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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> on 2003/07/15 21:39:14 UTC
Board Report
Below is the report I'm submitting to the board... Comments and
other input is 100% welcomed!!
The Apache Incubator Project is having the dubious honor of
"incubating" itself as well as other products. Regarding the
Incubator Project itself, there are still basic, fundamental
issues that ideally should have been resolved before it started
accepting products/projects. As such, things do not progress as
smoothly as anticipated. Nevertheless, the following projects
are being incubated as we speak:
o AltRMI:
A transparent Remote Procedure Call bean.
o FtpServer:
A complete FTP Server based on Avalon principles.
o Tapestry:
A complete framework offering an alternative to JSP & Velocity
scripting environments.
o Lenya:
An Open-Source Content Management and publishing system. It is
based
on open standards such as XML and XSLT.
In addition, discussion regarding the inclusion of XMLBeans into
the Incubator is progressing as well. So the good news is that the
Incubator *is* filling a void; the bad news is that we are still
determining the best way to do that. A good summary of some of these
issues was written by Nicola Ken Barozzi to
general@incubator.apache.org
in Message-Id <3F...@apache.org>. Copies can be provided
as needed.
Finally, I have noted my intention to step down as PMC Chair, for
2 main reasons: First of all, I think that it's in the best interest
in the foundation to not have "the usual people" in various
"management-type" positions. Also, as Chair, I find myself not being
as vocal as usual (or as need be) regarding Incubator issues, mostly
of a concern (unfounded, I'm sure) that coming from the Chair, it
would carry more weight than it should. I have suggested Nicola
as replacement.
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Re: Board Report
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com>.
On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:38 AM, Paul Hammant wrote:
> Jim,
>
>> Finally, I have noted my intention to step down as PMC Chair, [...]
>
> For what it is worth I though the light touch on Incubator was working
> well. Our biggest problems have been those of expectations of applying
> groups. The problem was one that affected general@ before us, so
> almost no-problem. Assuming there is no way that you'd reconsider,
> thanks for your efforts.
>
> - Paul
>
Thanks for the kind words... I'd like to stay on, but I'd also
really like to see other people in various ASF organizational
positions. :)
If Nicola says No, I'll reconsider staying for a brief period, but
it's really in the best interest of the Incubator and the ASF
to spread things around :)
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Re: Board Report
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>.
Jim,
> Finally, I have noted my intention to step down as PMC Chair, [...]
For what it is worth I though the light touch on Incubator was working
well. Our biggest problems have been those of expectations of applying
groups. The problem was one that affected general@ before us, so almost
no-problem. Assuming there is no way that you'd reconsider, thanks for
your efforts.
- Paul
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Re: Board Report
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
On 7/15/03 4:13 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Sander Striker wrote:
>
>>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jagunet.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:39 PM
>>
>>> smoothly as anticipated. Nevertheless, the following projects
>>> are being incubated as we speak:
>>
>> [...]
>>> o Tapestry:
>>> A complete framework offering an alternative to JSP & Velocity
>>> scripting environments.
>>
>> Tapestry has left the incubator already.
>>
>
> Yes, the list was taken from a simple list and description
> of the projects and didn't match their current status.
>
That¹s the limitation of incubation. Once they're out...their intrinsic
motivation to update the file is gone ;-)
(for the oversensitive, I'm only playing around)
>
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Re: Board Report
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
On 7/15/03 4:13 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Sander Striker wrote:
>
>>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jagunet.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:39 PM
>>
>>> smoothly as anticipated. Nevertheless, the following projects
>>> are being incubated as we speak:
>>
>> [...]
>>> o Tapestry:
>>> A complete framework offering an alternative to JSP & Velocity
>>> scripting environments.
>>
>> Tapestry has left the incubator already.
>>
>
> Yes, the list was taken from a simple list and description
> of the projects and didn't match their current status.
>
That¹s the limitation of incubation. Once they're out...their intrinsic
motivation to update the file is gone ;-)
(for the oversensitive, I'm only playing around)
>
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Re: Board Report
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com>.
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Sander Striker wrote:
>> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jagunet.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:39 PM
>
>> smoothly as anticipated. Nevertheless, the following projects
>> are being incubated as we speak:
>
> [...]
>> o Tapestry:
>> A complete framework offering an alternative to JSP & Velocity
>> scripting environments.
>
> Tapestry has left the incubator already.
>
Yes, the list was taken from a simple list and description
of the projects and didn't match their current status.
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RE: Board Report
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jagunet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:39 PM
> smoothly as anticipated. Nevertheless, the following projects
> are being incubated as we speak:
[...]
> o Tapestry:
> A complete framework offering an alternative to JSP & Velocity
> scripting environments.
Tapestry has left the incubator already.
Sander
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Re: Board Report
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
On 7/15/03 3:39 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> I have suggested Nicola
> as replacement.
>
As a member of Apache +1 to Nicola Ken chairing...
As his friend: -1
-Andy
>
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