RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these tags libs?

[Mike Jasnowski <mj...@bea.com>]

IMO, I wouldn't take examples like that as a "best" practice for using tags.
In some cases I think people sometime try to squeeze too much functionality
out of a set of tags, rather than creating higher-level tags to accomplish
what they want.   Or there might be shortcomings in the tags they're using
to achieve it in a cleaner way.

>if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and not a
>true tag why

Why not write/refactor the tag to do what you want? Why do you have to
resort to scriplets?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bailey, Shane C. [mailto:SHANE.C.BAILEY@saic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:09 AM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these tags
libs?




As Ranko asked, about the redundancy of Struts I would like to know that the
heck is the deal with SOME of these tag libs out there?

I mean, look at this: <c:if test="${index%2==0}"> and look at this: <%
if(index.intValue()%2==0){ %>



I like NOT to use Java scriptlets in my JSPs and I am pretty decent at
achieving that but

if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and not a
true tag why

have people (code maintainers and the original coder in the first place)
learn a new "language"

and just use a scriptlet?



Seeing $var like tag code that makes me think this is some sort of
conspiracy so that all the

UNIX admins, with their UNIX scripts, who needed new jobs, since WinTel is
taking over, starting

writing "tag" libraries.



I mean really, what is the deal with these so called "tags" that aren't
tags?

JavaScript was cool when it came out (and wasn't developed by Sun) because
if you knew Java then

you were about 90% there to being a great JavaScripter.



So I say Ranko, are you just as bewildered at this as I am?



:-)



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RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these tags libs?

[Brian McSweeney <br...@aurium.net>]

What's really so wrong with scriptlets?


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jasnowski [mailto:mjasnows@bea.com] 
Sent: 23 July 2003 15:30
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these
tags libs?

IMO, I wouldn't take examples like that as a "best" practice for using
tags.
In some cases I think people sometime try to squeeze too much
functionality
out of a set of tags, rather than creating higher-level tags to
accomplish
what they want.   Or there might be shortcomings in the tags they're
using
to achieve it in a cleaner way.

>if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and
not a
>true tag why

Why not write/refactor the tag to do what you want? Why do you have to
resort to scriplets?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bailey, Shane C. [mailto:SHANE.C.BAILEY@saic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:09 AM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these tags
libs?




As Ranko asked, about the redundancy of Struts I would like to know that
the
heck is the deal with SOME of these tag libs out there?

I mean, look at this: <c:if test="${index%2==0}"> and look at this: <%
if(index.intValue()%2==0){ %>



I like NOT to use Java scriptlets in my JSPs and I am pretty decent at
achieving that but

if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and not
a
true tag why

have people (code maintainers and the original coder in the first place)
learn a new "language"

and just use a scriptlet?



Seeing $var like tag code that makes me think this is some sort of
conspiracy so that all the

UNIX admins, with their UNIX scripts, who needed new jobs, since WinTel
is
taking over, starting

writing "tag" libraries.



I mean really, what is the deal with these so called "tags" that aren't
tags?

JavaScript was cool when it came out (and wasn't developed by Sun)
because
if you knew Java then

you were about 90% there to being a great JavaScripter.



So I say Ranko, are you just as bewildered at this as I am?



:-)



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