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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> on 2011/10/14 14:07:22 UTC

Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues 
around the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the 
new Apache OpenOffice.org podling.

http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement

(Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link 
suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:

   http://s.apache.org/XCP

- Shane

Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Donald Harbison wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> There are already comments that require response.
>> 
>> Don H? Shane?
>> 
>> 
> Links please. There's alot, so I'm interested to see which ones you feel are
> priority.

I was referring to this comment:

Posted by www.meneame.net on October 14, 2011 at 12:54 PM GMT+00:00 #

Unless I'm mistaken, nothing has happened in the last 6 months: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300

Which was answered by Ross.

I am avoiding making any comments... my parents taught me ... although I sometimes forget ...

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>> 
>>> The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues
>> around the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the new
>> Apache OpenOffice.org podling.
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement
>>> 
>>> (Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link
>> suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:
>>> 
>>> http://s.apache.org/XCP
>>> 
>>> - Shane
>> 
>> 


Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:

> There are already comments that require response.
>
> Don H? Shane?
>
>
Links please. There's alot, so I'm interested to see which ones you feel are
priority.


> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
> > The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues
> around the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the new
> Apache OpenOffice.org podling.
> >
> >
> http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement
> >
> > (Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link
> suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:
> >
> >  http://s.apache.org/XCP
> >
> > - Shane
>
>

Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
There are already comments that require response.

Don H? Shane?

Regards,
Dave

On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:

> The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues around the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the new Apache OpenOffice.org podling.
> 
> http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement
> 
> (Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:
> 
>  http://s.apache.org/XCP
> 
> - Shane


Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Martin Hollmichel
<ma...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am 17.10.2011 20:52, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>>
>>  "If it didn't happen on the mailing list, it didn't happen."
>
> I understand your point, but: Do you think you have all relevant
> stakeholders here on the list ? Do we have a common understanding who these
> stakeholders are ?
>

We do now ;-)

-Rob



> Martin
>

Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Martin Hollmichel <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Am 17.10.2011 20:52, schrieb Shane Curcuru:
>   "If it didn't happen on the mailing list, it didn't happen."
I understand your point, but: Do you think you have all relevant 
stakeholders here on the list ? Do we have a common understanding who 
these stakeholders are ?

Martin

Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
On 10/17/2011 1:58 PM, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
> Am 14.10.2011 18:22, schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Whereas it is in the self-interest of those entities
> Hmm, I think it's not that easy. We see Team OpenOffice.org (as the
> legal entity behind the old Community Council) still in the
> repsonsibilty of an uncredible amount of users which gave their support
> in the last decade to OpenOffice.org (the old one).
> And it was not Team OpenOffice.org acting so that we going to have two
> forks of the old codebase in the future.
> We'd look foward to support collaboration and to re-unify forces, so
> that we come to a stronger product and project than we ever had, but I
> don't think that it helps to ignore history of OpenOfffice.org completly,
>
> Martin (Team OpenOffice.org e.V.)

That's great news - I'm sure with your experience the Apache OpenOffice 
PPMC will be very glad to see you participating on the mailing lists 
here and helping to get a new release out for the podling.  8-)

I understand that this is a difficult situation for a large number of 
people and organizations.  The best way forward here at Apache is to 
work with this PPMC on figuring out the new way forward with a future 
Apache OpenOffice product that can make use of as much of the great code 
and goodwill that the previous OpenOffice.org project created as 
possible - both so we can support the end-users looking for a 
high-quality product, and so we can support other developers wishing to 
use our permissively-licensed code.

Two key factors for moving forward here at Apache include:

- Working in the Apache Way, on our public mailing lists.  I'll repeat 
an old phrase that is critical to understanding how we work:

   "If it didn't happen on the mailing list, it didn't happen."

- Working with the PPMC - and other relevant organizations - to respect 
everyone's trademarks.  That includes the "OpenOffice.org" registered 
trademark and logo which now belong to the ASF here in the USand other 
countries, as well as the many other closely related trademarks used by 
third parties in various countries.

- Shane

Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Martin Hollmichel <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Am 14.10.2011 18:22, schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> Whereas it is in the self-interest of those entities
Hmm, I think it's not that easy. We see Team OpenOffice.org (as the 
legal entity behind the old Community Council) still in the 
repsonsibilty of an uncredible amount of users which gave their support 
in the last decade to OpenOffice.org (the old one).
And it was not Team OpenOffice.org acting so that we going to have two 
forks of the old codebase in the future.
We'd look foward to support collaboration and to re-unify forces, so 
that we come to a stronger product and project than we ever had, but I 
don't think that it helps to ignore history of OpenOfffice.org completly,

Martin (Team OpenOffice.org e.V.)


Re: Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
As the PR states, there is a lot of FUD floating around from
*many* people and orgs that OpenOffice is dead, that the Open
Office podling has failed, that to keep Open Office "alive"
people must cough up money to help make that happen, etc…

Whereas it is in the self-interest of those entities to
create this confusion, no matter how much it damages the
entire Open Office ecosystem, the ASF is trying to set the
record straight, and clearly indicate that the potential
for Open Office is brighter than it has ever been, as long
as we all work together. Open Office is alive. The podling is
doing quite well. That donations are not being solicited or
"required" to keep Open Office as a viable codebase, etc...

If LibreOffice, as an entity, or people "behind" or "involved"
with LO are guilty of the above, then of course the PR applies
to them. If innocent, then of course it does not.

We are not pointing fingers at all; if people think it does
apply to them, the real issue is for them to do some soul
searching and honestly ask themselves why they feel that way.

On Oct 14, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:

> Folk here at the LibreOffice conference are asking me why Apache has put out
> a release they read as implying criticism of LibreOffice. Can you give me a
> response I can give them please? I'll be speaking at the closing session on
> Saturday.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> S.
> On Oct 14, 2011 2:07 PM, "Shane Curcuru" <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> 
>> The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues around
>> the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the new Apache
>> OpenOffice.org podling.
>> 
>> http://blogs.apache.org/**foundation/entry/the_apache_**
>> software_foundation_statement<http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement>
>> 
>> (Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link
>> suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:
>> 
>> http://s.apache.org/XCP
>> 
>> - Shane
>> 


Re:Foundation blog posting on Apache OOo

Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
Folk here at the LibreOffice conference are asking me why Apache has put out
a release they read as implying criticism of LibreOffice. Can you give me a
response I can give them please? I'll be speaking at the closing session on
Saturday.

Cheers

S.
On Oct 14, 2011 2:07 PM, "Shane Curcuru" <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:

> The press@ team has a new blog entry/announce@ about general issues around
> the transition from the previous OpenOffice.org project to the new Apache
> OpenOffice.org podling.
>
> http://blogs.apache.org/**foundation/entry/the_apache_**
> software_foundation_statement<http://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_statement>
>
> (Argh, my mail client may have wrapped the line.)  For a short link
> suitable for tweeting, etc., please use:
>
>  http://s.apache.org/XCP
>
> - Shane
>