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[RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Vote succeeded by lazy consensus.
I will continue the process.
thanks,
Robert
On 24-1-2020 11:05:15, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
Although there wasn't an explicit -1, I noticed some concerns.
I would like to complete the process properly so would like to see from John and Justin if we can continue?
If not, what do you expect before finishing this process?
regards,
Robert
On 10-1-2020 16:03:16, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
I don't want to split these IP clearances. It doesn't make sense to adopt one without the other.
Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.
thanks.
Robert
On 2020/01/06 23:17:33, "John D. Ament" wrote:
> Dropping private list for previously mentioned reason.
>
> In order for us to accept the Takari Maven Plugin, it's currently EPL v1.
> We allow these to be distributed in binary form. For us to accept the
> plugin, I would expect an SGA from Takari allowing the relicensing.
>
> The Maven Wrapper i think is much clearer. Most of the code was actually
> written by individuals with ICLAs on file with the ASF. It's already
> Apache Licensed. It has no declared NOTICES either.
>
> To simplify things, perhaps it would be easier to have two IP clearances,
> one for the wrapper and one for the plugin. They should have different
> needs.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:30 PM Robert Scholte wrote:
>
> >
> > On 6-1-2020 22:24:09, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > HI,
> >
> > Confirmed IP Clearance from all active committers:
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7c8fc7fa0fc677c24504d948d7d71e6cdebdb952c9ca0a2183460726%40%3Cprivate.maven.apache.org%3E
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/bd38cce5904d805b8526593996fcfec17ba4c8b6d8a18d66261d072c%40%3Cprivate.maven.apache.org%3E
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/00102361655d35ea939d44e522d9dd1fb4894af20ac418a1ef5973be%40%3Cprivate.maven.apache.org%3E
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/7459ee80b46bef0c2f4640700a3ee4bad46ae64bb3dad54f8c7896a3%40%3Cprivate.maven.apache.org%3E
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0a9e690562ffe25ede5b601600e6b7edd5f1c70a2aaffddabbf5f85f%40%3Cprivate.maven.apache.org%3E
> > with this we have secured all IP for both repositories.
> >
> >
> > Github list 35 contributors for [1], and 7 contributors for [2] without an
> > SGA I think you would require ICLAs from all significant contributors, not
> > just current ones.
> >
> > *Robert Scholte:*
> > I did an analysis of all the commits. The 5 mentioned are the only
> > significant contributors.
> > Attached (if accepted) an excel sheet with all the details.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://github.com/takari/maven-wrapper/graphs/contributors
> > 2. https://github.com/takari/takari-maven-plugin
> >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
IMO we’ve already had the vote so no need to do it again.
> Guess after releasing that as apache once and updating the maven-wrapper scripts accordingly we can finally get rid of some of the controversial bits in our releases.
Unless you include the jar :-)
Justin
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Great ... :-)
really looking forward to finally having this resolved AND the maven-wrapper itself as part of the Maven project.
Guess after releasing that as apache once and updating the maven-wrapper scripts accordingly we can finally get rid of some of the controversial bits in our releases.
Chris
Am 09.02.20, 13:12 schrieb "Robert Scholte" <rf...@apache.org>:
I've updated incubator page[1].
Do we still need a vote to complete the process?
There was already an agreement on maven-wrapper, there was only discussion about the maven-wrapper-plugin, which has been removed from the page.
thanks,
Robert
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-wrapper.html
On 7-2-2020 20:06:19, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
After sharing the information with the Maven PMC, we want to do the following:
- accept Maven wrapper.
- don't wait for Walmart to hand over a SGA for the wrapper-plugin. Instead we will start to write our own maven-wrapper-plugin. This is actually a very small plugin, won't require a lot of effort to get it running.
thanks,
Robert
On 4-2-2020 19:28:03, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks John, I'll share this with the PMC and we'll let you now what we'll decide.
Robert
On 4-2-2020 17:07:31, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <>
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org>.
I've updated incubator page[1].
Do we still need a vote to complete the process?
There was already an agreement on maven-wrapper, there was only discussion about the maven-wrapper-plugin, which has been removed from the page.
thanks,
Robert
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/maven-wrapper.html
On 7-2-2020 20:06:19, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
After sharing the information with the Maven PMC, we want to do the following:
- accept Maven wrapper.
- don't wait for Walmart to hand over a SGA for the wrapper-plugin. Instead we will start to write our own maven-wrapper-plugin. This is actually a very small plugin, won't require a lot of effort to get it running.
thanks,
Robert
On 4-2-2020 19:28:03, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks John, I'll share this with the PMC and we'll let you now what we'll decide.
Robert
On 4-2-2020 17:07:31, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <>
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org>.
After sharing the information with the Maven PMC, we want to do the following:
- accept Maven wrapper.
- don't wait for Walmart to hand over a SGA for the wrapper-plugin. Instead we will start to write our own maven-wrapper-plugin. This is actually a very small plugin, won't require a lot of effort to get it running.
thanks,
Robert
On 4-2-2020 19:28:03, Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
Thanks John, I'll share this with the PMC and we'll let you now what we'll decide.
Robert
On 4-2-2020 17:07:31, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <>
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org>.
Thanks John, I'll share this with the PMC and we'll let you now what we'll decide.
Robert
On 4-2-2020 17:07:31, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <>
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
how about just adding the maven-wrapper itself ... the maven plugin isn't even needed.
I have been using the maven-wrapper in almost every project, however the plugin I have never.
It's just a little tool to add the cmd, sh files as well as some properties.
I think we could even just whip up a small archive containing this information and make that available.
And if we want to I think I'd whip up a maven plugin that automates this in just an hour or so.
So I would suggest to add the maven wrapper and just skip the maven plugin.
Chris
Am 04.02.20, 17:07 schrieb "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>:
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
To be very explicit here:
- The code for the maven wrapper is fine, it's already apache licensed and
has no NOTICE file declared with it, so would be perfectly fine to import.
ICLA's would be nice, but not required, and adding a NOTICE indicating the
origination of parts of it would also be nice but not required.
- The code for the Takari Maven Plugin is EPLv1 and requires an SGA to
change the license to apache license.
I'd recommend the Maven PMC take this back and decide if importing just the
wrapper is enough.
John
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:20 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
> I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >
> > My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> > that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> > bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> > project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> > code?
> >
> > The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> > holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> > Walmart Labs?
> >
> > --David
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > > another license.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <
> justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HI,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not
> compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the
> license on that..
> > > > >
> > > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart
> Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step
> would be an SGA.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Justin.
> > > >
> > > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy
> consensus route.
> > > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > > >
> > > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of
> that
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > --David
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
I do not have answers to those questions, which seems like good ones.
I just wanted to break the loop, which I think I might have ;-)
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:13 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
> My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
> that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
> bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
> project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
> code?
>
> The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
> holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
> Walmart Labs?
>
> --David
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> >
> > I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> > contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> > another license.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HI,
> > > >
> > > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the license on that..
> > > >
> > > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step would be an SGA.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Justin.
> > >
> > > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy consensus route.
> > > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> > >
> > > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of that
> > > process.
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
My sense from reading this thread is that it was a 'work-for-hire' and
that the contributors are not owners. Otherwise, why have they been
bothering to talk to Walmart Labs? Why is a company (as opposed to
project or indivudal(s)) listed as the copyright holder in source
code?
The copyright headers identify Takari Inc as the copyright
holder/owner, which from this thread seems to have been acquired by
Walmart Labs?
--David
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
>
> I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
> contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
> another license.
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI,
> > >
> > > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the license on that..
> > >
> > > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step would be an SGA.
> > >
> >
> > I agree with Justin.
> >
> > The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy consensus route.
> > The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> > under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> > explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
> >
> > While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> > it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of that
> > process.
> >
> > --David
> >
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
I think what Robert is highlighting was that collectively, the
contributors are still owners and have granted permission to use
another license.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:59 PM David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> >
> > I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the license on that..
> >
> > My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step would be an SGA.
> >
>
> I agree with Justin.
>
> The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy consensus route.
> The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
> under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
> explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
>
> While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
> it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of that
> process.
>
> --David
>
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:27 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the license on that..
>
> My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step would be an SGA.
>
I agree with Justin.
The lack of an SGA makes this ineligible for the normal lazy consensus route.
The fact that 1 of the chunks of code you're looking at is licensed
under the EPL is a further blocker. You can't relicense it without
explicit permission from the owner, preferably memorialized as a SGA.
While I don't think that the IP Clearance process is perfectly rigid,
it is a process and this one is missing some significant parts of that
process.
--David
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
I agree with what John wrote, part of the code is EPL which is not compatible with the ALv2, you need the owner permission to change the license on that..
My understanding of "Let me try to get in contact with Walmart Labs to get an SGA for the Takari Maven Wrapper.” was that the next step would be an SGA.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
No, we've got agreements from all significant contributors and I assumed it was clear that this was all we needed. "The takari CLA only grants Takari and hence also Walmart equal access to the code. As such the contributors all own copyright to the code and can assign to Apache."
Even though my contact with Walmart could try to finish it on their side, she also said it has no priority because it isn't related to the Walmart brand, so it is uncertain if or when this can happen.
I've got this feeling we're going in circles.
Hence I asked a week ago explicitly what we are waiting for.
Due to no answers I saw only one result: vote succeeded by lazy consensus.
If I came to the wrong conclusion, please be clear what to do next,
thanks,
Robert
On 3-2-2020 20:37:09, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Vote succeeded by lazy consensus.
Has Walmart Labs siogned an SGA?
Justin
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Re: [RESULT] [IP CLEARANCE] Maven Wrapper
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Vote succeeded by lazy consensus.
Has Walmart Labs siogned an SGA?
Justin
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