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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> on 2018/08/28 11:38:27 UTC
Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Hi all,
For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP --
because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and Tomas
Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation, which
would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on a
specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too -- JDK
11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated or
are in the list of pull requests.
So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK 11.
And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact that
a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature set,
i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update, justifying the
major release change, in my opinion.
How does that sound?
Related Wiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
Thanks,
Gj
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Jack Woehr <so...@gmail.com>.
I hope that CSS support can be updated with PHP because in my PHP
development CSS shortcomings in NB created the most annoyances!
SoftWoehr LLC <http://SoftWoehr.Com>
Legacy Transformation using Open Source Software
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:41 AM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the response Will. I certainly understand your position,
> whereby the Jakarta EE space is definitely very fluid at this point and
> there is no certain confirmation of a release date. I agree that we should
> not *hold up* the next Apache NetBeans release in an effort to try and get
> all of the Java EE modules into shape. That said, do we think it is
> possible to make a cut off date for inclusion of features into the Apache
> Netbeans 10 release? If we say that the cut off date is September 1st,
> then of course Java EE support will not be included in the release.
> However, if we say that October 1st is the cutoff, then maybe with lots of
> effort we could get the modules into shape on time. I know it will be lots
> of effort, but I'm just asking if we have any leeway here as far as feature
> inclusion. It would be great to say that Apache NetBeans 10 fully supports
> the development of Java EE 8 and Jakarta EE.
>
> BTW, I think that adding Java 11 and PHP support will be well more than
> enough new features to create a full release. I'm just a Java EE guy so
> I'm trying to take a community standpoint on that front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:08 AM Will Hartung <wi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know there are a lot of modules that
> >
> > > go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November,
> but
> > I
> > > thought I should at least propose.
> > >
> >
> > Honestly, that's a good reason to delay it.
> >
> > There is a LOT afoot in the JEE space right now, as they're going
> through a
> > similar event as NB is.
> >
> > In the end, it's all a matter of who has the time and skills to do what.
> > Ideally the bulk of the JEE is going to just a build and release. But
> with
> > the disruption, I think another quarter won't hurt it. I don't know how
> > many folks, as eager as they may be, are going to be jumping head first
> in
> > to the new releases.
> >
> > We have solid 8.2 support for JEE, still, and the PHP and J11 sounds like
> > actual new growth, which is good.
> >
> > But, as I said, in the end, if someone does the work, and vets the JEE
> > stuff and makes it available, no reason NOT to release it. But if you
> > wanted to make a coordinated push, I think letting JEE settled down a bit
> > more would be good.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Will Hartung
> >
> --
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the response Will. I certainly understand your position,
whereby the Jakarta EE space is definitely very fluid at this point and
there is no certain confirmation of a release date. I agree that we should
not *hold up* the next Apache NetBeans release in an effort to try and get
all of the Java EE modules into shape. That said, do we think it is
possible to make a cut off date for inclusion of features into the Apache
Netbeans 10 release? If we say that the cut off date is September 1st,
then of course Java EE support will not be included in the release.
However, if we say that October 1st is the cutoff, then maybe with lots of
effort we could get the modules into shape on time. I know it will be lots
of effort, but I'm just asking if we have any leeway here as far as feature
inclusion. It would be great to say that Apache NetBeans 10 fully supports
the development of Java EE 8 and Jakarta EE.
BTW, I think that adding Java 11 and PHP support will be well more than
enough new features to create a full release. I'm just a Java EE guy so
I'm trying to take a community standpoint on that front.
Thanks!
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:08 AM Will Hartung <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know there are a lot of modules that
>
> > go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November, but
> I
> > thought I should at least propose.
> >
>
> Honestly, that's a good reason to delay it.
>
> There is a LOT afoot in the JEE space right now, as they're going through a
> similar event as NB is.
>
> In the end, it's all a matter of who has the time and skills to do what.
> Ideally the bulk of the JEE is going to just a build and release. But with
> the disruption, I think another quarter won't hurt it. I don't know how
> many folks, as eager as they may be, are going to be jumping head first in
> to the new releases.
>
> We have solid 8.2 support for JEE, still, and the PHP and J11 sounds like
> actual new growth, which is good.
>
> But, as I said, in the end, if someone does the work, and vets the JEE
> stuff and makes it available, no reason NOT to release it. But if you
> wanted to make a coordinated push, I think letting JEE settled down a bit
> more would be good.
>
> Regards,
>
> Will Hartung
>
--
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Will Hartung <wi...@gmail.com>.
I know there are a lot of modules that
> go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November, but I
> thought I should at least propose.
>
Honestly, that's a good reason to delay it.
There is a LOT afoot in the JEE space right now, as they're going through a
similar event as NB is.
In the end, it's all a matter of who has the time and skills to do what.
Ideally the bulk of the JEE is going to just a build and release. But with
the disruption, I think another quarter won't hurt it. I don't know how
many folks, as eager as they may be, are going to be jumping head first in
to the new releases.
We have solid 8.2 support for JEE, still, and the PHP and J11 sounds like
actual new growth, which is good.
But, as I said, in the end, if someone does the work, and vets the JEE
stuff and makes it available, no reason NOT to release it. But if you
wanted to make a coordinated push, I think letting JEE settled down a bit
more would be good.
Regards,
Will Hartung
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
That sounds great @ehsavoie...thanks!
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:35 AM ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> @Josh maybe I could give you an hand there on the WildFly part at least
> (since we are nearing WF14 release I might have some time)
> Cheers,
>
> ----------
> Emmanuel Hugonnet
> http://www.ehsavoie.com
> http://twitter.com/ehsavoie
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:15 PM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think that keeping NetBeans moving with a more frequent release cadence
> > is a good idea. I only question how much additional effort it may be to
> > add Java EE support to Apache NetBeans 10. The reason I ask is because
> > Jakarta EE is supposed to be nearing a release sometime soon, as it was
> > targeted for third quarter, I believe. I think it would be great to have
> > full support for Java EE in Apache NetBeans when Jakarta EE 8 is
> released.
> > I am working on reviews of the glassfish modules right now, and I can
> move
> > onto javaee and j2ee modules next. I know there are a lot of modules
> that
> > go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November, but
> I
> > thought I should at least propose.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:04 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds ok to me. Use PHP a lot, not that much as I use JS and Angular
> but
> > > yeah. PHP + JS is to much, you think?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Von: Carl Mosca
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2018 13:57
> > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Betreff: Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
> > >
> > > That sounds like a good plan to me. I don't do a lot of PHP these days
> > but
> > > I do believe there's a significant NB following there. Moving to 10
> > > recognizing the next JDK support makes sense.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP
> > --
> > > > because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and
> > > Tomas
> > > > Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
> > > >
> > > > Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation,
> > > which
> > > > would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on
> a
> > > > specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
> > > >
> > > > However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too
> --
> > > JDK
> > > > 11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated
> > or
> > > > are in the list of pull requests.
> > > >
> > > > So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK
> 11.
> > > >
> > > > And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact
> > > that
> > > > a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature
> > set,
> > > > i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update,
> justifying
> > > the
> > > > major release change, in my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > How does that sound?
> > > >
> > > > Related Wiki:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carl J. Mosca
> > >
> > > --
> > Josh Juneau
> > juneau001@gmail.com
> > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> > https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >
>
--
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com>.
@Josh maybe I could give you an hand there on the WildFly part at least
(since we are nearing WF14 release I might have some time)
Cheers,
----------
Emmanuel Hugonnet
http://www.ehsavoie.com
http://twitter.com/ehsavoie
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:15 PM Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that keeping NetBeans moving with a more frequent release cadence
> is a good idea. I only question how much additional effort it may be to
> add Java EE support to Apache NetBeans 10. The reason I ask is because
> Jakarta EE is supposed to be nearing a release sometime soon, as it was
> targeted for third quarter, I believe. I think it would be great to have
> full support for Java EE in Apache NetBeans when Jakarta EE 8 is released.
> I am working on reviews of the glassfish modules right now, and I can move
> onto javaee and j2ee modules next. I know there are a lot of modules that
> go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November, but I
> thought I should at least propose.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:04 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds ok to me. Use PHP a lot, not that much as I use JS and Angular but
> > yeah. PHP + JS is to much, you think?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Carl Mosca
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2018 13:57
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
> >
> > That sounds like a good plan to me. I don't do a lot of PHP these days
> but
> > I do believe there's a significant NB following there. Moving to 10
> > recognizing the next JDK support makes sense.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP
> --
> > > because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and
> > Tomas
> > > Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
> > >
> > > Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation,
> > which
> > > would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on a
> > > specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
> > >
> > > However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too --
> > JDK
> > > 11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated
> or
> > > are in the list of pull requests.
> > >
> > > So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK 11.
> > >
> > > And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact
> > that
> > > a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature
> set,
> > > i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update, justifying
> > the
> > > major release change, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > How does that sound?
> > >
> > > Related Wiki:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carl J. Mosca
> >
> > --
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
I think that keeping NetBeans moving with a more frequent release cadence
is a good idea. I only question how much additional effort it may be to
add Java EE support to Apache NetBeans 10. The reason I ask is because
Jakarta EE is supposed to be nearing a release sometime soon, as it was
targeted for third quarter, I believe. I think it would be great to have
full support for Java EE in Apache NetBeans when Jakarta EE 8 is released.
I am working on reviews of the glassfish modules right now, and I can move
onto javaee and j2ee modules next. I know there are a lot of modules that
go into Java EE support, so it will be tough to make it by November, but I
thought I should at least propose.
Thanks
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:04 AM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Sounds ok to me. Use PHP a lot, not that much as I use JS and Angular but
> yeah. PHP + JS is to much, you think?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Carl Mosca
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2018 13:57
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
>
> That sounds like a good plan to me. I don't do a lot of PHP these days but
> I do believe there's a significant NB following there. Moving to 10
> recognizing the next JDK support makes sense.
>
> Carl
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP --
> > because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and
> Tomas
> > Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
> >
> > Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation,
> which
> > would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on a
> > specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
> >
> > However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too --
> JDK
> > 11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated or
> > are in the list of pull requests.
> >
> > So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK 11.
> >
> > And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact
> that
> > a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature set,
> > i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update, justifying
> the
> > major release change, in my opinion.
> >
> > How does that sound?
> >
> > Related Wiki:
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
>
>
> --
> Carl J. Mosca
>
> --
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
AW: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Sounds ok to me. Use PHP a lot, not that much as I use JS and Angular but yeah. PHP + JS is to much, you think?
Cheers
Chris
Von: Carl Mosca
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2018 13:57
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
That sounds like a good plan to me. I don't do a lot of PHP these days but
I do believe there's a significant NB following there. Moving to 10
recognizing the next JDK support makes sense.
Carl
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP --
> because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and Tomas
> Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
>
> Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation, which
> would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on a
> specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
>
> However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too -- JDK
> 11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated or
> are in the list of pull requests.
>
> So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK 11.
>
> And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact that
> a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature set,
> i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update, justifying the
> major release change, in my opinion.
>
> How does that sound?
>
> Related Wiki:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
--
Carl J. Mosca
Re: Proposal: Apache NetBeans 10 for November release
Posted by Carl Mosca <ca...@gmail.com>.
That sounds like a good plan to me. I don't do a lot of PHP these days but
I do believe there's a significant NB following there. Moving to 10
recognizing the next JDK support makes sense.
Carl
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> For the November release, I propose that we focus specifically on PHP --
> because those features are popular and because, thanks to Junichi and Tomas
> Mysik, there are enhancements in that area since 8.2.
>
> Rather than trying to release everything that is in the 2nd donation, which
> would be a lot of work, it would be better in my opinion to focus on a
> specific subset instead, i.e., the PHP cluster.
>
> However, from the Java side there'd be a significant enhancement too -- JDK
> 11 support, i.e., pull requests for that have already been integrated or
> are in the list of pull requests.
>
> So --- the two drivers of the November release would be PHP and JDK 11.
>
> And I propose that the release number to be 10 -- because of the fact that
> a whole new JDK release is supported as well as a whole new feature set,
> i.e., PHP: that's a significant change, not a minor update, justifying the
> major release change, in my opinion.
>
> How does that sound?
>
> Related Wiki:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
--
Carl J. Mosca