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[jira] Created: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need implemented
language specific docs need implemented
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Key: DERBY-868
URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
Project: Derby
Type: Improvement
Components: Documentation
Environment: any
Reporter: scott hutinger
Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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Re: [jira] Created: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need implemented
Posted by Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com>.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for the reminder. This slipped off my radar due to the
holidays. My current thinking is to just add a pt_BR subdirectory
underneath src, building to a pt_BR subdirectory in out, and we can
move the current docs down into an en (or en_US) dir sometime in the
future.
andrew
On Jan 24, 2006, at 11:43 AM, scott hutinger (JIRA) wrote:
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
>
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English
> somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in
> the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to
> indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important
> myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of
> swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
>
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for
> multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a
> brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure
> out the architecture in the future.
>
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
implemented
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Jean T. Anderson commented on DERBY-868:
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I'm not sure I understand this: "I asked Jean if any nice method to include many languages might exist within the document web pages."
Are you asking about displaying the translated doc from the web site? Adding links for translated docs to http://db.apache.org/derby/manuals/ shouldn't be any issue at all -- easy to do. Or are you asking something else?
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "Daniel John Debrunner (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Daniel John Debrunner commented on DERBY-868:
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To expand a little (I'm not al lawyer etc.):
Submitting a contribution thorugh Jira and clicking the ASL box or the mailing lists says you are licencing this contribution
(to the ASF) under the ASLv2, with the *assumption* that you own the copyright & IP of the contribution.
But there are no guarantees to the ASF that you really do own the copyright, maybe your employee owns the copyright of
everything you do, maybe you copied the contribution from another open source project (under a different license).
The ICLA is the extra step that says everything you contribute to the ASF I do have the right to contribute, either
because you own the copyright/IP or your employer owns the copyright/IP and they have given permission for the
contribution.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
implemented
Posted by "Daniel John Debrunner (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Daniel John Debrunner commented on DERBY-868:
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Is more needed on the ICLA than exists at:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/
?
See the 'Contributor License Agreements' section about two-thirds of the way down the page.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "scott hutinger (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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scott hutinger commented on DERBY-868:
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Ok, "you" have the right :-) But I'm a bit uncertain about 'which right's' are given if an ICLA still is needed. But that's OK, I don't understand lot's of things.
But it looks like Jean and Andrew has taken care of everything to get Halley's translation up and running once the ICLA comes in. Thanks everyone, and this is really cool :-)
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "Daniel John Debrunner (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Daniel John Debrunner commented on DERBY-868:
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Should have been '... to the ASF *you* do have the right ..." in the last sentence, not "I".
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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Re: [doc] Changes to web site manuals tab
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Andrew McIntyre wrote:
>
>>On 2/22/06, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'd like to make two changes up front:
>>>- Reorder by revision with the most recent ("Latest Alpha Manuals") at
>>>the top and the oldest ("10.0 Manuals") listed last.
>>>- Move the "DITA Source" page out from the Alpha section under "About"
>>>
>>>Sound good so far?
>>
>>
>>Yes, that's a great idea. If you could please, while you're there, add
>>the workaround in DERBY-710 for building the reference manual to the
>>appropriate page on building the docs. If you don't have time, I'll
>>get to it eventually.
>
>
> ok, will do -- the ANT_OPTS="-Xms100m -Xmx200m" tip should go on
> http://db.apache.org/derby/manuals/dita.html
>
I added the info to step 4 in
http://db.apache.org/derby/manuals/dita.html#Setting+up+your+environment .
Andrew, if this is adequate, would you close DERBY-710?
thanks,
Re: [doc] Changes to web site manuals tab
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrew McIntyre wrote:
> On 2/22/06, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd like to make two changes up front:
>> - Reorder by revision with the most recent ("Latest Alpha Manuals") at
>>the top and the oldest ("10.0 Manuals") listed last.
>> - Move the "DITA Source" page out from the Alpha section under "About"
>>
>>Sound good so far?
>
>
> Yes, that's a great idea. If you could please, while you're there, add
> the workaround in DERBY-710 for building the reference manual to the
> appropriate page on building the docs. If you don't have time, I'll
> get to it eventually.
ok, will do -- the ANT_OPTS="-Xms100m -Xmx200m" tip should go on
http://db.apache.org/derby/manuals/dita.html
-jean
> The new layout which adds the translated manual in a separate section
> looks good.
>
> andrew
Re: [doc] Changes to web site manuals tab
Posted by Andrew McIntyre <mc...@gmail.com>.
On 2/22/06, Jean T. Anderson <jt...@bristowhill.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to make two changes up front:
> - Reorder by revision with the most recent ("Latest Alpha Manuals") at
> the top and the oldest ("10.0 Manuals") listed last.
> - Move the "DITA Source" page out from the Alpha section under "About"
>
> Sound good so far?
Yes, that's a great idea. If you could please, while you're there, add
the workaround in DERBY-710 for building the reference manual to the
appropriate page on building the docs. If you don't have time, I'll
get to it eventually.
The new layout which adds the translated manual in a separate section
looks good.
andrew
[doc] Changes to web site manuals tab
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Andrew added Halley's translation of the Getting Started Guide and
hooked it into the nightly build (DERBY-868, DERBY-780).
I'll look for the nightly build to generate it, then hook it into the
web site.
But first take a look at the manuals tab at
http://db.apache.org/derby/manuals/index.html .
I'd like to make two changes up front:
- Reorder by revision with the most recent ("Latest Alpha Manuals") at
the top and the oldest ("10.0 Manuals") listed last.
- Move the "DITA Source" page out from the Alpha section under "About"
Sound good so far?
What's the best way to incorporate translated docs? How well does this
work for Halley's translation of the Getting Started guide to Brazilian
Portueguese?
Latest Alpha Manuals
- English
- API
- Getting Started
- Reference
- Developer's Guide
- Tuning Derby
- Server & Admin
- Tools & Utility Guide
- Brazilian Portuguese
- Introdução ao Derby
[jira] Resolved: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
implemented
Posted by "Andrew McIntyre (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868?page=all ]
Andrew McIntyre resolved DERBY-868:
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Fix Version: 10.2.0.0
Resolution: Fixed
Assign To: Andrew McIntyre
Committed revision 379979. pt_BR build hooked into main build.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Assignee: Andrew McIntyre
> Fix For: 10.2.0.0
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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Posted by "Andrew McIntyre (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Andrew McIntyre commented on DERBY-868:
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Also note that once the translated files are committed and hooked into the build, the new translated manual will be sync'd over to http://db.apache.org/derby/docs/dev/ with the rest of the nightly doc build.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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scott hutinger commented on DERBY-868:
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Jean noted the problem with the ICLA, I have sent email to Halley Pacheco de Oliveira and Jean T. Anderson at the same time noting the ICLA problem. I asked Jean if any nice method to include many languages might exist within the document web pages.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "scott hutinger (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868?page=comments#action_12364643 ]
scott hutinger commented on DERBY-868:
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Halley Pacheco de Oliveira has an ICLA coming in. I would agree with Halley, that if you click the button when putting files in a JIRA issue, that it's OK to use the code, that a ICLA shouldn't be needed. Although I am not a lawyer, I would query Apache to expound a bit about this issue. It's confusing to people, including myself and Halley.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "scott hutinger (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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scott hutinger commented on DERBY-868:
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BTW, the confusion I stated about clicking on the ASF agree button is all mine. Not Halley...
So no confusion exists about who is confused about what. I just find it strange that two items need to exist, although if I think about it enough, then I can see the need for two items. One (the ICLA) states the obvious, and the button on the web pages states that this is a 'specific' item, not the general one.
Sorry for the digression... Everyone.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "Andrew McIntyre (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Andrew McIntyre commented on DERBY-868:
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With revision 372013, I've checked in beginning build infrastructure for pt_BR. Just put the translated 'getstart' directory of files into the pt_BR directory, and run 'ant pt_BR' at the top. I'd like to keep the details of the build for the translations with the translated files. At some point in the future, the English manuals should be refactored similarly.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
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Posted by "Andrew McIntyre (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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Andrew McIntyre commented on DERBY-868:
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Note also that the current translation of the Getting Started manual referred to in the description cannot yet be committed, as the contributor does not have an ICLA on file.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
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[jira] Updated: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need implemented
Posted by "scott hutinger (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
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scott hutinger updated DERBY-868:
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Attachment: pt_BR_build.diff
The diff is a brute force method of a build, along with the following information:
[srh@scott trunk]$ ls src
adminguide devguide dtd getstart getstart_pt_BR ref tools tuning
[srh@scott trunk]$ ls out
adminguide devguide getstart getstart_pt_BR ref tools tuning
[srh@scott trunk]$
This attack is pretty bad, but allows for the build currently at the moment. It's a start to get something going, although it's not a
pretty architecture. The only reason I suggest this, is for the following reason:
drwxrwxr-x 2 srh srh 4096 Dec 22 14:39 getstart_pt_BR
This was from December 22, 2005. It's now been a month :-)
> language specific docs need implemented
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>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
implemented
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868?page=comments#action_12364693 ]
Jean T. Anderson commented on DERBY-868:
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Confusion is understandable -- and has popped up elsewhere. See DERBY-587. I'll add an faq to the web site.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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[jira] Commented: (DERBY-868) language specific docs need
implemented
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson (JIRA)" <de...@db.apache.org>.
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868?page=comments#action_12367426 ]
Jean T. Anderson commented on DERBY-868:
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Halley's ICLA is now recorded at the ASF.
> language specific docs need implemented
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Key: DERBY-868
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-868
> Project: Derby
> Type: Improvement
> Components: Documentation
> Environment: any
> Reporter: scott hutinger
> Attachments: pt_BR_build.diff
>
> Derby Docs needs to implement languages other than US English somewhat quickly. Currently a document exists that should be in the build environment. If no action is taken, this seems to indicate that this is not important. I feel this is very important myself, although I only speak english and a very small bit of swahili (university course instead of art) :-)
> Currently some architecture needs to be in place to allow for multiple additions of languages fairly easily. I would vote for a brute force attack and add the current document today, and figure out the architecture in the future.
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