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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> on 2011/11/29 08:20:12 UTC
Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
FYI
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
rather than after the testing phase is over.
Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
individuals on the project.
We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
deciding on who gets to go next.
--
------------------------
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thanks JB for the link!
I cannot see any advantages to early adopt Git as long we can use git-svn
on Apache. Did I miss or misunderstood anything?
Best,
Christian
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Christian,
I'm using Git over SVN. The impact is not so high (but we have to update
the POM around the scm entries, release tag, etc).
Here is some interesting blog:
http://markmcb.com/2008/10/18/3-reasons-to-switch-to-git-from-subversion/
http://dev-heaven.net/projects/20/wiki/Git_vs_SVN_comparison
http://thinkvitamin.com/code/why-you-should-switch-from-subversion-to-git/
http://serverfault.com/questions/62603/git-vs-subversion-pros-and-cons
Regards
JB
On 12/02/2011 06:49 PM, Christian Müller wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Guillaume, thanks for sharing this info with us.
> I know many/most of the Camel committers use Git over SVN. This means this
> could be interesting for us. I'm wondering what will happen after the
> testing phase, if we have a negative outcome for Git? Or will we have a
> positive outcome in each case and this testing phase is more or less to set
> up the infrastructure at Apache?
> Do we have significant advantages by using Git directly (not over SVN)?
>
> Best,
> Christian
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Joe Schaefer<jo...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> To: Apache Infrastructure<in...@apache.org>
>>
>>
>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>
>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>> individuals on the project.
>>
>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hello!
Guillaume, thanks for sharing this info with us.
I know many/most of the Camel committers use Git over SVN. This means this
could be interesting for us. I'm wondering what will happen after the
testing phase, if we have a negative outcome for Git? Or will we have a
positive outcome in each case and this testing phase is more or less to set
up the infrastructure at Apache?
Do we have significant advantages by using Git directly (not over SVN)?
Best,
Christian
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>
>
> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>
> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
> individuals on the project.
>
> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
> deciding on who gets to go next.
>
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>.
No submodules please. Qi4j used them and i know they are not happy with it,
just complicating things for interested people. Anyway, room for discussion
after grad.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Karl Pauls <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is an interesting article by @alblue on this topic:
>
> http://alblue.bandlem.com/2011/11/git-tip-of-week-git-submodules.html
>
> not saying it does fix the issue or anything but interesting at any rate
> :-)
>
> In general, agree with Marcel and others - no Git experiments for us
> at this point.
>
> regards,
>
> Karl
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That's not the point; but git has a completely different
> branching/tagging
> > model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN)
> but
> > a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that
> you
> > tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at
> least)
> > for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Andreas
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <
> marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
> >>
> >> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
> >>
> >> > I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
> >> > being set up in the same way?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from iPhone
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget
> that
> >> >> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm
> not
> >> sure
> >> >> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards,
> >> >> Andreas
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the
> agenda,
> >> but
> >> >>> it might be of interest anyway.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> >>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
> >> >>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >> >>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
> >> >>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
> >> dev@cxf.apache.org
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> FYI
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> >>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
> >> >>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
> >> >>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >> >>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
> >> >>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
> >> >>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
> >> >>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
> >> >>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
> >> >>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
> >> >>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
> >> >>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
> >> >>> individuals on the project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
> >> >>> deciding on who gets to go next.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>> Guillaume Nodet
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>> Open Source SOA
> >> >>> http://fusesource.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Pauls
> karlpauls@gmail.com
> http://twitter.com/karlpauls
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls
> https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls
>
--
Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Karl Pauls <ka...@gmail.com>.
There is an interesting article by @alblue on this topic:
http://alblue.bandlem.com/2011/11/git-tip-of-week-git-submodules.html
not saying it does fix the issue or anything but interesting at any rate :-)
In general, agree with Marcel and others - no Git experiments for us
at this point.
regards,
Karl
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not the point; but git has a completely different branching/tagging
> model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN) but
> a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that you
> tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at least)
> for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
>> wrote:
>
>> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
>>
>> > I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
>> > being set up in the same way?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> > On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
>> >> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not
>> sure
>> >> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Andreas
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda,
>> but
>> >>> it might be of interest anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> >>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>> >>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> >>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>> >>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
>> dev@cxf.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> FYI
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>> >>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>> >>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> >>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>> >>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>> >>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>> >>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>> >>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>> >>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>> >>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>> >>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>> >>> individuals on the project.
>> >>>
>> >>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>> >>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Guillaume Nodet
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Open Source SOA
>> >>> http://fusesource.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>> >>>
>>
>>
--
Karl Pauls
karlpauls@gmail.com
http://twitter.com/karlpauls
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlpauls
https://profiles.google.com/karlpauls
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>.
That was not a recommendation but lightweight hint to followers not
following other apache lists. For ACE currently within graduation process
its of cause not recommended. Just may be it affects release strategies
just because that was a topic in recent days.
Just keep git in mind. Its coming. No doubt ;)
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Marcel Offermans <
marcel.offermans@luminis.nl> wrote:
> I don't think we're in the best position to move to Git. I agree with
> Bram, we should first focus on graduating. Let someone else pioneer Git and
> its integration into the whole Apache release process.
>
> Greetings, Marcel
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bram de Kruijff wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> That's not the point; but git has a completely different
> branching/tagging
> >> model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN)
> but
> >> a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that
> you
> >> tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at
> least)
> >> for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
> >
> > Correct, this is not how git works. It would be awkward at the very
> > least.. Submodules are there to tie a big project together from.. well
> > modules but still they will all have their own repository. Then again
> > it really isn't that big a deal as a repo is just a .git dir in the
> > end and in this way a lot more manageable then one big ass svndump.
> >
> > No binding opinion on applying for a test, but I'd like ACE to graduate
> 8)
> >
> > grz
> > Bram
> >
> > [0] http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html
> >
> >
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <
> marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN
> repository.
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
> >>>> being set up in the same way?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget
> that
> >>>>> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm
> not
> >>> sure
> >>>>> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>> Andreas
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the
> agenda,
> >>> but
> >>>>>> it might be of interest anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >>>>>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
> >>>>>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
> >>> dev@cxf.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> FYI
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
> >>>>>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >>>>>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
> >>>>>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
> >>>>>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
> >>>>>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
> >>>>>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
> >>>>>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
> >>>>>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
> >>>>>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
> >>>>>> individuals on the project.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
> >>>>>> deciding on who gets to go next.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>> ------------------------
> >>>>>> Open Source SOA
> >>>>>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
--
Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
I don't think we're in the best position to move to Git. I agree with Bram, we should first focus on graduating. Let someone else pioneer Git and its integration into the whole Apache release process.
Greetings, Marcel
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Bram de Kruijff wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's not the point; but git has a completely different branching/tagging
>> model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN) but
>> a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that you
>> tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at least)
>> for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
>
> Correct, this is not how git works. It would be awkward at the very
> least.. Submodules are there to tie a big project together from.. well
> modules but still they will all have their own repository. Then again
> it really isn't that big a deal as a repo is just a .git dir in the
> end and in this way a lot more manageable then one big ass svndump.
>
> No binding opinion on applying for a test, but I'd like ACE to graduate 8)
>
> grz
> Bram
>
> [0] http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html
>
>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
>>>
>>>> I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
>>>> being set up in the same way?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
>>>>> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not
>>> sure
>>>>> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda,
>>> but
>>>>>> it might be of interest anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>>>>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>>>>>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
>>> dev@cxf.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>>>>>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>>>>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>>>>>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>>>>>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>>>>>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>>>>>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>>>>>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>>>>>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>>>>>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>>>>>> individuals on the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>>>>>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Bram de Kruijff <bd...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not the point; but git has a completely different branching/tagging
> model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN) but
> a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that you
> tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at least)
> for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
Correct, this is not how git works. It would be awkward at the very
least.. Submodules are there to tie a big project together from.. well
modules but still they will all have their own repository. Then again
it really isn't that big a deal as a repo is just a .git dir in the
end and in this way a lot more manageable then one big ass svndump.
No binding opinion on applying for a test, but I'd like ACE to graduate 8)
grz
Bram
[0] http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
>> wrote:
>
>> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
>>
>> > I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
>> > being set up in the same way?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> > On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
>> >> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not
>> sure
>> >> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Andreas
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda,
>> but
>> >>> it might be of interest anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> >>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>> >>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> >>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>> >>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
>> dev@cxf.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> FYI
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>> >>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>> >>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> >>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>> >>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>> >>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>> >>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>> >>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>> >>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>> >>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>> >>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>> >>> individuals on the project.
>> >>>
>> >>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>> >>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Guillaume Nodet
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>> Open Source SOA
>> >>> http://fusesource.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>> >>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
That's not the point; but git has a completely different branching/tagging
model than svn. The "problem" is that tags are not folders (as in SVN) but
a special concept you apply to a commit directly. Which also means that you
tag the entire repository. And this is simply not true (logically at least)
for a multi-module project with different versions per module.
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:42, Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl
> wrote:
> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
>
> > I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
> > being set up in the same way?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >
> > On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
> >> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not
> sure
> >> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda,
> but
> >>> it might be of interest anyway.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
> >>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
> >>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>,
> dev@cxf.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> FYI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
> >>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
> >>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> >>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
> >>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
> >>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
> >>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
> >>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
> >>>
> >>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
> >>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
> >>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
> >>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
> >>> individuals on the project.
> >>>
> >>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
> >>> deciding on who gets to go next.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Guillaume Nodet
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Open Source SOA
> >>> http://fusesource.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
> >>>
>
>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Chris Brind <ch...@gmail.com>.
Exactly.
Having used git a fair amount I can't see why a repo per module is required.
The advantages of git over svn are many (but slowly diminishing as svn
catches up). I would recommend it, but only if it is the right time
for the project, which I can't comment on.
Cheers
Chris
Sent from iPhone
On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:42, Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl> wrote:
> Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
>
>> I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
>> being set up in the same way?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>
>> On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
>>> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not sure
>>> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
>>>> it might be of interest anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>>>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>>>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>>>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>>>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>>>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>>>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>>>
>>>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>>>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>>>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>>>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>>>> individuals on the project.
>>>>
>>>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>>>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>>>>
>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
Not at all, in fact all Apache projects share one single SVN repository.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Chris Brind wrote:
> I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
> being set up in the same way?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from iPhone
>
>
> On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
>> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not sure
>> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
>>> it might be of interest anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>>
>>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>>> individuals on the project.
>>>
>>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>>>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Chris Brind <ch...@gmail.com>.
I presume ace doesn't have 60 svn repos. What's stopping a git repo
being set up in the same way?
Cheers
Chris
Sent from iPhone
On 29 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not sure
> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
>> it might be of interest anyway.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
>>
>>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>>
>>
>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>
>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>> individuals on the project.
>>
>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
First of all, as long as we're in the incubator, we are probably not the best candidate for experimenting with Git.
What I don't understand is why we would need to create 60 repositories? Where does it say that each repository can only contain one single artifact? Mind you, I'm no Git expert, so please explain.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
> I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
> this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not sure
> if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
>> it might be of interest anyway.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
>> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
>>
>>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
>> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
>> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>>
>>
>> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
>> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
>> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
>> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
>> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>>
>> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
>> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
>> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
>> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
>> individuals on the project.
>>
>> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
>> deciding on who gets to go next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>>
Re: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
I'm not sure if taking git here would be best choice. Don't forget that
this would require an own git repo for each module of ace; And I'm not sure
if the ASF will be happy creating 60+ repos for ace ;-)
Kind regards,
Andreas
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 09:20, Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com> wrote:
> FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
> it might be of interest anyway.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
> dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
>
>
> FYI
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
> Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
> To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
>
>
> While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
> with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
> members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
> solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
> rather than after the testing phase is over.
>
> Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
> proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
> Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
> the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
> individuals on the project.
>
> We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
> deciding on who gets to go next.
>
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
>
>
> --
> Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>
>
Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
Posted by Toni Menzel <to...@okidokiteam.com>.
FYI, I know, with the graduation there are other topics on the agenda, but
it might be of interest anyway.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM
Subject: Fwd: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
To: dev <de...@servicemix.apache.org>, dev@karaf.apache.org,
dev@camel.apache.org, dev <de...@activemq.apache.org>, dev@cxf.apache.org
FYI
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:28
Subject: Accepting proposals regarding early git adoption
To: Apache Infrastructure <in...@apache.org>
While many of you are aware of the ongoing "experiment/alpha test"
with git hosting for CouchDB, you may not be aware of the recent
members@ discussion about git @ Apache, the result of which is to
solicit proposals here for projects interested in adopting git now,
rather than after the testing phase is over.
Any such projects you participate in should write a brief and civil
proposal as to why we should select you for further git testing.
Proposals should include statements of interest in assisting with
the git hosting codebase and associated jira issues from named
individuals on the project.
We'll allow the remainder of the week to collect proposals before
deciding on who gets to go next.
--
------------------------
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
--
Toni Menzel Source <http://tonimenzel.com>