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Posted to community@apache.org by Rob Oxspring <ro...@imapmail.org> on 2003/11/30 22:57:44 UTC
Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Right then, I don't really want to start another round of endless
discussions so I'll try to keep this short and to the point. Do people want
the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy to edit the Oct/Nov issue
with no promises to tackle subsequent issues - aiming to publish in a week
or so.
As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing
list. To vote with content just use the wiki:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3
Rob
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:53:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Joshua Slive wrote:
> > As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> > be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing
> > list. To vote with content just use the wiki:
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3
>
> +1. Go for it.
Likewise. +1
AAMOF, today(yesterday) is the settling day of my (private) company.
I have to make statements of accounts for the revenue office... I am
not sure I can help Rob alot this time. --
-- http://www.apache.org/newsletter/editor.html
Rob, you can request "site" karma to infrastructure@ (and root@).
Hope things go well.
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
P.S. I got one tenth of annual revenue in this year compared with
that in last year. Volunteer activities prevented me from earning
much money in the *real* life?? :-)
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Rob Oxspring wrote:
> Right then, I don't really want to start another round of endless
> discussions so I'll try to keep this short and to the point. Do people want
> the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy to edit the Oct/Nov issue
> with no promises to tackle subsequent issues - aiming to publish in a week
> or so.
>
> As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing
> list. To vote with content just use the wiki:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3
+1. Go for it.
Joshua.
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by "Adam R. B. Jack" <aj...@trysybase.com>.
> > As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content
would
> > be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing
> > list. To vote with content just use the wiki:
> >
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3
+1 and content for Jakarta Gump added.
regards
Adam
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
Rob Oxspring wrote:
> Right then, I don't really want to start another round of endless
> discussions so I'll try to keep this short and to the point. Do people want
> the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy to edit the Oct/Nov issue
> with no promises to tackle subsequent issues - aiming to publish in a week
> or so.
>
> As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing
> list. To vote with content just use the wiki:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3
+1 and thanks Rob.
- Dan
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:22:11 +0100
Mads Toftum wrote:
> > This is personal opinion: posting to all the -dev lists is very hard
> > (burden) for him (Rob?) to do.
> > I recommend him to post a note to committers@
> > and write "please copy this mail to -dev lists to which you are
> > subscribing", instead. I think he can post a note to
> > general@[jakarta|xml|ws], too.
> Do we really have to go through this again?
Not "have to". If the community (e.g. tomcat-dev) want it
to be copied, some participants may copy the message
posted to committers@ to the appropriate lists.
From my experience, posting to all the -dev lists had been
effective in a sense (and can distill nice communications),
however, I know that some do not like this method. This depends
on each communities.
Again, I have to make statements of accounts for the revenue office...
I am not sure I can help the editor at this time. Sorry.
Hope things go well.
P.S. Also, please make the "comfortable" atmosphere for the editor.
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Mads Toftum <ma...@toftum.dk>.
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:51:38AM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>
> This is personal opinion: posting to all the -dev lists is very hard
> (burden) for him (Rob?) to do.
> I recommend him to post a note to committers@
> and write "please copy this mail to -dev lists to which you are
> subscribing", instead. I think he can post a note to
> general@[jakarta|xml|ws], too.
>
Do we really have to go through this again?
One message to committers should be more than enough - I don't know
about others, but I certainly didn't appreciate getting somewhere
around five or ten different copies of the same message for the
first newsletter and I'm sure there are others who got a whole lot
more copies than I did. And to top it all off, it was the same
message being sent repeatedly, so it beat msg-id duplicate filters.
vh
Mads Toftum
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:25:13 -0500
(Subject: RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?)
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Tetsuya seemed to get good results by posting to all of the -dev lists. You
> might post to a note to committers@apache.org. That way everyone is
> reached, and no one gets more than one.
This is personal opinion: posting to all the -dev lists is very hard
(burden) for him (Rob?) to do.
I recommend him to post a note to committers@
and write "please copy this mail to -dev lists to which you are
subscribing", instead. I think he can post a note to
general@[jakarta|xml|ws], too.
> > as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list.
> Please submit a request to apmail, and let us know what options are desired.
> Is this owner posts only?
This is personal opinion: Create newsletter@ mailing list as soon as
possible and annouce the creation of it at announce.AT.apache.DOT.org.
"owner posts only" is very reasonable.
Hope this helps. (And thanx > Rob)
-- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by David Reid <da...@jetnet.co.uk>.
> It seems to me that a short message to announce@apache.org, with a *link*
> to the web page with the report *rather* than the entire report in the
> email itself, would be the best option. You'll hit the widest swath of
> the community in an ASF-wide forum where such messages are generally
> welcomed if short and to the point.
I think the discussion was more focussed on how to garner articles and text
for the newsletter rather than how to advertise it once written, but +1 on
the above sentiments :)
david
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net>.
It seems to me that a short message to announce@apache.org, with a *link*
to the web page with the report *rather* than the entire report in the
email itself, would be the best option. You'll hit the widest swath of
the community in an ASF-wide forum where such messages are generally
welcomed if short and to the point.
Brian
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Re: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Erik Abele <er...@codefaktor.de>.
On 02.12.2003, at 18:31, Sander Striker wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 18:26, Martin Cooper wrote:
>>
>> I would recommend against using committers@, for two reasons. First,
>> AIUI
>> and based on previous reactions to messages to that list, this is not
>> the
>> kind of thing that list is intended for.
>
> Correct. Since this is a list you can't opt-out from, and are on as
> long as you are a committer, we should try and limit us to posts that
> contain 'critical' information every committer needs to be aware of.
Agreed.
>> Second, many contributors to the
>> newsletter in the past were not committers, so that list won't reach
>> some
>> of the people who might help.
This point is moot w.r.t. community@ since community@ is only a subset
of committers@ but anyway +1 from me.
Cheers,
Erik
>> It seems to me that this is in fact the perfect list for requests for
>> newsletter content. After all, it's a community effort, so what better
>> list than community@? If folks from individual projects feel that they
>> might benefit from a wider dissemination of such requests, then they
>> should feel free to redistribute the message within the lists that
>> they
>> deem appropriate. That should not be the responsibility of the
>> newsletter
>> editor, IMHO.
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RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 18:26, Martin Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > > Do people want the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy
> > > to edit the Oct/Nov issue with no promises to tackle subsequent
> > > issues - aiming to publish in a week or so.
> >
> > +1 and much thanks.
> >
> > > As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> > > be better
> >
> > Tetsuya seemed to get good results by posting to all of the -dev lists. You
> > might post to a note to committers@apache.org. That way everyone is
> > reached, and no one gets more than one.
>
> I would recommend against using committers@, for two reasons. First, AIUI
> and based on previous reactions to messages to that list, this is not the
> kind of thing that list is intended for.
Correct. Since this is a list you can't opt-out from, and are on as
long as you are a committer, we should try and limit us to posts that
contain 'critical' information every committer needs to be aware of.
> Second, many contributors to the
> newsletter in the past were not committers, so that list won't reach some
> of the people who might help.
>
> It seems to me that this is in fact the perfect list for requests for
> newsletter content. After all, it's a community effort, so what better
> list than community@? If folks from individual projects feel that they
> might benefit from a wider dissemination of such requests, then they
> should feel free to redistribute the message within the lists that they
> deem appropriate. That should not be the responsibility of the newsletter
> editor, IMHO.
+1.
Sander
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RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ma...@mvdb.net>.
what about an all-dev-mailinglists mail address only allowing mails from
people added by apmail ?
Mvgr,
Martin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martinc@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 18:26
> To: community@apache.org
> Subject: RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > > Do people want the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy
> > > to edit the Oct/Nov issue with no promises to tackle subsequent
> > > issues - aiming to publish in a week or so.
> >
> > +1 and much thanks.
> >
> > > As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with
> content would
> > > be better
> >
> > Tetsuya seemed to get good results by posting to all of the
> -dev lists. You
> > might post to a note to committers@apache.org. That way everyone is
> > reached, and no one gets more than one.
>
> I would recommend against using committers@, for two reasons. First, AIUI
> and based on previous reactions to messages to that list, this is not the
> kind of thing that list is intended for. Second, many contributors to the
> newsletter in the past were not committers, so that list won't reach some
> of the people who might help.
>
> It seems to me that this is in fact the perfect list for requests for
> newsletter content. After all, it's a community effort, so what better
> list than community@? If folks from individual projects feel that they
> might benefit from a wider dissemination of such requests, then they
> should feel free to redistribute the message within the lists that they
> deem appropriate. That should not be the responsibility of the newsletter
> editor, IMHO.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> >
> > > as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list.
> >
> > Please submit a request to apmail, and let us know what options
> are desired.
> > Is this owner posts only?
> >
> > ---- Noel
> >
> >
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RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Do people want the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy
> > to edit the Oct/Nov issue with no promises to tackle subsequent
> > issues - aiming to publish in a week or so.
>
> +1 and much thanks.
>
> > As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> > be better
>
> Tetsuya seemed to get good results by posting to all of the -dev lists. You
> might post to a note to committers@apache.org. That way everyone is
> reached, and no one gets more than one.
I would recommend against using committers@, for two reasons. First, AIUI
and based on previous reactions to messages to that list, this is not the
kind of thing that list is intended for. Second, many contributors to the
newsletter in the past were not committers, so that list won't reach some
of the people who might help.
It seems to me that this is in fact the perfect list for requests for
newsletter content. After all, it's a community effort, so what better
list than community@? If folks from individual projects feel that they
might benefit from a wider dissemination of such requests, then they
should feel free to redistribute the message within the lists that they
deem appropriate. That should not be the responsibility of the newsletter
editor, IMHO.
--
Martin Cooper
>
> > as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list.
>
> Please submit a request to apmail, and let us know what options are desired.
> Is this owner posts only?
>
> ---- Noel
>
>
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RE: Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Do people want the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy
> to edit the Oct/Nov issue with no promises to tackle subsequent
> issues - aiming to publish in a week or so.
+1 and much thanks.
> As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would
> be better
Tetsuya seemed to get good results by posting to all of the -dev lists. You
might post to a note to committers@apache.org. That way everyone is
reached, and no one gets more than one.
> as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list.
Please submit a request to apmail, and let us know what options are desired.
Is this owner posts only?
---- Noel
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