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Informations
Hello,
I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about your company.
What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules, needed computer
specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it I can send you one)
Thank you very much for your time,
Wish you the best.
Paul Jonville
Re: Informations
Posted by Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>.
Thanks Mike,
Your message is very informative.
Can you summarise the difference in requirements for accounting in Europe vs
elsewhere?
VAT is obviously a big difference, but what else is there?
Thanks
Paul Foxworthy
Mike Z wrote
>
> I had done a lot of work with OpenERP (about 6-8 months worth) until I
> finally ditched it for OFBiz. From my standpoint:
>
> 1) OpenERP has *NO* decent ecommerce module... Period. If you have a need
> for ecommerce, and you have 10s of thousands of products, then forget
> about
> OpenERP. You are forced to use a shopping cart like Magento and do
> "syncing", using XMLRPC, which takes forever (about 1 product/sec), and
> always seems to run out of memory or stops 1/2 way through the syncing
> process.
>
> Suppose you have big plans and you want a shopping cart with 100,000
> products. Now imagine that it would take (at best!) a day and a half to
> sync products. It is completely unusable!
>
> There is also "Magento Pro", which claims to sync to SAP-based businesses.
> Ever heard back in the old days that no one has ever got fired for buying
> IBM? Believe me, if some IT guy recommended to buy Magento Pro and expect
> great performance linking to SAP, he would get fired. Look at all the big
> sites, Amazon, Overstock,etc, NONE of them do use "syncing".
>
> 2) OFBiz comes as a complete ERP, OpenERP allows "modules" that can extend
> the ERP system with features later... Supposedly. This always seems to
> error out after you have some real data in the database, and you later add
> a new module. It is important to thoroughly study your OpenERP
> requirements FIRST, add ALL modules you ever expect to use (in
> the beginning), then start using the ERP.
>
> 3) OpenERP is Europe-centric when it comes to Accounting. I had trouble
> getting it to work and comply with US requirements. I haven't looked
> lately, but at the time there was no good US-based services like "
> authorized.net" for OpenERP. It may be different today.
>
> 4) Documentation. OpenERP has OFBiz beaten in the category. Great docs
> for OpenERP.
>
> 5) OFBiz (java) vs OpenERP (python). I think java scales better than
> python.
>
> The big reason I finally ditched OpenERP was the single database feature
> between OFBiz and it's ecommerce module. Syncing became a total nightmare
> between dissimilar databases. It was hard enough to learn and
> become familiar with OpenERPs schema, now I also had to learn yet another,
> complex schema for Magento, which is EAV based.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%E2%80%93attribute%E2%80%93value_model
>
> It was just too complex. At least with OFBiz, I know all the tables
> relate
> to each other.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Jonville Paul <
> paul.jonville@> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
>>
>> I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which
>> consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
>>
>> I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about
>> your
>> company.
>>
>> What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules,
>> needed computer
>>
>> specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small
>> businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the
>> specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it
>> I
>> can send you one)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your time,
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish you the best.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Jonville
>>
>
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Re: Informations
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Sorry for typos :D
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Really interesting experience!
>
> Thanks for the objective and detailed information Mike :o)
>
> One more thing to add: OFBiz is Apache 2.0 license and driven by a community when OpenERP has a special (unclear to me
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenERP#License_and_Impacts_on_Business_Model) license and is actually a kind of proprietary
> software.
> The OFBiz community has proved it is here to stay. On the other hand, you never know about proprietary softwares. Look at what
> happened to Magento for instance: sold by to Ebay by Varien
>
> We know we need to improve/update our documentation. Fortunately in OFBiz world; beside our excellent maintained and tuto (thanks
> Pranay!) we have some books which can help to learn https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com>
>>I had done a lot of work with OpenERP (about 6-8 months worth) until I
>> finally ditched it for OFBiz. From my standpoint:
>>
>> 1) OpenERP has *NO* decent ecommerce module... Period. If you have a need
>> for ecommerce, and you have 10s of thousands of products, then forget about
>> OpenERP. You are forced to use a shopping cart like Magento and do
>> "syncing", using XMLRPC, which takes forever (about 1 product/sec), and
>> always seems to run out of memory or stops 1/2 way through the syncing
>> process.
>>
>> Suppose you have big plans and you want a shopping cart with 100,000
>> products. Now imagine that it would take (at best!) a day and a half to
>> sync products. It is completely unusable!
>>
>> There is also "Magento Pro", which claims to sync to SAP-based businesses.
>> Ever heard back in the old days that no one has ever got fired for buying
>> IBM? Believe me, if some IT guy recommended to buy Magento Pro and expect
>> great performance linking to SAP, he would get fired. Look at all the big
>> sites, Amazon, Overstock,etc, NONE of them do use "syncing".
>>
>> 2) OFBiz comes as a complete ERP, OpenERP allows "modules" that can extend
>> the ERP system with features later... Supposedly. This always seems to
>> error out after you have some real data in the database, and you later add
>> a new module. It is important to thoroughly study your OpenERP
>> requirements FIRST, add ALL modules you ever expect to use (in
>> the beginning), then start using the ERP.
>>
>> 3) OpenERP is Europe-centric when it comes to Accounting. I had trouble
>> getting it to work and comply with US requirements. I haven't looked
>> lately, but at the time there was no good US-based services like "
>> authorized.net" for OpenERP. It may be different today.
>>
>> 4) Documentation. OpenERP has OFBiz beaten in the category. Great docs
>> for OpenERP.
>>
>> 5) OFBiz (java) vs OpenERP (python). I think java scales better than
>> python.
>>
>> The big reason I finally ditched OpenERP was the single database feature
>> between OFBiz and it's ecommerce module. Syncing became a total nightmare
>> between dissimilar databases. It was hard enough to learn and
>> become familiar with OpenERPs schema, now I also had to learn yet another,
>> complex schema for Magento, which is EAV based.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%E2%80%93attribute%E2%80%93value_model
>>
>> It was just too complex. At least with OFBiz, I know all the tables relate
>> to each other.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Jonville Paul <
>> paul.jonville@uclouvain-mons.be> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
>>>
>>> I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which
>>> consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
>>>
>>> I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about your
>>> company.
>>>
>>> What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules,
>>> needed computer
>>>
>>> specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small
>>> businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the
>>> specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it I
>>> can send you one)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your time,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish you the best.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Jonville
>>>
>>
Re: Informations
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Really interesting experience!
Thanks for the objective and detailed information Mike :o)
One more thing to add: OFBiz is Apache 2.0 license and driven by a community when OpenERP has a special (unclear to me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenERP#License_and_Impacts_on_Business_Model) license and is actually a kind of proprietary software.
The OFBiz community has proved it is here to stay. On the other hand, you never know about proprietary softwares. Look at what
happened to Magento for instance: sold by to Ebay by Varien
We know we need to improve/update our documentation. Fortunately in OFBiz world; beside our excellent maintained and tuto (thanks
Pranay!) we have some books which can help to learn https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books
Jacques
From: "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com>
>I had done a lot of work with OpenERP (about 6-8 months worth) until I
> finally ditched it for OFBiz. From my standpoint:
>
> 1) OpenERP has *NO* decent ecommerce module... Period. If you have a need
> for ecommerce, and you have 10s of thousands of products, then forget about
> OpenERP. You are forced to use a shopping cart like Magento and do
> "syncing", using XMLRPC, which takes forever (about 1 product/sec), and
> always seems to run out of memory or stops 1/2 way through the syncing
> process.
>
> Suppose you have big plans and you want a shopping cart with 100,000
> products. Now imagine that it would take (at best!) a day and a half to
> sync products. It is completely unusable!
>
> There is also "Magento Pro", which claims to sync to SAP-based businesses.
> Ever heard back in the old days that no one has ever got fired for buying
> IBM? Believe me, if some IT guy recommended to buy Magento Pro and expect
> great performance linking to SAP, he would get fired. Look at all the big
> sites, Amazon, Overstock,etc, NONE of them do use "syncing".
>
> 2) OFBiz comes as a complete ERP, OpenERP allows "modules" that can extend
> the ERP system with features later... Supposedly. This always seems to
> error out after you have some real data in the database, and you later add
> a new module. It is important to thoroughly study your OpenERP
> requirements FIRST, add ALL modules you ever expect to use (in
> the beginning), then start using the ERP.
>
> 3) OpenERP is Europe-centric when it comes to Accounting. I had trouble
> getting it to work and comply with US requirements. I haven't looked
> lately, but at the time there was no good US-based services like "
> authorized.net" for OpenERP. It may be different today.
>
> 4) Documentation. OpenERP has OFBiz beaten in the category. Great docs
> for OpenERP.
>
> 5) OFBiz (java) vs OpenERP (python). I think java scales better than
> python.
>
> The big reason I finally ditched OpenERP was the single database feature
> between OFBiz and it's ecommerce module. Syncing became a total nightmare
> between dissimilar databases. It was hard enough to learn and
> become familiar with OpenERPs schema, now I also had to learn yet another,
> complex schema for Magento, which is EAV based.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%E2%80%93attribute%E2%80%93value_model
>
> It was just too complex. At least with OFBiz, I know all the tables relate
> to each other.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Jonville Paul <
> paul.jonville@uclouvain-mons.be> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
>>
>> I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which
>> consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
>>
>> I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about your
>> company.
>>
>> What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules,
>> needed computer
>>
>> specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small
>> businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the
>> specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it I
>> can send you one)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your time,
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish you the best.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Jonville
>>
>
Re: Informations
Posted by Mike <mz...@gmail.com>.
I had done a lot of work with OpenERP (about 6-8 months worth) until I
finally ditched it for OFBiz. From my standpoint:
1) OpenERP has *NO* decent ecommerce module... Period. If you have a need
for ecommerce, and you have 10s of thousands of products, then forget about
OpenERP. You are forced to use a shopping cart like Magento and do
"syncing", using XMLRPC, which takes forever (about 1 product/sec), and
always seems to run out of memory or stops 1/2 way through the syncing
process.
Suppose you have big plans and you want a shopping cart with 100,000
products. Now imagine that it would take (at best!) a day and a half to
sync products. It is completely unusable!
There is also "Magento Pro", which claims to sync to SAP-based businesses.
Ever heard back in the old days that no one has ever got fired for buying
IBM? Believe me, if some IT guy recommended to buy Magento Pro and expect
great performance linking to SAP, he would get fired. Look at all the big
sites, Amazon, Overstock,etc, NONE of them do use "syncing".
2) OFBiz comes as a complete ERP, OpenERP allows "modules" that can extend
the ERP system with features later... Supposedly. This always seems to
error out after you have some real data in the database, and you later add
a new module. It is important to thoroughly study your OpenERP
requirements FIRST, add ALL modules you ever expect to use (in
the beginning), then start using the ERP.
3) OpenERP is Europe-centric when it comes to Accounting. I had trouble
getting it to work and comply with US requirements. I haven't looked
lately, but at the time there was no good US-based services like "
authorized.net" for OpenERP. It may be different today.
4) Documentation. OpenERP has OFBiz beaten in the category. Great docs
for OpenERP.
5) OFBiz (java) vs OpenERP (python). I think java scales better than
python.
The big reason I finally ditched OpenERP was the single database feature
between OFBiz and it's ecommerce module. Syncing became a total nightmare
between dissimilar databases. It was hard enough to learn and
become familiar with OpenERPs schema, now I also had to learn yet another,
complex schema for Magento, which is EAV based.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity%E2%80%93attribute%E2%80%93value_model
It was just too complex. At least with OFBiz, I know all the tables relate
to each other.
Mike
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Jonville Paul <
paul.jonville@uclouvain-mons.be> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
>
> I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which
> consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
>
> I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about your
> company.
>
> What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules,
> needed computer
>
> specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small
> businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the
> specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
>
>
>
> The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it I
> can send you one)
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your time,
>
>
>
> Wish you the best.
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul Jonville
>
Re: Informations
Posted by Info Olagos <in...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I am Eric Lens, shareholder of the Olagos bvba in which my wife is CEO.
I am doing the technical site of the ofbiz e-commerce and erp package.
I am very interested to help you further with your work.
I can write if you like in French, English or Flemish which is my mother
tongue.
About the product Ofbiz.
I am very happy to have choosen Ofbiz in 2008 . I have a full time job
during the day and i am manipulating ofbiz only some evenings of the week.
Ofbiz is very usefull if you have some IT background. I say some IT
background but i mean you need 15 years experience in IT to be able to
manipulate all edges of the sofware. It is using so many different
techniques which you need to administer all in order to have a full package
working.
In my fulltime job i am a IT Project Manager in Java and Oracle techniques.
So i see a lot of code passing my eyes.
The disadvantage for me was that i had no experience at all what
functionalities an ERP package has. So i had to learn a lot of business
analysis before i could use it.
The disadvantage is that ofbiz has a long learning curve.
Even after five years now i learn necessary things about Ofbiz.
There is documentation and commercial books but it can still better.
The advantage with the described knowledge is then that the package can be
configured and adapted very easily and very fast by means of XML.
All these adaptations you can them for free at that moment.
The Ofbiz package is also very complete. You can use webservices for
communication with other software at remote sites for example.
We use the modules Project Management, Party Manager, Human Resources,
Catalog Manager, parts of the accountancy for creating invoices f.e.,
E-Commerce module with a very powerfull search machine, marketing package,
etc.
The advantage also is the multiple language capability built in.
The disadvantage is that it needs many central memory and processor power.
Advantage is the use of different types of Databases at which the Ofbiz is
adapting itself completely automatically.
Advantage is that it uses plain old java code. So no java Spring or java
Hibernate is used which is for me an advantage.
Advantage is the very detailed logging of errors and warnings and info's it
creates.
Disadvantages is that the accountancy module is based on American standards.
Advantage is that Ofbiz can be executed on Windows as well as Linux.
Disadvantage are the high costs because of needed memory and processor
power when putting it in a datacenter on a hired virtual server.
I have also memory leaks on my Windows Vista with the Ofbiz software. This
means i have to restart the Ofbiz and computer every week. I don't know
what the reason is.
By the way i run the Ofbiz with MySql database.
This are all my first things in mind about Ofbiz.
I am looking further to work with you together.
I can give you also some interesting contacts all over the world from
people who are since years working in Ofbiz development and/or maintenance.
You can ask me as much questions about Ofbiz as you like.
If you want to meet me that is also possible in Brussels during the day .
Best regards,
Eric Lens
2012/4/5 Jonville Paul <pa...@uclouvain-mons.be>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm a student in economics at Louvain School of Management (in Belgium).
>
> I have a work to do for my Integrate Information System class which
> consist to compare Apache OfBiz and Open ERP.
>
> I would like to know if it is possible to have some information about your
> company.
>
> What are the advantages of your products in term of available modules,
> needed computer
>
> specifications, available aids, ergonomics, targeted public(small
> businesses or big ones), how to adapt the modules depending on the
> specific needs of the enterprise, etc.
>
>
>
> The work will be entirely confidential (if you need a paper to ensure it I
> can send you one)
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for your time,
>
>
>
> Wish you the best.
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul Jonville
>
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