Graduation

[Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>]

Does anyone see any reason we shouldn't ask the incubator to vote on
our graduation?  We've got plenty of committers (in various states of
activity, but still, plenty), we're a diverse community, we have no
legal issues that I'm aware of, and I think we're just fine as far as
becoming our own top level project.  Honestly, at this point if we're
not ready we never will be and we might as well just pack up and go
home.

Any thoughts?  If there are no objections I'll put together a mail to
the incubator general list.

-garrett

Re: Graduation

[Jim Ancona <ji...@anconafamily.com>]

No objection from me either.

Jim

David Calavera wrote:
> Soooo, I forgot it, no objections to the graduation
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:32 AM, David Calavera <da...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris, I think Dan and the Mule guys have been using the version 0.4 for
>> some time, but if you want to migrate to 0.4 now I recommend you to wait
>> some weeks and the version 0.5 should be done.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> I was under the impression that graduation == 1.0.
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious
>>>>> load/stability test?
>>>>> I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large
>>>>> memory
>>>>> leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
>>>>> And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for it to
>>>>> stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
>>>>> But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed a
>>>>> great
>>>>> deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
>>>>> Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort of
>>>>> test
>>>>> prior to 1.0 ?
>>>>> We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should use
>>>>> a
>>>>> relatively real world app to load test with)
>>>>>
>>>>> All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should
>>>>> indicate that the API is relatively fixed.
>>>>>
>>>> Let me reiterate:  Graduation has NOTHING to do with technical
>>>> readiness for any given release.  It is simply moving the project from
>>>> the incubator to its own top level ASF project.  There is no
>>>> indication that any API is finalized when we graduate, there is no
>>>> need to do a special release, etc.
>>>>
>>>> That isn't to say that all of the things you're mentioning shouldn't
>>>> be done, of course they should be.  It's just to say that graduation
>>>> is about the state of the project's community, and is largely
>>>> orthogonal to the state of the actual code.
>>>>
>>>> -garrett
>>>>
>>> S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> David Calavera
>> http://www.thinkincode.net
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Graduation

[David Calavera <da...@gmail.com>]

Soooo, I forgot it, no objections to the graduation

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:32 AM, David Calavera <da...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Chris, I think Dan and the Mule guys have been using the version 0.4 for
> some time, but if you want to migrate to 0.4 now I recommend you to wait
> some weeks and the version 0.5 should be done.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks.
>> I was under the impression that graduation == 1.0.
>> Cheers,
>> -- Chris
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious
>>>> load/stability test?
>>>> I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large
>>>> memory
>>>> leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
>>>> And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for it to
>>>> stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
>>>> But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed a
>>>> great
>>>> deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
>>>> Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort of
>>>> test
>>>> prior to 1.0 ?
>>>> We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should use
>>>> a
>>>> relatively real world app to load test with)
>>>>
>>>> All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should
>>>> indicate that the API is relatively fixed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me reiterate:  Graduation has NOTHING to do with technical
>>> readiness for any given release.  It is simply moving the project from
>>> the incubator to its own top level ASF project.  There is no
>>> indication that any API is finalized when we graduate, there is no
>>> need to do a special release, etc.
>>>
>>> That isn't to say that all of the things you're mentioning shouldn't
>>> be done, of course they should be.  It's just to say that graduation
>>> is about the state of the project's community, and is largely
>>> orthogonal to the state of the actual code.
>>>
>>> -garrett
>>>
>>
>> S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Calavera
> http://www.thinkincode.net
>



-- 
David Calavera
http://www.thinkincode.net

Re: Graduation

[David Calavera <da...@gmail.com>]

Hi Chris, I think Dan and the Mule guys have been using the version 0.4 for
some time, but if you want to migrate to 0.4 now I recommend you to wait
some weeks and the version 0.5 should be done.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks.
> I was under the impression that graduation == 1.0.
> Cheers,
> -- Chris
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote:
>
>  On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious
>>> load/stability test?
>>> I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large memory
>>> leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
>>> And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for it to
>>> stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
>>> But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed a
>>> great
>>> deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
>>> Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort of test
>>> prior to 1.0 ?
>>> We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should use a
>>> relatively real world app to load test with)
>>>
>>> All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should
>>> indicate that the API is relatively fixed.
>>>
>>
>> Let me reiterate:  Graduation has NOTHING to do with technical
>> readiness for any given release.  It is simply moving the project from
>> the incubator to its own top level ASF project.  There is no
>> indication that any API is finalized when we graduate, there is no
>> need to do a special release, etc.
>>
>> That isn't to say that all of the things you're mentioning shouldn't
>> be done, of course they should be.  It's just to say that graduation
>> is about the state of the project's community, and is largely
>> orthogonal to the state of the actual code.
>>
>> -garrett
>>
>
> S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com
>
>
>
>


-- 
David Calavera
http://www.thinkincode.net

Re: Graduation

[Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>]

Thanks.
I was under the impression that graduation == 1.0.
Cheers,
-- Chris

On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Chris Berry  
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious
>> load/stability test?
>> I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large  
>> memory
>> leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
>> And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for  
>> it to
>> stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
>> But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed  
>> a great
>> deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
>> Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort  
>> of test
>> prior to 1.0 ?
>> We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should  
>> use a
>> relatively real world app to load test with)
>>
>> All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should
>> indicate that the API is relatively fixed.
>
> Let me reiterate:  Graduation has NOTHING to do with technical
> readiness for any given release.  It is simply moving the project from
> the incubator to its own top level ASF project.  There is no
> indication that any API is finalized when we graduate, there is no
> need to do a special release, etc.
>
> That isn't to say that all of the things you're mentioning shouldn't
> be done, of course they should be.  It's just to say that graduation
> is about the state of the project's community, and is largely
> orthogonal to the state of the actual code.
>
> -garrett

S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com

Re: Graduation

[Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious
> load/stability test?
> I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large memory
> leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
> And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for it to
> stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
> But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed a great
> deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
> Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort of test
> prior to 1.0 ?
> We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should use a
> relatively real world app to load test with)
>
> All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should
> indicate that the API is relatively fixed.

Let me reiterate:  Graduation has NOTHING to do with technical
readiness for any given release.  It is simply moving the project from
the incubator to its own top level ASF project.  There is no
indication that any API is finalized when we graduate, there is no
need to do a special release, etc.

That isn't to say that all of the things you're mentioning shouldn't
be done, of course they should be.  It's just to say that graduation
is about the state of the project's community, and is largely
orthogonal to the state of the actual code.

-garrett

Re: Graduation

[Chris Berry <ch...@gmail.com>]

Only one question. Has anyone run Abdera 0.4.X through a serious load/ 
stability test?
I ask this because we are still on 0.3.0 which had some very large  
memory leaks that we've patched (and sent info about to Abdera).
And we have not yet upgraded to 0.4.X because we were waiting for it  
to stabilize and most bugs to get expunged.
But mostly because upgrading will not be trivial as the API changed a  
great deal between 0.3 and 0.4.
Given this history, it might be prudent that Abdera get that sort of  
test prior to 1.0 ?
We would do it, but as I said, are still at 0.3.0. (And one should use  
a relatively real world app to load test with)

All that said, we are very eager to see the graduation, which should  
indicate that the API is relatively fixed.
Thanks,
-- Chris

http://www.atomserver.org

On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote:

> Does anyone see any reason we shouldn't ask the incubator to vote on
> our graduation?  We've got plenty of committers (in various states of
> activity, but still, plenty), we're a diverse community, we have no
> legal issues that I'm aware of, and I think we're just fine as far as
> becoming our own top level project.  Honestly, at this point if we're
> not ready we never will be and we might as well just pack up and go
> home.
>
> Any thoughts?  If there are no objections I'll put together a mail to
> the incubator general list.
>
> -garrett

S'all good  ---   chriswberry at gmail dot com