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Posted to user@velocity.apache.org by Terry Steichen <te...@net-frame.com> on 2003/07/01 21:25:36 UTC
Let's shun and forget it
Just to let you know, this "dialogue" with Revusky has gotten so volumunous that it's hard to find useful Velocity information anymore. (I guess that's what a DOS attack is all about.) A couple of observations:
(1) Unbalanced people almost always have superhuman energy - you usually can't wear them down. Visit any psychiatric facility and you'll find plenty who's behavior (on the surface, anyway) is very similar. (Just because they happen to be there does not mean they're not smart.)
(2) Forget trying to use logic - you're utterly wasting your time. Also forget ridicule - let's face it, he's better at that than we are.
(3) Filtering his name from the list will cause him to come up with aliases - though sooner or later he'll run out of them. It's probably worth the effort, though. (Maybe we can classify him as a spammer and get the FTC to handle him?)
(4) The absolutely *best* response is no response. Simply ignore him. In all conversations, just refuse to acknowledge him. Eventually, his ego won't be able to handle it.
I tried to bring this up a couple of weeks ago when he started, but many members of this list had apparently not gone through previous encounters with this individual. They thought I was being too critical.
Bottom Line: resist the temptation to respond. A form of high-tech "shunning". It really works. Let's get on with Velocity - it still rocks!
Regards,
Terry
Re: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Martin van Niekerk <ma...@realsystems.co.za>.
>
> Fantastic Jonathan! Your response here brings me much happiness and
> joy. I can almost see the heavy carapace that has built up around you
> beginning to crack and fall off. Maybe we can get a few more people to
> give there support!
>
> I hope you have a nice day today
+1 :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Revusky
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:23 AM
> To: velocity-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Let's shun and forget it
>
>
> Michael Sallman wrote:
> > Bill Chmura wrote:
> >
> >> See Jonathan, there are two of us now that have unbounding
> >> unconditional love for you!
> >
> >
> > Make that 3!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > P.S. Why do I suddenly feel a group hug coming on? :-)
>
> It would only be a partial hug in my case. I would want to keep one hand
>
> on my wallet.
>
> Jonathan Revusky
> --
> lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
> FreeMarker-Velocity comparison page, http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
>
>
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RE: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Bill Chmura <Bi...@Explosivo.com>.
Fantastic Jonathan! Your response here brings me much happiness and
joy. I can almost see the heavy carapace that has built up around you
beginning to crack and fall off. Maybe we can get a few more people to
give there support!
I hope you have a nice day today
-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Revusky
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:23 AM
To: velocity-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: Let's shun and forget it
Michael Sallman wrote:
> Bill Chmura wrote:
>
>> See Jonathan, there are two of us now that have unbounding
>> unconditional love for you!
>
>
> Make that 3!
>
> Mike
>
> P.S. Why do I suddenly feel a group hug coming on? :-)
It would only be a partial hug in my case. I would want to keep one hand
on my wallet.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
FreeMarker-Velocity comparison page, http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
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Re: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Jonathan Revusky <jo...@revusky.com>.
Michael Sallman wrote:
> Bill Chmura wrote:
>
>> See Jonathan, there are two of us now that have unbounding unconditional
>> love for you!
>
>
> Make that 3!
>
> Mike
>
> P.S. Why do I suddenly feel a group hug coming on? :-)
It would only be a partial hug in my case. I would want to keep one hand
on my wallet.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
FreeMarker-Velocity comparison page, http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
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Re: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Michael Sallman <ms...@pro-ns.net>.
Bill Chmura wrote:
> See Jonathan, there are two of us now that have unbounding unconditional
> love for you!
Make that 3!
Mike
P.S. Why do I suddenly feel a group hug coming on? :-)
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RE: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Bill Chmura <Bi...@Explosivo.com>.
See Jonathan, there are two of us now that have unbounding unconditional
love for you!
See how happy we can all be?
-----Original Message-----
From: James McLaughlin [mailto:jimmclaughlin@ameritech.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:14 AM
To: Velocity Users List
Subject: Re: Let's shun and forget it
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 12:20:29AM -0400 or thereabouts, Bill Chmura
wrote:
>
> My friend Jonathan,
>
> Let me help you bring that anger under control. Lashing out like this
> has to be damaging to your karma. Try taking some deep breaths and
> think of positive things to say next time. Personally I have no idea
> what to make out of the whole washbasin thing, but walking out into
> the night, yes. I think we all here know what Jonathan means when he
> talks about walking out into the cold night.
>
> You walked out into the cold night when you started FM right? We've
> all walked out into that cold cold dark night. You've made something,
> out there in the darkness, now you have brought it back. Back for
> what? Vengence? The cold dark night can be each mans personal hell.
>
> Maybe we can all share some stories with Jonathan about our own
> personal experiences walking out into the cold night.
>
Do not go gentle into that cold night
rage, rage against the dying of the light
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Re: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Jim McLaughlin <ji...@ameritech.net>.
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 12:20:29AM -0400 or thereabouts, Bill Chmura wrote:
>
> My friend Jonathan,
>
> Let me help you bring that anger under control. Lashing out like this
> has to be damaging to your karma. Try taking some deep breaths and
> think of positive things to say next time. Personally I have no idea
> what to make out of the whole washbasin thing, but walking out into the
> night, yes. I think we all here know what Jonathan means when he talks
> about
> walking out into the cold night.
>
> You walked out into the cold night when you started FM right? We've all
> walked out into that cold cold dark night. You've made something, out
> there in the darkness, now you have brought it back. Back for what?
> Vengence? The cold dark night can be each mans personal hell.
>
> Maybe we can all share some stories with Jonathan about our own personal
> experiences walking out into the cold night.
>
Do not go gentle into that cold night
rage, rage against the dying of the light
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RE: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Bill Chmura <Bi...@Explosivo.com>.
My friend Jonathan,
Let me help you bring that anger under control. Lashing out like this
has to be damaging to your karma. Try taking some deep breaths and
think of positive things to say next time. Personally I have no idea
what to make out of the whole washbasin thing, but walking out into the
night, yes. I think we all here know what Jonathan means when he talks
about
walking out into the cold night.
You walked out into the cold night when you started FM right? We've all
walked out into that cold cold dark night. You've made something, out
there in the darkness, now you have brought it back. Back for what?
Vengence? The cold dark night can be each mans personal hell.
Maybe we can all share some stories with Jonathan about our own personal
experiences walking out into the cold night.
-----Original Message-----
From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Revusky
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 6:05 PM
To: velocity-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: Let's shun and forget it
Terry Steichen wrote:
> Just to let you know, this "dialogue" with Revusky has gotten so
>volumunous
>that it's hard to find useful Velocity information anymore.
>(I guess that's what a DOS attack is all about.) A couple of
> observations:
>
> (1) Unbalanced people almost always have superhuman energy - you
>usually can't wear them down.
>Visit any psychiatric facility and you'll find plenty who's behavior
>(on the surface, anyway) is very similar.
>(Just because they happen to be there does not mean they're not smart.)
Well, I ain't in no psychiatric ward no more, baby. See, I used that
superhuman energy. I ripped the washbasin out of the wall and smashed
out the windows and walked out into the night.
It took me a while to get round to it. It was right after you got the
lobotomy and then I really just had it. Before leaving, I tried to put
you out of your misery by smothering you in a pillow, but I guess I
didn't finish the job.
(Drat!)
>
> (2) Forget trying to use logic - you're utterly wasting your time.
Interesting. There are different ways of parsing this....
>Also forget ridicule - let's face it, he's better at that than we are.
<LOL>
Yeah, you got that one right, babe.
Not only that. I'm also better at writing template engines than you
are....
<ROTFL>
>
> (3) Filtering his name from the list will cause him to come up with
>aliases -
>though sooner or later he'll run out of them. It's probably worth the
effort, though.
>(Maybe we can classify him as a spammer and get the FTC to handle him?)
They'll never take me alive!
Regards,
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
FreeMarker-Velocity comparison page, http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
>
> (4) The absolutely *best* response is no response. Simply ignore him.
> In all conversations, just refuse to acknowledge him. Eventually, his
> ego won't be able to handle it.
>
> I tried to bring this up a couple of weeks ago when he started, but
> many members of this list had apparently not gone through previous
> encounters with this individual. They thought I was being too
> critical.
>
> Bottom Line: resist the temptation to respond. A form of high-tech
> "shunning". It really works. Let's get on with Velocity - it still
> rocks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Terry
>
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Re: Let's shun and forget it
Posted by Jonathan Revusky <jo...@revusky.com>.
Terry Steichen wrote:
> Just to let you know, this "dialogue" with Revusky has gotten so volumunous
>that it's hard to find useful Velocity information anymore.
>(I guess that's what a DOS attack is all about.) A couple of
> observations:
>
> (1) Unbalanced people almost always have superhuman energy - you usually can't wear them down.
>Visit any psychiatric facility and you'll find plenty who's behavior
>(on the surface, anyway) is very similar.
>(Just because they happen to be there does not mean they're not smart.)
Well, I ain't in no psychiatric ward no more, baby. See, I used that
superhuman energy. I ripped the washbasin out of the wall and smashed
out the windows and walked out into the night.
It took me a while to get round to it. It was right after you got the
lobotomy and then I really just had it. Before leaving, I tried to put
you out of your misery by smothering you in a pillow, but I guess I
didn't finish the job.
(Drat!)
>
> (2) Forget trying to use logic - you're utterly wasting your time.
Interesting. There are different ways of parsing this....
>Also forget ridicule - let's face it, he's better at that than we are.
<LOL>
Yeah, you got that one right, babe.
Not only that. I'm also better at writing template engines than you are....
<ROTFL>
>
> (3) Filtering his name from the list will cause him to come up with aliases -
>though sooner or later he'll run out of them. It's probably worth the effort, though.
>(Maybe we can classify him as a spammer and get the FTC to handle him?)
They'll never take me alive!
Regards,
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
FreeMarker-Velocity comparison page, http://freemarker.org/fmVsVel.html
>
> (4) The absolutely *best* response is no response. Simply ignore him. In all conversations, just refuse to acknowledge him. Eventually, his ego won't be able to handle it.
>
> I tried to bring this up a couple of weeks ago when he started, but many members of this list had apparently not gone through previous encounters with this individual. They thought I was being too critical.
>
> Bottom Line: resist the temptation to respond. A form of high-tech "shunning". It really works. Let's get on with Velocity - it still rocks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Terry
>
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