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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> on 2012/02/03 08:47:02 UTC

Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Hi all,

I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
to use this tool.

If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
let me know. Thank you.

[1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
[2] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
[3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by gavingui <ga...@gmail.com>.

hi Giulio，
thank you for your feedback, I will fix issues and add much new features for TaperstyTool this year, so I will fix this problem very soon. Now I am collecting new features for it, if you are really interested in it,you can tell me what do you want.

发自我的 iPad

在 2012-2-5，上午12:15，Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com> 写道：

> Hi Gavin !
> 
> I'm currently using your plugin: only the CTRL+R feature indeed, but it's
> REALLY useful.
> 
> but...
> I've posted a solution for the issue (13) in that feature and after several
> months...nothing, not even a post like "I will check that".
> 
> I thought that the project has ended, and I'm happy to hear the opposite.
> 
> Cheers,
> Giulio
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/2/3 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
> 
>> Hi Gavin,
>> 
>> Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly
>> get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
>> I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was
>> being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New
>> Software
>> 
>> But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that
>> is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that
>> directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the
>> current number of projects I'm mucking around with.
>> 
>> Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks
>> like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've
>> managed!!
>> 
>> The drag and drop of components is impressive.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
>>> must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
>>> Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
>>> fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
>>> version depend things to simplify install progress.
>>> 
>>> 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Hi, Gavin!
>>>> 
>>>> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
>>>> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
>>>> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this
>> will
>>>> be resolved in future releases.
>>>> 
>>>> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>>>>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>>>>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>>>>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>>>>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>>>>> to use this tool.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>>>>> let me know. Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> 
>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>>>>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Dmitry,

Thank you for your feedback. I will go deep into the T5 Component
References things, if possible, i will merge it into TapestryTools as
a new feature.

Last year, Igor talked with me about moving TapestryTools to GitHub,
due to bad internet service in China, it is hard for me to link to
GitHub, so we gave up. This year, it seems that i can connect to
GitHub already (although it is not fast, but works), i will host this
project source code in GitHub once i start the development job.

2012/2/7 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
> Hi, Gavin!
>
> It would also be great if there will be integration with T5 Component
> References:
> http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/tapestry-core/ref/
> There's a JavaDoc view in Eclipse, may be its possible to show related
> reference page in there when you're in tml editor?
> Also it would be nice to use the Help view, to show some Wiki links, and/or
> TapestryTools own recommendations on the T5/plug-in usage.
>
> Btw, I like the idea of lightweight T5 support with autocomplete and
> navigation. I think they have more impact on productivity than
> the Component palette and drag&drop, although these are nice features also.
> Personally I don't use drag&drop in web development at all, but I like the
> idea of component palette as a catalog of all available components.
>
> For me I would better prefer having separate view with component list
> (grouped by some categories) integrated with component references, and also
> I'd like to see all available T5 services in there with  (probably grouped
> somehow) with the ability to click on them so that the plugin generated a
> piece of code in AppModule with contribute/override logic -- but that just
> my thoughts.
>
> I'd also like to see more Navigation features. I.e., in page class:
>
>    @Inject
>
>    private Application application;
>
> I'd like to CMD+Hover the field and see navigation tip "Open build method"
> (like here
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-galnav/index.html
> ).
>
> I'd also liked if TapestryTools moved to GitHub, I think there you can have
> more feedback/contributions from open source.
>
>
> P.S.
> Thanks for doing all this :)
>
> 2012/2/7 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
>> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
>> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
>> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
>> features, and it can run without WTP
>>
>> Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
>> will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
>> should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
>> unfavorable for this tool's long term development.
>>
>> If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
>> will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
>> things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
>> Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
>> easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
>> features:
>>
>> 1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
>> 2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
>> 3) command to switch between tml and java
>> 4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
>>   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml
>> file
>>   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml
>>
>> And optional features:
>> 1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
>> 2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>>    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
>> libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
>> 3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>>    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
>> in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
>> property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
>> file.
>>
>> And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
>> from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
>> please let me know, thank you.
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
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>
>
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>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Hi, Gavin!

It would also be great if there will be integration with T5 Component
References:
http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/tapestry-core/ref/
There's a JavaDoc view in Eclipse, may be its possible to show related
reference page in there when you're in tml editor?
Also it would be nice to use the Help view, to show some Wiki links, and/or
TapestryTools own recommendations on the T5/plug-in usage.

Btw, I like the idea of lightweight T5 support with autocomplete and
navigation. I think they have more impact on productivity than
the Component palette and drag&drop, although these are nice features also.
Personally I don't use drag&drop in web development at all, but I like the
idea of component palette as a catalog of all available components.

For me I would better prefer having separate view with component list
(grouped by some categories) integrated with component references, and also
I'd like to see all available T5 services in there with  (probably grouped
somehow) with the ability to click on them so that the plugin generated a
piece of code in AppModule with contribute/override logic -- but that just
my thoughts.

I'd also like to see more Navigation features. I.e., in page class:

    @Inject

    private Application application;

I'd like to CMD+Hover the field and see navigation tip "Open build method"
(like here
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-galnav/index.html
).

I'd also liked if TapestryTools moved to GitHub, I think there you can have
more feedback/contributions from open source.


P.S.
Thanks for doing all this :)

2012/2/7 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
> features, and it can run without WTP
>
> Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
> will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
> should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
> unfavorable for this tool's long term development.
>
> If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
> will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
> things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
> Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
> easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
> features:
>
> 1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
> 2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
> 3) command to switch between tml and java
> 4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
>   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml
> file
>   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml
>
> And optional features:
> 1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
> 2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
> libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
> 3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
> in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
> property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
> file.
>
> And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
> from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
> please let me know, thank you.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Borut Bolcina <bo...@gmail.com>.

+1 for the light version

The IDEA IDE is the way to follow. It has all the features you are mentioning for the light version, but it is not free. The autocomplete feature is so much useful that we already bought one licence becouse it speeds up the tapestry web apps development significantly.

Sent from my iPad

On 7. feb. 2012, at 06:27, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
> features, and it can run without WTP
> 
> Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
> will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
> should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
> unfavorable for this tool's long term development.
> 
> If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
> will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
> things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
> Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
> easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
> features:
> 
> 1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
> 2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
> 3) command to switch between tml and java
> 4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
>   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml file
>   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml
> 
> And optional features:
> 1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
> 2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
> libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
> 3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
> in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
> property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
> file.
> 
> And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
> from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
> please let me know, thank you.
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:14:34 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi All,

Hi!

> As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
> Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum.

I don't think this is correct. As far as I can remember, since 3.5 or 3.6  
the smallest Eclipse for Java does ship with an XML editor. I never use  
the Eclipse for JEE and I do have an XML editor here.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:14:34 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi All,

Hi!

> As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
> Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum.

I don't think this is correct. As far as I can remember, since 3.5 or 3.6  
the smallest Eclipse for Java does ship with an XML editor. I never use  
the Eclipse for JEE and I do have an XML editor here.

-- 
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Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,  
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.

2012/2/15 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi Giulio,
>
> I am finding solution to support Tapestry custom components besides
> standard components in XML editor, and i believe we can do it.
>
> But for the css and html things, no, we will not add html/css schemas
> support in XML editor, it is complex and unnecessary. As i mentioned,
> we will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
> minimal feature set that works perfect. If users want to edit html/css
> or jsp elements in *.tml editor, we have a future option feature, we
> plan supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature in WTP jsp
> editor.
>

Got it, thanks.

Cheers,
Giulio

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Giulio,

I am finding solution to support Tapestry custom components besides
standard components in XML editor, and i believe we can do it.

But for the css and html things, no, we will not add html/css schemas
support in XML editor, it is complex and unnecessary. As i mentioned,
we will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
minimal feature set that works perfect. If users want to edit html/css
or jsp elements in *.tml editor, we have a future option feature, we
plan supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature in WTP jsp
editor.

2012/2/15 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> Well, the eclipse classic is faster for sure, but i think we are all used
> to the eclipse JEE slowness :)
>
> I know nothing about eclipse development but...if you use the XML editor as
> base, in a common page I think you will have the schema only for standard
> tapestry components...am I right ?
>
> Example:
> <html xmlns:t="http://tapestry.apache.org/schema/tapestry_5_1_0.xsd">
> ...
> </html>
> so you have the xmlns for tapestry, but what about html/css ?
> or you can insert html and css schemas as auto-included like the jsp editor?
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio



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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.

Well, the eclipse classic is faster for sure, but i think we are all used
to the eclipse JEE slowness :)

I know nothing about eclipse development but...if you use the XML editor as
base, in a common page I think you will have the schema only for standard
tapestry components...am I right ?

Example:
<html xmlns:t="http://tapestry.apache.org/schema/tapestry_5_1_0.xsd">
...
</html>
so you have the xmlns for tapestry, but what about html/css ?
or you can insert html and css schemas as auto-included like the jsp editor?

Cheers,
Giulio

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi,

Thank you for your feedback and advises, obviously, we reached
agreement about the Eclipse distribution for TapestryTools :-)

2012/2/17 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:27:53 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm sorry, I mixed up things. I Googled for eclipse classic and somehow I
> got in a page saying it was 3.3. So I'll change my suggestion: please base
> it on Eclipse for Java developers, the smallest distribution, which has an
> XML editor.
>
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and
> instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br



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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:27:53 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi,

Hi!

I'm sorry, I mixed up things. I Googled for eclipse classic and somehow I  
got in a page saying it was 3.3. So I'll change my suggestion: please base  
it on Eclipse for Java developers, the smallest distribution, which has an  
XML editor.

-- 
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and instructor
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi,

When i talked about Eclipse Classic, i mean "Eclipse Classic 3.7.1" in
Eclips download page[1], it is downloaded 1,241,158 Times( You can
find Eclipse Java's number is 3,621,409 Times and JEE's number is
2,561,673 Times). So it means there are still many guys are starting
with Eclipse Classic.

But i am not very sure why you said Eclipse Classic is Eclipse 3.3, in
Eclipse Classic 3.7.1's bundles.info file, we can find its core
bundles are build in version 3.7:

org.eclipse.core.runtime,3.7.0.v20110110,plugins/org.eclipse.core.runtime_3.7.0.v20110110.jar,4,true
org.eclipse.osgi,3.7.1.R37x_v20110808-1106,plugins/org.eclipse.osgi_3.7.1.R37x_v20110808-1106.jar,-1,true
org.eclipse.jdt,3.7.1.v201109091335,plugins/org.eclipse.jdt_3.7.1.v201109091335.jar,4,false


[1] http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/

2012/2/17 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:06:55 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thiago,
>
>
> Hi! :)
>
>
>> In fact, there is not any additional job to do to use Eclipse's
>> dependency solution. If user is using Eclipse Classic, and he want to
>> install TapestryTools,
>
>
> Just a curiosity: why we're talking about Eclipse Classic, wich is Eclipse
> 3.3, which is quite old? (Newer is 3.7)
>
>
> --
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> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and
> instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:06:55 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi Thiago,

Hi! :)

> In fact, there is not any additional job to do to use Eclipse's
> dependency solution. If user is using Eclipse Classic, and he want to
> install TapestryTools,

Just a curiosity: why we're talking about Eclipse Classic, wich is Eclipse  
3.3, which is quite old? (Newer is 3.7)

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and instructor
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Thiago,

>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:16:49 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for your response, In my experience, i do not think Eclipse
>>>> has any feature to auto resolving dependencies, if we want to install

I said this because i ignore Eclipse's dependency resolution too long,
almost forget it can travel its available update center to get
dependencies jars. Sorry for my uncorrect opinion here :-(

>>>> something in update center, it always ask us to install the dependency
>>>> plugins first manually.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't Help -> Install New Software downloads dependencies
>>> automatically,
>>> at least the ones in the available update sites? I think it does.

After your remind here, i remembered this solution :-)

>>
>>
>> Yes, Eclipse will travel all the *available* update sites to find the
>> dependencies automatically during plugin install process, but due to
>> bad internet service in my country, this step always cost me *much*
>> time, so i think this is not useful and always cancel this step. But
>> may be it works well in other areas
>
>
> You said that Eclipse didn't have dependency resolution, but it does.
> Whether it works with slow connections is a completely different issue. I'd
> suggest you to provide the dependency resolution info in your plugin (which
> I'm eager to see it running without WTP) even if you don't use it
> personally. ;)

In fact, there is not any additional job to do to use Eclipse's
dependency solution. If user is using Eclipse Classic, and he want to
install TapestryTools, he just need add XML editor's update site into
Eclipse's update sites, and select "Contact all update sites during
install to find required software". Eclipse will find and install XML
editor before install TapestryTools.

>
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:37:10 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi Thiago,

Hi, Gavin!

>
> 2012/2/16 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:16:49 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dmitry,
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>>> Thank you for your response, In my experience, i do not think Eclipse
>>> has any feature to auto resolving dependencies, if we want to install
>>> something in update center, it always ask us to install the dependency
>>> plugins first manually.
>>
>>
>> Doesn't Help -> Install New Software downloads dependencies  
>> automatically,
>> at least the ones in the available update sites? I think it does.
>
> Yes, Eclipse will travel all the *available* update sites to find the
> dependencies automatically during plugin install process, but due to
> bad internet service in my country, this step always cost me *much*
> time, so i think this is not useful and always cancel this step. But
> may be it works well in other areas

You said that Eclipse didn't have dependency resolution, but it does.  
Whether it works with slow connections is a completely different issue.  
I'd suggest you to provide the dependency resolution info in your plugin  
(which I'm eager to see it running without WTP) even if you don't use it  
personally. ;)

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Thiago,

2012/2/16 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:16:49 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dmitry,
>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>> Thank you for your response, In my experience, i do not think Eclipse
>> has any feature to auto resolving dependencies, if we want to install
>> something in update center, it always ask us to install the dependency
>> plugins first manually.
>
>
> Doesn't Help -> Install New Software downloads dependencies automatically,
> at least the ones in the available update sites? I think it does.

Yes, Eclipse will travel all the *available* update sites to find the
dependencies automatically during plugin install process, but due to
bad internet service in my country, this step always cost me *much*
time, so i think this is not useful and always cancel this step. But
may be it works well in other areas

>
>
> --
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> instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:16:49 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Hi Dmitry,

Hi!

> Thank you for your response, In my experience, i do not think Eclipse
> has any feature to auto resolving dependencies, if we want to install
> something in update center, it always ask us to install the dependency
> plugins first manually.

Doesn't Help -> Install New Software downloads dependencies automatically,  
at least the ones in the available update sites? I think it does.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Dmitry,

Thank you for your response, In my experience, i do not think Eclipse
has any feature to auto resolving dependencies, if we want to install
something in update center, it always ask us to install the dependency
plugins first manually. I am not very sure about this point, but will
have a survey to get the best solution

2012/2/15 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
> Looks good to me.
> And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for
> TapestryTools.
>
> One note on this though:
>
> Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
>> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.
>
>
> You shouldn't include XML editor to your update site. Just set it as
> prerequisite and your plug-in won't install until user resolve this
> dependency. Also, I believe, Eclipse has a feature of auto resolving
> dependencies, so maybe you should investigate this, just to make your
> update site light-weight.
>
>
> 2012/2/15 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply
>> autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor
>> (In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we
>> want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist
>> editors. After talking with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we thought
>> the most of tapestry users are using xml editor for tml files, and
>> decided to  hook Tapestry components' autocomplete features into XML
>> Editor which is included in Eclipse JavaEE.
>>
>> As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
>> Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. If there is not XML editor in
>> users' eclipse  (or they are not using Eclipse Jave EE), people can
>> not install this feature, but they can still other plugin which do not
>> need XML editor. It means Eclipse classic users can have all the
>> TapestryTools' features besides autocomplete things.
>>
>> Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
>> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.
>>
>> We will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
>> minimal feature set that works perfect, then consider option
>> functions. For example, if user have installed Eclipse Java EE, it
>> means they have installed WTP already. I want to reconstruct current
>> TapestryTools' code, supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature
>> in WTP jsp editor as an option function in the future.
>>
>> Once more, we are still in project proposal prepare and solution
>> survey stage, hoping for more voices from Tapestry users and
>> developers, if you have any advises, please let me know. Thank you.
>>
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>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Yeah, i downloaded Eclipse classic (eclipse-SDK-3.7.1-win32),
eclipse-java-indigo-SR1-win32 and eclipse-jee-indigo-SR1-win32 today,
confirmed that both Eclipse Java and JEE have XML editor installed
already. So we can call Eclipse Java as a minimum.

Thank you for your remind, Thiago.

If user is using Eclipse classic, there are two ways to go:
1. Download and install XML editor manually first
2. Add XML editor update center site into Eclipse's "Available
Software Site", and check "Contact all update sites during install to
find required software" during TapestryTools' install process, Eclipse
will install dependencies automatically.

2012/2/15 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:29:38 -0200, Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Looks good to me.
>> And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for
>> TapestryTools.
>
>
> Eclipse Classic is based on Eclipse 3.3. Too old.
> Notice the xml_ui plugin in Eclipse for Java Developers 3.7:
> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/indigosr1.
> It does ship with an XML editor. Please don't base your editor in Eclipse
> for JEE.
>
> By the way, please don't post the same message in two different mailing
> lists.
>
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:29:38 -0200, Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Looks good to me.
> And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for
> TapestryTools.

Eclipse Classic is based on Eclipse 3.3. Too old.
Notice the xml_ui plugin in Eclipse for Java Developers 3.7:  
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/indigosr1.  
It does ship with an XML editor. Please don't base your editor in Eclipse  
for JEE.

By the way, please don't post the same message in two different mailing  
lists.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Looks good to me.
And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for
TapestryTools.

One note on this though:

Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.


You shouldn't include XML editor to your update site. Just set it as
prerequisite and your plug-in won't install until user resolve this
dependency. Also, I believe, Eclipse has a feature of auto resolving
dependencies, so maybe you should investigate this, just to make your
update site light-weight.


2012/2/15 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply
> autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor
> (In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we
> want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist
> editors. After talking with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we thought
> the most of tapestry users are using xml editor for tml files, and
> decided to  hook Tapestry components' autocomplete features into XML
> Editor which is included in Eclipse JavaEE.
>
> As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
> Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. If there is not XML editor in
> users' eclipse  (or they are not using Eclipse Jave EE), people can
> not install this feature, but they can still other plugin which do not
> need XML editor. It means Eclipse classic users can have all the
> TapestryTools' features besides autocomplete things.
>
> Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.
>
> We will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
> minimal feature set that works perfect, then consider option
> functions. For example, if user have installed Eclipse Java EE, it
> means they have installed WTP already. I want to reconstruct current
> TapestryTools' code, supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature
> in WTP jsp editor as an option function in the future.
>
> Once more, we are still in project proposal prepare and solution
> survey stage, hoping for more voices from Tapestry users and
> developers, if you have any advises, please let me know. Thank you.
>
> --
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> Gavin Lei (雷银)
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Looks good to me.
And I also think that its not worth it to support Eclipse Classic for
TapestryTools.

One note on this though:

Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.


You shouldn't include XML editor to your update site. Just set it as
prerequisite and your plug-in won't install until user resolve this
dependency. Also, I believe, Eclipse has a feature of auto resolving
dependencies, so maybe you should investigate this, just to make your
update site light-weight.


2012/2/15 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply
> autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor
> (In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we
> want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist
> editors. After talking with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we thought
> the most of tapestry users are using xml editor for tml files, and
> decided to  hook Tapestry components' autocomplete features into XML
> Editor which is included in Eclipse JavaEE.
>
> As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
> Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. If there is not XML editor in
> users' eclipse  (or they are not using Eclipse Jave EE), people can
> not install this feature, but they can still other plugin which do not
> need XML editor. It means Eclipse classic users can have all the
> TapestryTools' features besides autocomplete things.
>
> Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
> includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.
>
> We will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
> minimal feature set that works perfect, then consider option
> functions. For example, if user have installed Eclipse Java EE, it
> means they have installed WTP already. I want to reconstruct current
> TapestryTools' code, supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature
> in WTP jsp editor as an option function in the future.
>
> Once more, we are still in project proposal prepare and solution
> survey stage, hoping for more voices from Tapestry users and
> developers, if you have any advises, please let me know. Thank you.
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi All,

In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply
autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor
(In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we
want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist
editors. After talking with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we thought
the most of tapestry users are using xml editor for tml files, and
decided to  hook Tapestry components' autocomplete features into XML
Editor which is included in Eclipse JavaEE.

As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. If there is not XML editor in
users' eclipse  (or they are not using Eclipse Jave EE), people can
not install this feature, but they can still other plugin which do not
need XML editor. It means Eclipse classic users can have all the
TapestryTools' features besides autocomplete things.

Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.

We will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
minimal feature set that works perfect, then consider option
functions. For example, if user have installed Eclipse Java EE, it
means they have installed WTP already. I want to reconstruct current
TapestryTools' code, supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature
in WTP jsp editor as an option function in the future.

Once more, we are still in project proposal prepare and solution
survey stage, hoping for more voices from Tapestry users and
developers, if you have any advises, please let me know. Thank you.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi All,

In our coming light-weight TapestryTools, If we want to supply
autocomplete features, we must implement it in some special tml editor
(In current version TapestryTools,we use WTP's jsp editor). Now, we
want to remove Eclipse WTP dependencies, should find some other exist
editors. After talking with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we thought
the most of tapestry users are using xml editor for tml files, and
decided to  hook Tapestry components' autocomplete features into XML
Editor which is included in Eclipse JavaEE.

As Eclipse classic does not include XML editor, it will require
Eclipse for JEE developers as a minimum. If there is not XML editor in
users' eclipse  (or they are not using Eclipse Jave EE), people can
not install this feature, but they can still other plugin which do not
need XML editor. It means Eclipse classic users can have all the
TapestryTools' features besides autocomplete things.

Or we will supply two update sites, one for Eclipse JavaEE, the other
includes XML editor jars for Eclipse classic.

We will concentrate on simple and useful stuff first to confirm a
minimal feature set that works perfect, then consider option
functions. For example, if user have installed Eclipse Java EE, it
means they have installed WTP already. I want to reconstruct current
TapestryTools' code, supply Tapestry components' auto-complete feature
in WTP jsp editor as an option function in the future.

Once more, we are still in project proposal prepare and solution
survey stage, hoping for more voices from Tapestry users and
developers, if you have any advises, please let me know. Thank you.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Yeah, we can supply a muli-tabs editor for *.tml, in will include at
least *.java tab and *.tml tab. Even more tabs ? I will go deep into
the  solution and discuss, and make a decision in the future. I will
try to supply any useful features for Tapestry development

2012/2/8 trsvax <tr...@gmail.com>:
> I did mean one window with multiple tabs. I'm not sure how the tabs are
> implemented but I've seen a few plugging that use them. M2Eclipse does and
> I've also used IBM products that do. I'm guessing you can run regular
> editors in them because the maven one appears to have an XML editor.
>
> You may be correct about having too many tabs, but it would be nice to
> easily see event handers and properties. There is also the Eclipse Outline
> view which shows imports, properties and methods. One geared toward Tapestry
> Pages/Components might be useful and would allow you too see event handlers
> and properties while editing you tml file.
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by trsvax <tr...@gmail.com>.

I did mean one window with multiple tabs. I'm not sure how the tabs are
implemented but I've seen a few plugging that use them. M2Eclipse does and
I've also used IBM products that do. I'm guessing you can run regular
editors in them because the maven one appears to have an XML editor. 

You may be correct about having too many tabs, but it would be nice to
easily see event handers and properties. There is also the Eclipse Outline
view which shows imports, properties and methods. One geared toward Tapestry
Pages/Components might be useful and would allow you too see event handlers
and properties while editing you tml file.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi,

You mean we should supply a muti-page editor, which open *.tml and
corresponding *.java file in the same window, right ? This is a good
idea, i will consider this solution.

You said "The tabs could include tml, java, properties, event
handlers, services etc", in fact, i am not very clear about the
"properties, event handlers, services", i do not think each Tapestry
page have these modules, if we added all these tabs in a mutli-page
editor, isn't it some kind of place waste ? More important, too many
tabs will also affect editor performance, make it more slowly and
heavier. your opinion?

2012/2/8 trsvax <tr...@gmail.com>:
> I'd vote for a lightweight one also. In fact if I could click on a java or
> tml file and end up with a window something like the Maven Pom editor I'd be
> happy. The tabs could include tml, java, properties, event handlers,
> services etc. Auto complete in the tml file might be nice but I'd say just
> having the tml/java tabs would would be a huge win. If I could also go to a
> service implementation without going thru the interface I'd be pretty happy.
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by trsvax <tr...@gmail.com>.

I'd vote for a lightweight one also. In fact if I could click on a java or
tml file and end up with a window something like the Maven Pom editor I'd be
happy. The tabs could include tml, java, properties, event handlers,
services etc. Auto complete in the tml file might be nice but I'd say just
having the tml/java tabs would would be a huge win. If I could also go to a
service implementation without going thru the interface I'd be pretty happy.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.

I am sure that code can be reused somehow without triggering this dependency. 



On Feb 7, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one.
>> From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see
> (not only in tapestry, also in JSF and before in JSP or swing/awt ecc...),
> but is useful only at the beginning of the project and damaging since then
> until end of time :D
> Also, all my projects are imported through maven and i use high level of
> modularization, so I usually lost all the "tapestry nature" features.
> 
> 
> 
> One question: if you detach that from WTP, don't you loose the autocomplete
> feature for html/css tags inside the TML ?
> 
> Cheers,
> Giulio

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Thiago,

If we want to supply autocomplete feature, it depend users' *.tml
editor. If user use XML editor to edit *.tml file, we should expand
XML editor to supply this autocomplete feature. If user use WTP html
editor to edit *.tml file, we should expand WTP html editor.

XML editor is Eclipse's built in module and we can use it to edit
*.tml file, yes, i plan to expand XML editor to supply Tapestry 5
features. And we will still supply a WTP html editor based T5
autocomplete module, but this will be a optional module in
TapestryTools' Installation process, if user have installed WTP, they
can check this module and install it.

2012/2/8 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>:
> Hi, Gavin!
>
>
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:43:51 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, html/css autocomplete feature is supplies by WTP, not
>> TapestryTools. If TapestryTools work without WTP, it will lost this
>> feature. But we can still supply Tapestry 5 built-in and custom
>> components autocomplete feature, works like this.
>
>
> I know nothing about Eclipse plugin development, so I ask: is it possible to
> base the TapestryTools .tml editor in the XML one provided by Eclipse? I use
> the Eclipse XML editor for editing Tapestry templates. After all, Tapestry
> templates *are* XML documents. It provides some autocompletion, specially if
> you set the namespaces.
>
>
> --
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> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and
> instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

Hi, Gavin!

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:43:51 -0200, Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>  
wrote:
> Yeah, html/css autocomplete feature is supplies by WTP, not
> TapestryTools. If TapestryTools work without WTP, it will lost this
> feature. But we can still supply Tapestry 5 built-in and custom
> components autocomplete feature, works like this.

I know nothing about Eclipse plugin development, so I ask: is it possible  
to base the TapestryTools .tml editor in the XML one provided by Eclipse?  
I use the Eclipse XML editor for editing Tapestry templates. After all,  
Tapestry templates *are* XML documents. It provides some autocompletion,  
specially if you set the namespaces.

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and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi Giulio,

Thank you for your advises, see the commends below

2012/2/8 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one.
> From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see
> (not only in tapestry, also in JSF and before in JSP or swing/awt ecc...),
> but is useful only at the beginning of the project and damaging since then
> until end of time :D

It seems that palette drag-and-drop things is not so practical, not a
big pity to miss this feature, good to hear that :D

> Also, all my projects are imported through maven and i use high level of
> modularization, so I usually lost all the "tapestry nature" features.
>
>
>
> One question: if you detach that from WTP, don't you loose the autocomplete
> feature for html/css tags inside the TML ?

Yeah, html/css autocomplete feature is supplies by WTP, not
TapestryTools. If TapestryTools work without WTP, it will lost this
feature. But we can still supply Tapestry 5 built-in and custom
components autocomplete feature, works like this.

If we add actionlink component, such as:

<t:actionlink t:id="logout">Log out</t:actionlink>
,So when you type

<t:
it comes up with a list you can choose from and then completes it with
the required parameters listed.

We can finish this feature development work without WTP :-)

>
> Cheers,
> Giulio



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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.

Like many people here, my advice is the lightweight one.
>From my user experience, the "graphical editor" can be really cool to see
(not only in tapestry, also in JSF and before in JSP or swing/awt ecc...),
but is useful only at the beginning of the project and damaging since then
until end of time :D
Also, all my projects are imported through maven and i use high level of
modularization, so I usually lost all the "tapestry nature" features.



One question: if you detach that from WTP, don't you loose the autocomplete
feature for html/css tags inside the TML ?

Cheers,
Giulio

Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:07:22 -0200, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>  
wrote:

> WTP is a bloated POS anyway.  Completely agree that TapestryTools should  
> not be dependent on it.
> I also can't use it because I keep my plugins up-to-date and not dare  
> re-installing it as well.

Agreed 100% with this and the lightweight approach. I avoid WTP as much as  
I can. And most people will always update their Eclipse and plugins  
version.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.

WTP is a bloated POS anyway.  Completely agree that TapestryTools should not be dependent on it.
I also can't use it because I keep my plugins up-to-date and not dare re-installing it as well.  

On Feb 7, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:

> 2012/2/6 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>:
>> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
>> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
>> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
>> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
>> features, and it can run without WTP
> 
> +1 for simple and light. It wins every time. So far, haven't been able
> to use your tool because I always keep my Eclipse up-to-date and I
> wouldn't dare reinstalling all of it.
> 
> Kalle
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.

2012/2/6 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>:
> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
> features, and it can run without WTP

+1 for simple and light. It wins every time. So far, haven't been able
to use your tool because I always keep my Eclipse up-to-date and I
wouldn't dare reinstalling all of it.

Kalle

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Hi, Gavin!

It would also be great if there will be integration with T5 Component
References:
http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/tapestry-core/ref/
There's a JavaDoc view in Eclipse, may be its possible to show related
reference page in there when you're in tml editor?
Also it would be nice to use the Help view, to show some Wiki links, and/or
TapestryTools own recommendations on the T5/plug-in usage.

Btw, I like the idea of lightweight T5 support with autocomplete and
navigation. I think they have more impact on productivity than
the Component palette and drag&drop, although these are nice features also.
Personally I don't use drag&drop in web development at all, but I like the
idea of component palette as a catalog of all available components.

For me I would better prefer having separate view with component list
(grouped by some categories) integrated with component references, and also
I'd like to see all available T5 services in there with  (probably grouped
somehow) with the ability to click on them so that the plugin generated a
piece of code in AppModule with contribute/override logic -- but that just
my thoughts.

I'd also like to see more Navigation features. I.e., in page class:

    @Inject

    private Application application;

I'd like to CMD+Hover the field and see navigation tip "Open build method"
(like here
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-galnav/index.html
).

I'd also liked if TapestryTools moved to GitHub, I think there you can have
more feedback/contributions from open source.


P.S.
Thanks for doing all this :)

2012/2/7 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi All,
>
> After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
> are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
> 1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
> 2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
> features, and it can run without WTP
>
> Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
> will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
> should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
> unfavorable for this tool's long term development.
>
> If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
> will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
> things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
> Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
> easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
> features:
>
> 1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
> 2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
> 3) command to switch between tml and java
> 4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
>   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml
> file
>   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml
>
> And optional features:
> 1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
> 2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
> libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
> 3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
>    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
> in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
> property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
> file.
>
> And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
> from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
> please let me know, thank you.
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi All,

After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
features, and it can run without WTP

Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
unfavorable for this tool's long term development.

If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
features:

1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
3) command to switch between tml and java
4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml file
   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml

And optional features:
1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
file.

And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
please let me know, thank you.

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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Hi All,

After discussion with my GSoC mentor Igor Drobiazko, we think there
are two ways for TapestryTools to go:
1. build TapestryTools on WTP, and keep improving it
2. build a brand new simple tool which supplies some special Tapestry5
features, and it can run without WTP

Solution 1 will make TapestryTools more powerful, but meanwhile, it
will make it more complex and hard to improve, hard to install and we
should keep synchronous with Eclipse WTP's release version. Not
unfavorable for this tool's long term development.

If we build TapestryTools without Eclipse WTP in solution 2, maybe we
will lost some brilliant features, such as palette drag and drop
things, but it will make TapestryTools lightweight (just a normal
Eclipse plug-in, does not need many special dependencies),more focus,
easy to install, easy to use. And also, we can supply practical
features:

1) very easy installation in different Eclipse version
2) Tapestry page/component creation wizard
3) command to switch between tml and java
4) Autocompletion features, includes two aspects:
   * Autocomplete of properties from the .java page when editing the .tml file
   * Tapestry built in and custom components autocompletion function in tml

And optional features:
1) import Tapestry jar of special version to project
2) validation function in Tapestry .tml file source view
    Supplies semantic validation of the Tapestry standard tag
libraries for both EL and non-EL attribute values in *.tml file
3) hyperlink function in Tapestry .tml file source view
    Hyperlink to the Java editor from property and method referenced
in the Expression Language(EL) of a tag-attribute, click (CTRL +
property or method ), it will jump to the corresponding Java Class
file.

And now, we are still in ideas collection period, any feature demands
from open source community is welcome. Or if you have any advises,
please let me know, thank you.

---------------------------------
Best Regards
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Thank you for your help, Mark, i will keep improving it

在 2012年2月6日 上午11:56，Mark <ma...@xeric.net> 写道：
> I agree that the ability to switch between .tml and .java would be
> extremely useful. Right now issue 13 is keeping me from using it.
>
> There used to be a plugin that only helped with this switch called
> loom-t5, but the update site for that appears to be offline.
>
> As far as a wish list, have you ever seen the old gui tools for
> working with Apple WebObjects? It would show you the
> objects/variables/methods from the .java page and let you navigate
> through them and then click and drag a particular attribute and drop
> it on a component and decide what you wanted to connect it to. It
> brought some simple drag and drop capabilities to the editor that I've
> always thought would be a great thing for Tapestry.
>
> You can see some screenshots here:
> https://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/WebObjects/Conceptual/WO53_WOBuilderGuide/WO53_WOBuilderGuide.pdf
>
> Page 53 & 55 explains how the editor let you navigate the objects that
> were in scope for a page.  Page 60 show a drag and drop connection
> taking place in the editor.
>
> Anyway, I think something like that would be interesting and useful,
> but the switching between .tml and .java, really good code completion
> for components, and easy installation are obviously the things that
> are going to be the most useful.
>
> Just some thoughts. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the plugin!
>
> Mark
>
> 2012/2/4 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Gavin !
>>
>> I'm currently using your plugin: only the CTRL+R feature indeed, but it's
>> REALLY useful.
>>
>> but...
>> I've posted a solution for the issue (13) in that feature and after several
>> months...nothing, not even a post like "I will check that".
>>
>> I thought that the project has ended, and I'm happy to hear the opposite.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Giulio
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/3 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
>>
>>> Hi Gavin,
>>>
>>> Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly
>>> get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
>>> I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was
>>> being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New
>>> Software
>>>
>>> But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that
>>> is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that
>>> directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the
>>> current number of projects I'm mucking around with.
>>>
>>> Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks
>>> like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've
>>> managed!!
>>>
>>> The drag and drop of components is impressive.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
>>> > must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
>>> > Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
>>> > fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
>>> > version depend things to simplify install progress.
>>> >
>>> > 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
>>> >> Hi, Gavin!
>>> >>
>>> >> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
>>> >> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
>>> >> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this
>>> will
>>> >> be resolved in future releases.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>>> >>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>>> >>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>>> >>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>>> >>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>>> >>> to use this tool.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>>> >>> let me know. Thank you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>> >>> [2]
>>> >>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>>> >>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> >>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
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>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Dmitry Gusev
>>> >>
>>> >> AnjLab Team
>>> >> http://anjlab.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Mark <ma...@xeric.net>.

I agree that the ability to switch between .tml and .java would be
extremely useful. Right now issue 13 is keeping me from using it.

There used to be a plugin that only helped with this switch called
loom-t5, but the update site for that appears to be offline.

As far as a wish list, have you ever seen the old gui tools for
working with Apple WebObjects? It would show you the
objects/variables/methods from the .java page and let you navigate
through them and then click and drag a particular attribute and drop
it on a component and decide what you wanted to connect it to. It
brought some simple drag and drop capabilities to the editor that I've
always thought would be a great thing for Tapestry.

You can see some screenshots here:
https://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/WebObjects/Conceptual/WO53_WOBuilderGuide/WO53_WOBuilderGuide.pdf

Page 53 & 55 explains how the editor let you navigate the objects that
were in scope for a page.  Page 60 show a drag and drop connection
taking place in the editor.

Anyway, I think something like that would be interesting and useful,
but the switching between .tml and .java, really good code completion
for components, and easy installation are obviously the things that
are going to be the most useful.

Just some thoughts. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the plugin!

Mark

2012/2/4 Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Gavin !
>
> I'm currently using your plugin: only the CTRL+R feature indeed, but it's
> REALLY useful.
>
> but...
> I've posted a solution for the issue (13) in that feature and after several
> months...nothing, not even a post like "I will check that".
>
> I thought that the project has ended, and I'm happy to hear the opposite.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio
>
>
>
> 2012/2/3 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>
>
>> Hi Gavin,
>>
>> Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly
>> get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
>> I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was
>> being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New
>> Software
>>
>> But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that
>> is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that
>> directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the
>> current number of projects I'm mucking around with.
>>
>> Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks
>> like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've
>> managed!!
>>
>> The drag and drop of components is impressive.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
>> > must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
>> > Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
>> > fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
>> > version depend things to simplify install progress.
>> >
>> > 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
>> >> Hi, Gavin!
>> >>
>> >> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
>> >> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
>> >> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this
>> will
>> >> be resolved in future releases.
>> >>
>> >> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>> >>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>> >>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>> >>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>> >>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>> >>> to use this tool.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>> >>> let me know. Thank you.
>> >>>
>> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>> >>> [2]
>> >>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>> >>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ---------------------------------
>> >>> Best Regards
>> >>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> >>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >
>> >
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Giulio Micali <gi...@gmail.com>.

Hi Gavin !

I'm currently using your plugin: only the CTRL+R feature indeed, but it's
REALLY useful.

but...
I've posted a solution for the issue (13) in that feature and after several
months...nothing, not even a post like "I will check that".

I thought that the project has ended, and I'm happy to hear the opposite.

Cheers,
Giulio



2012/2/3 Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>

> Hi Gavin,
>
> Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly
> get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
> I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was
> being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New
> Software
>
> But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that
> is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that
> directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the
> current number of projects I'm mucking around with.
>
> Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks
> like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've
> managed!!
>
> The drag and drop of components is impressive.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:
>
> > Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
> > must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
> > Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
> > fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
> > version depend things to simplify install progress.
> >
> > 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
> >> Hi, Gavin!
> >>
> >> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
> >> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
> >> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this
> will
> >> be resolved in future releases.
> >>
> >> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
> >>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
> >>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
> >>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
> >>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
> >>> to use this tool.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
> >>> let me know. Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
> >>> [2]
> >>>
> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
> >>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> >>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dmitry Gusev
> >>
> >> AnjLab Team
> >> http://anjlab.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Gavin Lei (雷银)
> > Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
> >
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>.

Hi Gavin,

Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New Software

But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the current number of projects I'm mucking around with.

Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've managed!!

The drag and drop of components is impressive.

Cheers
Chris



On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:

> Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
> must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
> Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
> fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
> version depend things to simplify install progress.
> 
> 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi, Gavin!
>> 
>> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
>> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
>> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
>> be resolved in future releases.
>> 
>> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>>> to use this tool.
>>> 
>>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>>> let me know. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>> [2]
>>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dmitry Gusev
>> 
>> AnjLab Team
>> http://anjlab.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Chris Mylonas <ch...@opencsta.org>.

Hi Gavin,

Great project thus far!!  A tool like that within eclipse will certainly get more people looking at tapestry as a framework to use.
I initially thought Dmitry's comment was a little harsh and that he was being a bit fussy requesting the installation through Help->Install New Software

But I have to say, there's one thing I find really unproductive - and that is fixing my dev environment when it breaks.  I'm back on Helios and that directory listing is a little too intimidating for me to try with the current number of projects I'm mucking around with.

Sorry I couldn't test it first-hand for you - but from the vid, it looks like something people could use to learn tapestry faster than what I've managed!!

The drag and drop of components is impressive.

Cheers
Chris



On 03/02/2012, at 7:12 PM, Gavin Lei wrote:

> Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
> must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
> Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
> fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
> version depend things to simplify install progress.
> 
> 2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi, Gavin!
>> 
>> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
>> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
>> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
>> be resolved in future releases.
>> 
>> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>>> to use this tool.
>>> 
>>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>>> let me know. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>>> [2]
>>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dmitry Gusev
>> 
>> AnjLab Team
>> http://anjlab.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------
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> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
version depend things to simplify install progress.

2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
> Hi, Gavin!
>
> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
> be resolved in future releases.
>
> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>> to use this tool.
>>
>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>> let me know. Thank you.
>>
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>> [2]
>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------
>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dmitry Gusev
>
> AnjLab Team
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>.

Yeah, this is really a problem, if we want to do so, TapestryTools
must keep pace with Eclipse WTP's version. I will try to contact with
Eclipse WTP community and try to merge TapestryTools into WTP, if
fail, i will find a way to optimize its structure and reduce its
version depend things to simplify install progress.

2012/2/3 Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>:
> Hi, Gavin!
>
> Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
> TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
> installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
> be resolved in future releases.
>
> 2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
>> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
>> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
>> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
>> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
>> to use this tool.
>>
>> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
>> let me know. Thank you.
>>
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
>> [2]
>> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
>> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>>
>> --
>> ---------------------------------
>> Best Regards
>> Gavin Lei (雷银)
>> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dmitry Gusev
>
> AnjLab Team
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Hi, Gavin!

Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
be resolved in future releases.

2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi all,
>
> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
> to use this tool.
>
> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
> let me know. Thank you.
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
> [2]
> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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Re: Need feedback for Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor

Posted by Dmitry Gusev <dm...@gmail.com>.

Hi, Gavin!

Thats a big step forward. But, still, I think that a huge limitation of
TapestryTools is that it can't be plugged-into existing Eclipse Java EE
installation through the Help -> Install New Software.... I wish this will
be resolved in future releases.

2012/2/3 Gavin Lei <ga...@gmail.com>

> Hi all,
>
> I built Eclipse WTP based Tapestry 5 visual editor - TapestryTools [1]
> as GSoC 2011 project. Now, we plan to improve this tool and keep it as
> a GSoC 2012 project, before we start real develop job, we need
> feedback from you guys. Welcome to hava a trial of it, this is the
> guide [2] about how to install it, and we also have a video about how
> to use this tool.
>
> If you have any advises about it or you need some new features, please
> let me know. Thank you.
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/
> [2]
> http://code.google.com/p/tapestrytools/wiki/TapestryTools_Install_Guide
> [3] http://tapestrytools.googlecode.com/files/tapestrytools.mov
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Best Regards
> Gavin Lei (雷银)
> Email: gavingui2011@gmail.com
>
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