sure to
>>> file bugs :)
>>
>>
>>
>> I think this is a hint that one contribution you can make is to
>> follow the apache quidelines on filing bugs.
>> Spending the time to systematically record and descibe the problem in
>> the appropriate tool. Sounding off
>> in the mail list is of limited worth. (and I'm sure I've been quilty
>> of this too)
>>
>> One approach to open source often quoted is, "If its broke its up to
>> you to fix it if you can." It's not a choice between
>> lenya or this or that cms on functionality terms. It should be a
>> choice between the commitment of communities.
>>
>> (I can't resist, just to sound off in a mailing list, opencms is
>> devoid of a varied community and is run pretty much by a single
>> organization. Of course this my have changed and developed)
>>
>> Lee C
>>
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
If I can identify and fix any of the problems that I am having I will
make specific suggestions about how to fix them.
It was not my intention to fix code written by people who are much
better coders than me without some confirmation that the fix makes sense.
I am still trying to learn about the system so I am reluctant to declare
my problems as bugs.
I have made corrections to the Wiki reflecting the things that I learned
about building the system under Eclipse.
What I am looking for in the forum, is confirmation that my problems are
general or that there is a configuration error that I made. It seems to
be counterproductive to file bug reports about configuration errors that
I made.
Ron
Lee Carroll wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Gregor j rothfuss wrote
>
>> as soon as the bugs are shaken out. if you test 1.4, make sure to
>> file bugs :)
>
>
> I think this is a hint that one contribution you can make is to follow
> the apache quidelines on filing bugs.
> Spending the time to systematically record and descibe the problem in
> the appropriate tool. Sounding off
> in the mail list is of limited worth. (and I'm sure I've been quilty
> of this too)
>
> One approach to open source often quoted is, "If its broke its up to
> you to fix it if you can." It's not a choice between
> lenya or this or that cms on functionality terms. It should be a
> choice between the commitment of communities.
>
> (I can't resist, just to sound off in a mailing list, opencms is
> devoid of a varied community and is run pretty much by a single
> organization. Of course this my have changed and developed)
>
> Lee C
>
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Lee Carroll <le...@aol.com>.
Ron,
Gregor j rothfuss wrote
>as soon as the bugs are shaken out. if you test 1.4, make sure to file bugs
>:)
I think this is a hint that one contribution you can make is to follow the
apache quidelines on filing bugs.
Spending the time to systematically record and descibe the problem in the
appropriate tool. Sounding off
in the mail list is of limited worth. (and I'm sure I've been quilty of this
too)
One approach to open source often quoted is, "If its broke its up to you to
fix it if you can." It's not a choice between
lenya or this or that cms on functionality terms. It should be a choice
between the commitment of communities.
(I can't resist, just to sound off in a mailing list, opencms is devoid of a
varied community and is run pretty much by a single organization. Of course
this my have changed and developed)
Lee C
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
I did not try Lenya 1.2.
I am hoping than Lenya 1.4 will be sufficiently stable by the fall for
moderate use.
I am trying to determine whether that is possible and trying to report
all of the problems and solutions that I discover in the hopes that my
efforts will contribute a little bit to this goal.
I suppose that at some point I will have to make a judgement about the
long-term viability of this path. If not, I will probably look at
OpenCMS which also appears to be an architecture that I can live with.
I am a bit discomforted by the bugs that I have run into so far. The
lack of repeatability of problems is also a bit disconcerting. Bugs that
stay put between restarts are a lot easier to solve.
The problem running Cocoon in the standard Tomcat installation
configuration makes me worry about the committment to standards. This
does appear to be a Cocoon problem and the lack of coordination between
Cocoon and Jakarta is puzzling. One would have hoped that the two teams
would have worked together a bit better. In my current situation this is
not a practical problem since I only have 1 other tomcat application
running under test and the production environment is Linux.
Ron
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> Killed Lenya and restarted.
>> I got a Cocoon Error screen.
>>
>> Killed Tomcat and restarted it. Back to Untranslated.
>>
>> Is it really such a fragile system or am I still wrestling with
>> installation and configuration issues.
>
>
>
> I would say there is still something wrong with the installation, but
> I have
> to admit that the "untranslated issue" is annoying. I hope that
> somebody (myself
> included) will be able to solve this within the near future.
>
> Btw, did you ever try Lenya 1.2.X?
>
> Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Ron Wheeler wrote:
> Killed Lenya and restarted.
> I got a Cocoon Error screen.
>
> Killed Tomcat and restarted it. Back to Untranslated.
>
> Is it really such a fragile system or am I still wrestling with
> installation and configuration issues.
I would say there is still something wrong with the installation, but I have
to admit that the "untranslated issue" is annoying. I hope that somebody
(myself
included) will be able to solve this within the near future.
Btw, did you ever try Lenya 1.2.X?
Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
Killed Lenya and restarted.
I got a Cocoon Error screen.
Killed Tomcat and restarted it. Back to Untranslated.
Is it really such a fragile system or am I still wrestling with
installation and configuration issues.
Ron
Doug Chestnut wrote:
> I have seen this too,
>
> Usually right after a build. Start up, "untranslated" buttons, kill
> lenya, start up again, and "untranslated" goes away.
>
> --Doug
>
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>
>>> I gave up and reinstalled tomcat.
>>> I now actually get screens but the buttons all show up as
>>> "untranslated"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I also get this from time to time with the 1.4-dev version, but don't
>> know
>> exactly what's the problem. Any hints are appreciated.
>>
>> Michi
>>
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Doug Chestnut <ch...@apache.org>.
I have seen this too,
Usually right after a build. Start up, "untranslated" buttons, kill
lenya, start up again, and "untranslated" goes away.
--Doug
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Ron Wheeler wrote:
>
>> I gave up and reinstalled tomcat.
>> I now actually get screens but the buttons all show up as "untranslated"
>
>
>
> I also get this from time to time with the 1.4-dev version, but don't know
> exactly what's the problem. Any hints are appreciated.
>
> Michi
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Re: Untranslated messages
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Ron Wheeler wrote:
> I gave up and reinstalled tomcat.
> I now actually get screens but the buttons all show up as "untranslated"
I also get this from time to time with the 1.4-dev version, but don't know
exactly what's the problem. Any hints are appreciated.
Michi
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