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"What is Solr" in Google search results
Hi All,
googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
"Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
Elasticsearch. ... "
The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not define
the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition where
Solr has the second place.
If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the right
answer.
So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
have a better description in the Google results page.
If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
Best regards,
Vincenzo
--
Vincenzo D'Amore
email: v.damore@gmail.com
skype: free.dev
mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by Doug Turnbull <dt...@opensourceconnections.com>.
I question the accuracy of that "Second most popular" on a couple of fronts:
Maybe it's the most popular! -- I speak at Elasticsearch meetups. It's 90%
logs logs logs, with some search thrown in. Solr meetups have a tremendous
amount of information retrieval. Giving a information retrieval talk at
Elasticsearch meetups sometimes gets blank stares (though in many cases
not).
Maybe it's less popular! -- Is DB Engines really a scientific source here?
Maybe MySQL LIKE statements is still the most popular enterprise search
engine :-p
-Doug
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:52 PM Leonardo Perez Pulido <
leoperezpulido@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think there are many things to consider besides the 'normal' search you
> did:
>
> - First of all, Google search results vary. The search algorithm of google
> changes all the time.
> - Many different elements determine 'what' google scores as top docs in
> search results, among them:
> - The device you are searching on.
> - Your search history.
> - If you are logged into the google account.
> - Your geographical location.
> - The type of search you are doing, whether it is a term/keyword or a
> phrase search.
> - And if it is summer, or winter (joking.... I don't know nobody knows with
> google).
>
> For example, the same search phrase from my location returns a very
> different result as top doc:
>
> Apache *Solr* is an open source search platform built upon a Java library
> called Lucene.
>
> Which really is a definition of what Solr is.
>
> So, in conclusion, if you want a better search engine than that: use Solr.
> :)
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
> >
> > "Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
> > Elasticsearch. ... "
> >
> > The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
> > wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
> >
> > Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
> > description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
> >
> > And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
> >
> > Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not
> define
> > the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition
> where
> > Solr has the second place.
> > If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the right
> > answer.
> >
> > So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
> > have a better description in the Google results page.
> >
> > If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Vincenzo
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vincenzo D'Amore
> > email: v.damore@gmail.com
> > skype: free.dev
> > mobile: +39 349 8513251 <+39%20349%20851%203251> <349%20851%203251>
> >
>
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Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by Leonardo Perez Pulido <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I think there are many things to consider besides the 'normal' search you
did:
- First of all, Google search results vary. The search algorithm of google
changes all the time.
- Many different elements determine 'what' google scores as top docs in
search results, among them:
- The device you are searching on.
- Your search history.
- If you are logged into the google account.
- Your geographical location.
- The type of search you are doing, whether it is a term/keyword or a
phrase search.
- And if it is summer, or winter (joking.... I don't know nobody knows with
google).
For example, the same search phrase from my location returns a very
different result as top doc:
Apache *Solr* is an open source search platform built upon a Java library
called Lucene.
Which really is a definition of what Solr is.
So, in conclusion, if you want a better search engine than that: use Solr.
:)
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
>
> "Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
> Elasticsearch. ... "
>
> The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
> wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
>
> Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
> description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
>
> And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
>
> Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not define
> the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition where
> Solr has the second place.
> If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the right
> answer.
>
> So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
> have a better description in the Google results page.
>
> If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
>
> Best regards,
> Vincenzo
>
>
> --
> Vincenzo D'Amore
> email: v.damore@gmail.com
> skype: free.dev
> mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
>
RE: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by "Davis, Daniel (NIH/NLM) [C]" <da...@nih.gov>.
Wikipedia seems to be better now. Thank you, Peaceray.
Honestly, though, by the numbers, I think the comment was correct. Elasticsearch has a much smoother on-ramp for IT developers, but it is much harder to customize relevancy and integrate with BigData pipelines. IT developers are the big voters here.
Now, Google will simply index this thread, and then show different rich snippets to all of us here...
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincenzo D'Amore [mailto:v.damore@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:37 AM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Hi Rick,
right, I've already tried to correct the wikipedia page, to be honest, I've just removed the sentence "Solr is the second-most... etc."
But my change has been discarded because I missed to add a valid motivation.
Anyway, not sure I'm the most representative person to discuss this in the wikipedia talk page :) but I'll try to do whatever I can
And just to share with you my thought, my principal motivation is that even if DB Engines has a proven accuracy, the sentence in question has not be considered so relevant to explain what is Solr. For sure, it should be used as first one.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Rick Leir <rl...@leirtech.com> wrote:
> Vincenzo,
> This is a discussion for the wikipedia 'talk' page. My sense is that
> information must be verifiable, and that the popularity rating at
> db-engines is not transparent. Would you like to start the discussion?
> Cheers -- Rick
>
> On August 30, 2017 5:17:25 PM MDT, Vincenzo D'Amore
> <v....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
> >
> >"Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
> >Elasticsearch. ... "
> >
> >The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
> >wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
> >
> >Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
> >description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
> >
> >And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
> >
> >Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not
> >define the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of
> >competition where Solr has the second place.
> >If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the
> >right answer.
> >
> >So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how
> >to have a better description in the Google results page.
> >
> >If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Vincenzo
> >
> >
> >--
> >Vincenzo D'Amore
> >email: v.damore@gmail.com
> >skype: free.dev
> >mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
>
> --
> Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
--
Vincenzo D'Amore
email: v.damore@gmail.com
skype: free.dev
mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by Stefan Matheis <ma...@gmail.com>.
Well, isn't it always the same with Wikipedia?
It's already there .. so it has to be correct. If you're trying to remove
it, you have to prove it - but there is not even prove it should be there
in the first place oO
You really need to have time to go through that kind of argument ...
-Stefan
On Aug 31, 2017 4:37 PM, "Vincenzo D'Amore" <v....@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick,
right, I've already tried to correct the wikipedia page, to be honest, I've
just removed the sentence "Solr is the second-most... etc."
But my change has been discarded because I missed to add a valid motivation.
Anyway, not sure I'm the most representative person to discuss this in the
wikipedia talk page :) but I'll try to do whatever I can
And just to share with you my thought, my principal motivation is that even
if DB Engines has a proven accuracy, the sentence in question has not be
considered so relevant to explain what is Solr. For sure, it should be used
as first one.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Rick Leir <rl...@leirtech.com> wrote:
> Vincenzo,
> This is a discussion for the wikipedia 'talk' page. My sense is that
> information must be verifiable, and that the popularity rating at
> db-engines is not transparent. Would you like to start the discussion?
> Cheers -- Rick
>
> On August 30, 2017 5:17:25 PM MDT, Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
> >
> >"Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
> >Elasticsearch. ... "
> >
> >The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
> >wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
> >
> >Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
> >description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
> >
> >And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
> >
> >Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not
> >define
> >the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition
> >where
> >Solr has the second place.
> >If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the
> >right
> >answer.
> >
> >So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
> >have a better description in the Google results page.
> >
> >If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Vincenzo
> >
> >
> >--
> >Vincenzo D'Amore
> >email: v.damore@gmail.com
> >skype: free.dev
> >mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
>
> --
> Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
--
Vincenzo D'Amore
email: v.damore@gmail.com
skype: free.dev
mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com>.
Hi Rick,
right, I've already tried to correct the wikipedia page, to be honest, I've
just removed the sentence "Solr is the second-most... etc."
But my change has been discarded because I missed to add a valid motivation.
Anyway, not sure I'm the most representative person to discuss this in the
wikipedia talk page :) but I'll try to do whatever I can
And just to share with you my thought, my principal motivation is that even
if DB Engines has a proven accuracy, the sentence in question has not be
considered so relevant to explain what is Solr. For sure, it should be used
as first one.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Rick Leir <rl...@leirtech.com> wrote:
> Vincenzo,
> This is a discussion for the wikipedia 'talk' page. My sense is that
> information must be verifiable, and that the popularity rating at
> db-engines is not transparent. Would you like to start the discussion?
> Cheers -- Rick
>
> On August 30, 2017 5:17:25 PM MDT, Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
> >
> >"Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
> >Elasticsearch. ... "
> >
> >The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
> >wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
> >
> >Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
> >description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
> >
> >And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
> >
> >Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not
> >define
> >the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition
> >where
> >Solr has the second place.
> >If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the
> >right
> >answer.
> >
> >So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
> >have a better description in the Google results page.
> >
> >If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Vincenzo
> >
> >
> >--
> >Vincenzo D'Amore
> >email: v.damore@gmail.com
> >skype: free.dev
> >mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
>
> --
> Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
--
Vincenzo D'Amore
email: v.damore@gmail.com
skype: free.dev
mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
Re: "What is Solr" in Google search results
Posted by Rick Leir <rl...@leirtech.com>.
Vincenzo,
This is a discussion for the wikipedia 'talk' page. My sense is that information must be verifiable, and that the popularity rating at db-engines is not transparent. Would you like to start the discussion? Cheers -- Rick
On August 30, 2017 5:17:25 PM MDT, Vincenzo D'Amore <v....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>googling for "what is Solr" I found this as *first* sentence:
>
>"Solr is the second-most popular enterprise search engine after
>Elasticsearch. ... "
>
>The description comes from wikipedia https://en.
>wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Solr
>
>Now, well, I'm a little upset, because I think this is a misleading
>description, this answer does not really... well, answer the question.
>
>And even... because Solr is not the first most popular :)))
>
>Ok, seriously, the first sentence (or the answer at all) should not
>define
>the position of the search engine in a list, in a kind of competition
>where
>Solr has the second place.
>If it is the first, the second or whatever most popular is not the
>right
>answer.
>
>So I want inform the community and search for an advice, if any, how to
>have a better description in the Google results page.
>
>If you have any comments or questions, please let me know.
>
>Best regards,
>Vincenzo
>
>
>--
>Vincenzo D'Amore
>email: v.damore@gmail.com
>skype: free.dev
>mobile: +39 349 8513251 <349%20851%203251>
--
Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com