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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org> on 2018/04/09 08:54:47 UTC
FYI, OSGi Features RFP
See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-0188-Features.pdf
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Guillaume Nodet
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks for the update, great news ;)
Regards
JB
On 09/04/2018 10:54, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-0188-Features.pdf
>
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
That's a fair comment.
However, we can still maintain our feature model, not following the specification.
Regards
JB
On 04/09/2018 12:00 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> 2018-04-09 11:42 GMT+02:00 Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>:
>
>> Hi Guillaume,
>>
>> Can you explain why you think it's not a good thing for Karaf ?
>>
>
> Because from an OSGi pov, it's not really possible to involve the Karaf
> community, so if the community is not fully involved, I don't see how it
> could be beneficial to it. The OSGi Alliance is not an open source
> organization, so things are developed internally amongst the OSGi members,
> and you have to be an OSGi member in order to have any saying (we'll you
> can always raise issues but you have no saying, really).
>
> My fear is that we'll end up with a trimmed down version of what Karaf
> actually supports (hopefully not without incompatible things) and that we
> will be pressured to support it, and it may lead us to directions we may
> have not pursued otherwise.
>
> For example, blueprint is under specified and we have to work harder in
> order to add things that are outside the standard. Though, given the OSGi
> Alliance is somewhat abandoning blueprint, I think my next move on this
> area will be to get rid of the standard and just use an aries specific
> schema instead (enhanced, but without having to use a difference schema for
> the extensions).
>
> But I hope I'll be proved wrong.
>
>
>>
>> François
>>
>>
>> Le 09/04/2018 à 13:35, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
>>> I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process,
>> but
>>> this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
>>> The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment
>> on
>>> what he has in mind.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
>>> see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen
>> several
>>> things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
>>>
>>> Guillaume
>>>
>>> 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>>>
>>>> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge...
>>>>
>>>> Serge Huber
>>>> CTO & Co-Founder
>>>> T +41 22 361 3424
>>>> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
>>>> jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
>>>> SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
>>>> <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
>>>> <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained
>> and
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>>>> Digital Transformation.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
>>>> 0188-Features.pdf
>>>>> --
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
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Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>.
I didn't know about the OSGi alliance inside... if it's not an open
source organization and community not involved, I understand your fear.
Thanks for your explanation ;)
Le 09/04/2018 à 14:00, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
> 2018-04-09 11:42 GMT+02:00 Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>:
>
>> Hi Guillaume,
>>
>> Can you explain why you think it's not a good thing for Karaf ?
>>
> Because from an OSGi pov, it's not really possible to involve the Karaf
> community, so if the community is not fully involved, I don't see how it
> could be beneficial to it. The OSGi Alliance is not an open source
> organization, so things are developed internally amongst the OSGi members,
> and you have to be an OSGi member in order to have any saying (we'll you
> can always raise issues but you have no saying, really).
>
> My fear is that we'll end up with a trimmed down version of what Karaf
> actually supports (hopefully not without incompatible things) and that we
> will be pressured to support it, and it may lead us to directions we may
> have not pursued otherwise.
>
> For example, blueprint is under specified and we have to work harder in
> order to add things that are outside the standard. Though, given the OSGi
> Alliance is somewhat abandoning blueprint, I think my next move on this
> area will be to get rid of the standard and just use an aries specific
> schema instead (enhanced, but without having to use a difference schema for
> the extensions).
>
> But I hope I'll be proved wrong.
>
>
>> François
>>
>>
>> Le 09/04/2018 à 13:35, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
>>> I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process,
>> but
>>> this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
>>> The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment
>> on
>>> what he has in mind.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
>>> see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen
>> several
>>> things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
>>>
>>> Guillaume
>>>
>>> 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>>>
>>>> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Serge...
>>>>
>>>> Serge Huber
>>>> CTO & Co-Founder
>>>> T +41 22 361 3424
>>>> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
>>>> jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
>>>> SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
>>>> <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
>>>> <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained
>> and
>>>> to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
>>>> Digital Transformation.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
>>>> 0188-Features.pdf
>>>>> --
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>.
2018-04-09 11:42 GMT+02:00 Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>:
> Hi Guillaume,
>
> Can you explain why you think it's not a good thing for Karaf ?
>
Because from an OSGi pov, it's not really possible to involve the Karaf
community, so if the community is not fully involved, I don't see how it
could be beneficial to it. The OSGi Alliance is not an open source
organization, so things are developed internally amongst the OSGi members,
and you have to be an OSGi member in order to have any saying (we'll you
can always raise issues but you have no saying, really).
My fear is that we'll end up with a trimmed down version of what Karaf
actually supports (hopefully not without incompatible things) and that we
will be pressured to support it, and it may lead us to directions we may
have not pursued otherwise.
For example, blueprint is under specified and we have to work harder in
order to add things that are outside the standard. Though, given the OSGi
Alliance is somewhat abandoning blueprint, I think my next move on this
area will be to get rid of the standard and just use an aries specific
schema instead (enhanced, but without having to use a difference schema for
the extensions).
But I hope I'll be proved wrong.
>
> François
>
>
> Le 09/04/2018 à 13:35, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
> > I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process,
> but
> > this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
> > The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment
> on
> > what he has in mind.
> >
> > Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
> > see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen
> several
> > things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
> > 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
> >
> >> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Serge...
> >>
> >> Serge Huber
> >> CTO & Co-Founder
> >> T +41 22 361 3424
> >> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
> >> jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
> >> SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
> >> <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
> >> <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
> >>
> >>
> >>> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained
> and
> >> to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
> >> Digital Transformation.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
> >> 0188-Features.pdf
> >>> --
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
--
------------------------
Guillaume Nodet
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>.
Hi Guillaume,
Can you explain why you think it's not a good thing for Karaf ?
François
Le 09/04/2018 à 13:35, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
> I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process, but
> this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
> The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment on
> what he has in mind.
>
> Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
> see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen several
> things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
>
> Guillaume
>
> 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>
>> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Serge...
>>
>> Serge Huber
>> CTO & Co-Founder
>> T +41 22 361 3424
>> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
>> jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
>> SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
>> <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
>> <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
>>
>>
>>> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained and
>> to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
>> Digital Transformation.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
>> 0188-Features.pdf
>>> --
>>> ------------------------
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>
>
>
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Grzegorz Grzybek <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hello
And how about Eclipse features? From certain perspective, these are also
higher-level concept than standard bundles, but probably not that
runtime-specific (I mean there's no "feature service" you can obtain and
for example list installed features).
I'm also a bit worried about forcing Karaf to implement post-factum
standard...
regards
Grzegorz Grzybek
2018-04-09 12:31 GMT+02:00 Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>:
> I think the RFP is based on the prototype of the sling feature model.
>
> See:
> https://github.com/apache/sling-whiteboard/tree/master/featuremodel
>
> As far as I know this is indeed inspired by karaf. I am not sure how
> compatible it is at the moment. I will try to participate in the
> standardisation effort and try to achieve some compatibility with karaf.
>
> Christian
>
> 2018-04-09 11:35 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>:
>
> > I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process,
> but
> > this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
> > The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment
> on
> > what he has in mind.
> >
> > Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
> > see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen
> several
> > things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
> > 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
> >
> > > Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Serge...
> > >
> > > Serge Huber
> > > CTO & Co-Founder
> > > T +41 22 361 3424
> > > 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
> > > jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
> > > SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
> > > <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
> > > <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
> > >
> > >
> > > > JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained
> > and
> > > to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
> > > Digital Transformation.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
> > > 0188-Features.pdf
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ------------------------
> > > > Guillaume Nodet
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------
> > Guillaume Nodet
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>
> Computer Scientist
> http://www.adobe.com
>
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
I think the RFP is based on the prototype of the sling feature model.
See:
https://github.com/apache/sling-whiteboard/tree/master/featuremodel
As far as I know this is indeed inspired by karaf. I am not sure how
compatible it is at the moment. I will try to participate in the
standardisation effort and try to achieve some compatibility with karaf.
Christian
2018-04-09 11:35 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>:
> I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process, but
> this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
> The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment on
> what he has in mind.
>
> Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
> see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen several
> things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
>
> Guillaume
>
> 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
>
> > Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
> >
> > cheers,
> > Serge...
> >
> > Serge Huber
> > CTO & Co-Founder
> > T +41 22 361 3424
> > 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
> > jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
> > SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
> > <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
> > <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
> >
> >
> > > JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained
> and
> > to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
> > Digital Transformation.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
> > 0188-Features.pdf
> > >
> > > --
> > > ------------------------
> > > Guillaume Nodet
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
>
--
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Computer Scientist
http://www.adobe.com
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>.
I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process, but
this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least.
The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment on
what he has in mind.
Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'll
see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen several
things go wrong at the OSGi EEG...
Guillaume
2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>:
> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
>
> cheers,
> Serge...
>
> Serge Huber
> CTO & Co-Founder
> T +41 22 361 3424
> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
> jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
> SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
> <https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
> <http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
>
>
> > JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained and
> to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
> Digital Transformation.
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-
> 0188-Features.pdf
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------
> > Guillaume Nodet
> >
>
--
------------------------
Guillaume Nodet
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ?
cheers,
Serge...
Serge Huber
CTO & Co-Founder
T +41 22 361 3424
9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland
jahia.com <http://www.jahia.com/>
SKYPE | LINKEDIN <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sergehuber> | TWITTER
<https://twitter.com/sergehuber> | VCARD
<http://www.jahia.com/vcard/HuberSerge.vcf>
> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY <http://www.jahia.com/> to evaluate, get trained and
to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for
Digital Transformation.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@apache.org> wrote:
> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-0188-Features.pdf
>
> --
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
>
Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP
Posted by Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>.
Thanks Guillaume for sharing !
It's a great news :)
François
Le 09/04/2018 à 12:54, Guillaume Nodet a écrit :
> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp-0188-Features.pdf
>