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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com> on 2008/07/30 11:12:08 UTC
Re: Template in Content module
Hi,
I would like to make this https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/ListLayout more clear (and the content module at large as a
client would like to use it in French)
So from ManagerReferenceContent.pdf p.114 I decided to change "List" to "List Own Created Layouts" but the screen has changed since
this page was written and I'm not sure it's ok since it seems there are 3 concepts mixed here :
Template
Layout
Content Data Ressource
Could someone (Al?) give me some light before I really dive in, please ?
Thanks
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking closerly at the Content application. I find the List and Find buttons very confusing. You understand when you use
> Find, but what is the List button used for ?
>
> I had a look at the ManagerReferenceContent.pdf file, but I'm sorry to say that it does not help a lot. Maybe because there is a
> notion of Layout and Content Data Ressource mixed here ?
>
> Also when I use the clip column I always get this error
>
> Erreur lors de l'appel de l'événement: org.ofbiz.webapp.event.EventHandlerException: Problems processing event:
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Could not find resource bundle [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr] (Could not find
> resource bundle [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr])
>
> Is this because something is missing in French, or ? (BTW what for is used the clip feature ? :o)
>
>
> Also just got this one, and sorry but have no time to look at it...
>
> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditLayoutUrl?contentIdTo=TEMPLATE_MASTER&mapKey=&contentId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME&drDataResourceId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME
>
> org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen
> [component://content/widget/layout/LayoutScreens.xml#EditLayoutUrl]: org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy
> script at location [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy] (Error rendering FTL template
> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)) (Error running Groovy script at
> location [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy] (Error rendering FTL template
> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)))
>
> Actually I got plenty of other errors. Do the content data need a cleanup ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi David,
From: "David Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying
> to support?
The primary need is for a client. He will need to use the content component in order to provide reusable blocks modifiable by people
from his company and used in an eCommerce site. Most of the layouts are already defined. But the final client has not yet completly
finalised his choice (in term of blocks and their contents, etc.). So having the content component working is mandatory.
> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work,
> or that is for an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of it and eliminate a lot of what is there,
> possibly including the ListLayout and related pages...
The List Layout purpose is unclear. It seems to show only Templates created with the TEMPLATE_MASTER type but I did not digg depp
yet.
> In other words most stuff is not grounded in any sort of requirements or trying to enable specific user actions and that makes the
> tools kind of difficult to use, and even more difficult to try to define and fix...
I'm not able to cope with it this week but I guess that will be one of my 1st August tasks...
Thanks for your comments, I will let you know my progression as soon it will begin.
Jacques
>
> -David
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:12:08 +0200, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to make this
>> https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/ListLayout more clear (and
>> the content module at large as a
>> client would like to use it in French)
>> So from ManagerReferenceContent.pdf p.114 I decided to change "List" to
>> "List Own Created Layouts" but the screen has changed since
>> this page was written and I'm not sure it's ok since it seems there are 3
>> concepts mixed here :
>> Template
>> Layout
>> Content Data Ressource
>>
>> Could someone (Al?) give me some light before I really dive in, please ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking closerly at the Content application. I find the List and
>> Find buttons very confusing. You understand when you use
>>> Find, but what is the List button used for ?
>>>
>>> I had a look at the ManagerReferenceContent.pdf file, but I'm sorry to
>> say that it does not help a lot. Maybe because there is a
>>> notion of Layout and Content Data Ressource mixed here ?
>>>
>>> Also when I use the clip column I always get this error
>>>
>>> Erreur lors de l'appel de l'événement:
>> org.ofbiz.webapp.event.EventHandlerException: Problems processing event:
>>> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Could not find resource bundle
>> [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr] (Could not find
>>> resource bundle [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr])
>>>
>>> Is this because something is missing in French, or ? (BTW what for is
>> used the clip feature ? :o)
>>>
>>>
>>> Also just got this one, and sorry but have no time to look at it...
>>>
>>>
>> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditLayoutUrl?contentIdTo=TEMPLATE_MASTER&mapKey=&contentId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME&drDataResourceId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME
>>>
>>> org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen
>>> [component://content/widget/layout/LayoutScreens.xml#EditLayoutUrl]:
>> org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy
>>> script at location
>> [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy]
>> (Error rendering FTL template
>>> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in
>> DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)) (Error running Groovy script at
>>> location
>> [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy]
>> (Error rendering FTL template
>>> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in
>> DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)))
>>>
>>> Actually I got plenty of other errors. Do the content data need a
>> cleanup ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
David E Jones wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:38:39 -0700
> Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>> BTW, I just committed a few changes and now you can see the Content
>>> Manager -> WebSite -> CMS thing for the WebStore webSiteId. There
>>> are some issues with how it displays on the ecommerce site... and a
>>> ton of messy code up there for rendering different things (the
>>> blogs and forums and stuff), but simple content display and
>>> templating and such is pretty simple and functions well.
>> I have some pretty cool forum screens deployed here. If there are no
>> objections, I can get them committed.
>
> I certainly wouldn't object. Well, no promises... ;)
>
> It really would be great to see more progress in that area.
I committed some minor changes as a start. After looking through my
local copy, I realized I organized the data slightly different than the
trunk. It will take a little more work to get the improved screens
ported over to the trunk. I'll work on it some more later.
-Adrian
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:38:39 -0700
Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
> David E Jones wrote:
> > BTW, I just committed a few changes and now you can see the Content
> > Manager -> WebSite -> CMS thing for the WebStore webSiteId. There
> > are some issues with how it displays on the ecommerce site... and a
> > ton of messy code up there for rendering different things (the
> > blogs and forums and stuff), but simple content display and
> > templating and such is pretty simple and functions well.
>
> I have some pretty cool forum screens deployed here. If there are no
> objections, I can get them committed.
I certainly wouldn't object. Well, no promises... ;)
It really would be great to see more progress in that area.
-David
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
David E Jones wrote:
> BTW, I just committed a few changes and now you can see the Content
> Manager -> WebSite -> CMS thing for the WebStore webSiteId. There are
> some issues with how it displays on the ecommerce site... and a ton of
> messy code up there for rendering different things (the blogs and forums
> and stuff), but simple content display and templating and such is pretty
> simple and functions well.
I have some pretty cool forum screens deployed here. If there are no
objections, I can get them committed.
-Adrian
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
David,
It's good to know that you confirm this part works pretty well (as I was expecting from my cursory tests :o). By chance I only need
simple things for now.
I will also have to come back to the geo-localisation stuff. Will let you know (working on another stuff this next couple of days)
Thanks !
Jacques
From: "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
> BTW, I just committed a few changes and now you can see the Content Manager -> WebSite -> CMS thing for the WebStore webSiteId.
> There are some issues with how it displays on the ecommerce site... and a ton of messy code up there for rendering different
> things (the blogs and forums and stuff), but simple content display and templating and such is pretty simple and functions well.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Yes, I was already aware of that, having already played a bit with the Content application. Of course I will realy appreciate
>> your help :o)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> To: <de...@ofbiz.apache.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: Template in Content module
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is fine with me. For the moment I need only a simple tool, able to provide "OFBiz eCommerce store policies" kind of
>>>> things. But I'm pretty sure I will need more : I have still to handle some of my needs in the content component to have a
>>>> better view.
>>>> For me the content component is not too bad, it's only difficult to understand how it works and it seems most of us agree on
>>>> this :o)
>>>> I will begin in August, and hopefully let the dev ML knows my progress (with a bit of luck some documentation, if I'm able to
>>>> find time). All advices will be welcome
>>>
>>> A couple of examples are available:
>>>
>>> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/cmssite/cms
>>> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/ecommerce/control/policies
>>>
>>> To edit them try this:
>>>
>>> https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/WebSiteCms?webSiteId=CmsSite
>>>
>>> Actually, it looks like there is no publish point for the ecommerce one, I'll play with that a little.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
BTW, I just committed a few changes and now you can see the Content
Manager -> WebSite -> CMS thing for the WebStore webSiteId. There are
some issues with how it displays on the ecommerce site... and a ton of
messy code up there for rendering different things (the blogs and
forums and stuff), but simple content display and templating and such
is pretty simple and functions well.
-David
On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> David,
>
> Yes, I was already aware of that, having already played a bit with
> the Content application. Of course I will realy appreciate your
> help :o)
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> To: <de...@ofbiz.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Template in Content module
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> This is fine with me. For the moment I need only a simple tool,
>>> able to provide "OFBiz eCommerce store policies" kind of things.
>>> But I'm pretty sure I will need more : I have still to handle
>>> some of my needs in the content component to have a better view.
>>> For me the content component is not too bad, it's only difficult
>>> to understand how it works and it seems most of us agree on
>>> this :o)
>>> I will begin in August, and hopefully let the dev ML knows my
>>> progress (with a bit of luck some documentation, if I'm able to
>>> find time). All advices will be welcome
>>
>> A couple of examples are available:
>>
>> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/cmssite/cms
>> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/ecommerce/control/policies
>>
>> To edit them try this:
>>
>> https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/WebSiteCms?webSiteId=CmsSite
>>
>> Actually, it looks like there is no publish point for the
>> ecommerce one, I'll play with that a little.
>>
>> -David
>>
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
David,
Yes, I was already aware of that, having already played a bit with the Content application. Of course I will realy appreciate your
help :o)
Thanks
Jacques
From: "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
To: <de...@ofbiz.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: Template in Content module
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> This is fine with me. For the moment I need only a simple tool, able to provide "OFBiz eCommerce store policies" kind of things.
>> But I'm pretty sure I will need more : I have still to handle some of my needs in the content component to have a better view.
>> For me the content component is not too bad, it's only difficult to understand how it works and it seems most of us agree on
>> this :o)
>> I will begin in August, and hopefully let the dev ML knows my progress (with a bit of luck some documentation, if I'm able to
>> find time). All advices will be welcome
>
> A couple of examples are available:
>
> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/cmssite/cms
> http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/ecommerce/control/policies
>
> To edit them try this:
>
> https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/WebSiteCms?webSiteId=CmsSite
>
> Actually, it looks like there is no publish point for the ecommerce one, I'll play with that a little.
>
> -David
>
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> This is fine with me. For the moment I need only a simple tool, able
> to provide "OFBiz eCommerce store policies" kind of things. But I'm
> pretty sure I will need more : I have still to handle some of my
> needs in the content component to have a better view.
> For me the content component is not too bad, it's only difficult to
> understand how it works and it seems most of us agree on this :o)
> I will begin in August, and hopefully let the dev ML knows my
> progress (with a bit of luck some documentation, if I'm able to find
> time). All advices will be welcome
A couple of examples are available:
http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/cmssite/cms
http://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/ecommerce/control/policies
To edit them try this:
https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/WebSiteCms?webSiteId=CmsSite
Actually, it looks like there is no publish point for the ecommerce
one, I'll play with that a little.
-David
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
> David Jones wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:43:42 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
>>> David Jones wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> David Jones wrote:
>>>>>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words
>>> what
>>>>> sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>>>>>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot
>>>>> of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is
>>> for
>>>>> an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most
>>> of
>>>>> it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the
>>> ListLayout
>>>>> and related pages...
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS?
>>> If
>>>>> there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
>>>>> and the work required to maintain it.
>>>> The problem is that most CMS systems are really pretty limited in scope
>>> and capabilities, and are often meant for pretty specific purposes. A lot
>>> of people use them and work around these limitations with CMS
>>> supplementation, like like a lot of companies work around ERP systems and
>>> end up writing a lot of ERP augmentation stuff. There are a number of nice
>>> content and document management pieces that have been built on the OFBiz
>>> content stuff, with the CompDoc stuff that is in the Content Manager being
>>> just a hint at some of the possibilities (like Survey integrations,
>>> document combining, revision control, approvals, and so on).
>>>> If we did go with an external content management system, even for simple
>>> things like ProductContent, a lot more effort would go into the indirect
>>> integration and getting them to work together.
>>>> IMO what we really need is a decent UI for managing content, and if even
>>> if we started out by borrowing designs from one of the existing open source
>>> ones for web content management it would be great. Most of the efforts so
>>> far have been, well, half-assed and never finished.
>>>
>>> Maybe we could start out by moving some of the more framework-oriented
>>> stuff out of the content component and into the framework. That would
>>> help reduce the size of the component and make the "code cleanup" target
>>> smaller and easier to work with.
>>>
>>> The other day I was working on fixing an email service bug and was
>>> surprised to find email services are kept in the content component. IMO,
>>> those should be kept in the framework - since many other components use
>>> them.
>>
>> Yeah, that would be good to do regardless. The common component is probably a better place for some of that stuff.
>>
>> In a way, BTW, we may want to consider moving the whole content component to the framework as it is more often a tool used to
>> enable business processes than something that actually automates processes (which is what the applications and most
>> specialpurpose components are about).
>
> I was thinking that too. I'll get a Jira issue created for it. I can't help out with it until end of August, but it would be nice
> to get some kind of task list, etc set up in the meantime.
This is fine with me. For the moment I need only a simple tool, able to provide "OFBiz eCommerce store policies" kind of things. But
I'm pretty sure I will need more : I have still to handle some of my needs in the content component to have a better view.
For me the content component is not too bad, it's only difficult to understand how it works and it seems most of us agree on this
:o)
I will begin in August, and hopefully let the dev ML knows my progress (with a bit of luck some documentation, if I'm able to find
time). All advices will be welcome
Jacques
> -Adrian
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
David Jones wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:43:42 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
>> David Jones wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> David Jones wrote:
>>>>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words
>> what
>>>> sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>>>>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot
>>>> of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is
>> for
>>>> an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most
>> of
>>>> it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the
>> ListLayout
>>>> and related pages...
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS?
>> If
>>>> there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
>>>> and the work required to maintain it.
>>> The problem is that most CMS systems are really pretty limited in scope
>> and capabilities, and are often meant for pretty specific purposes. A lot
>> of people use them and work around these limitations with CMS
>> supplementation, like like a lot of companies work around ERP systems and
>> end up writing a lot of ERP augmentation stuff. There are a number of nice
>> content and document management pieces that have been built on the OFBiz
>> content stuff, with the CompDoc stuff that is in the Content Manager being
>> just a hint at some of the possibilities (like Survey integrations,
>> document combining, revision control, approvals, and so on).
>>> If we did go with an external content management system, even for simple
>> things like ProductContent, a lot more effort would go into the indirect
>> integration and getting them to work together.
>>> IMO what we really need is a decent UI for managing content, and if even
>> if we started out by borrowing designs from one of the existing open source
>> ones for web content management it would be great. Most of the efforts so
>> far have been, well, half-assed and never finished.
>>
>> Maybe we could start out by moving some of the more framework-oriented
>> stuff out of the content component and into the framework. That would
>> help reduce the size of the component and make the "code cleanup" target
>> smaller and easier to work with.
>>
>> The other day I was working on fixing an email service bug and was
>> surprised to find email services are kept in the content component. IMO,
>> those should be kept in the framework - since many other components use
>> them.
>
> Yeah, that would be good to do regardless. The common component is probably a better place for some of that stuff.
>
> In a way, BTW, we may want to consider moving the whole content component to the framework as it is more often a tool used to enable business processes than something that actually automates processes (which is what the applications and most specialpurpose components are about).
I was thinking that too. I'll get a Jira issue created for it. I can't
help out with it until end of August, but it would be nice to get some
kind of task list, etc set up in the meantime.
-Adrian
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:43:42 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
> David Jones wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>
> wrote:
>>> David Jones wrote:
>>>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words
> what
>>> sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>>>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot
>>> of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is
> for
>>> an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most
> of
>>> it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the
> ListLayout
>>> and related pages...
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS?
> If
>>> there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
>>> and the work required to maintain it.
>>
>> The problem is that most CMS systems are really pretty limited in scope
> and capabilities, and are often meant for pretty specific purposes. A lot
> of people use them and work around these limitations with CMS
> supplementation, like like a lot of companies work around ERP systems and
> end up writing a lot of ERP augmentation stuff. There are a number of nice
> content and document management pieces that have been built on the OFBiz
> content stuff, with the CompDoc stuff that is in the Content Manager being
> just a hint at some of the possibilities (like Survey integrations,
> document combining, revision control, approvals, and so on).
>>
>> If we did go with an external content management system, even for simple
> things like ProductContent, a lot more effort would go into the indirect
> integration and getting them to work together.
>>
>> IMO what we really need is a decent UI for managing content, and if even
> if we started out by borrowing designs from one of the existing open source
> ones for web content management it would be great. Most of the efforts so
> far have been, well, half-assed and never finished.
>
> Maybe we could start out by moving some of the more framework-oriented
> stuff out of the content component and into the framework. That would
> help reduce the size of the component and make the "code cleanup" target
> smaller and easier to work with.
>
> The other day I was working on fixing an email service bug and was
> surprised to find email services are kept in the content component. IMO,
> those should be kept in the framework - since many other components use
> them.
Yeah, that would be good to do regardless. The common component is probably a better place for some of that stuff.
In a way, BTW, we may want to consider moving the whole content component to the framework as it is more often a tool used to enable business processes than something that actually automates processes (which is what the applications and most specialpurpose components are about).
-David
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
David Jones wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
>> David Jones wrote:
>>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what
>> sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot
>> of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is for
>> an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of
>> it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the ListLayout
>> and related pages...
>>
>> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS? If
>> there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
>> and the work required to maintain it.
>
> The problem is that most CMS systems are really pretty limited in scope and capabilities, and are often meant for pretty specific purposes. A lot of people use them and work around these limitations with CMS supplementation, like like a lot of companies work around ERP systems and end up writing a lot of ERP augmentation stuff. There are a number of nice content and document management pieces that have been built on the OFBiz content stuff, with the CompDoc stuff that is in the Content Manager being just a hint at some of the possibilities (like Survey integrations, document combining, revision control, approvals, and so on).
>
> If we did go with an external content management system, even for simple things like ProductContent, a lot more effort would go into the indirect integration and getting them to work together.
>
> IMO what we really need is a decent UI for managing content, and if even if we started out by borrowing designs from one of the existing open source ones for web content management it would be great. Most of the efforts so far have been, well, half-assed and never finished.
Maybe we could start out by moving some of the more framework-oriented
stuff out of the content component and into the framework. That would
help reduce the size of the component and make the "code cleanup" target
smaller and easier to work with.
The other day I was working on fixing an email service bug and was
surprised to find email services are kept in the content component. IMO,
those should be kept in the framework - since many other components use
them.
-Adrian
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com> wrote:
> David Jones wrote:
>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what
> sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>>
>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot
> of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is for
> an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of
> it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the ListLayout
> and related pages...
>
> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS? If
> there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
> and the work required to maintain it.
The problem is that most CMS systems are really pretty limited in scope and capabilities, and are often meant for pretty specific purposes. A lot of people use them and work around these limitations with CMS supplementation, like like a lot of companies work around ERP systems and end up writing a lot of ERP augmentation stuff. There are a number of nice content and document management pieces that have been built on the OFBiz content stuff, with the CompDoc stuff that is in the Content Manager being just a hint at some of the possibilities (like Survey integrations, document combining, revision control, approvals, and so on).
If we did go with an external content management system, even for simple things like ProductContent, a lot more effort would go into the indirect integration and getting them to work together.
IMO what we really need is a decent UI for managing content, and if even if we started out by borrowing designs from one of the existing open source ones for web content management it would be great. Most of the efforts so far have been, well, half-assed and never finished.
-David
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@hlmksw.com>
> David Jones wrote:
>> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what sort of requirement do you have or feature are you
>> trying to support?
>>
>> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work,
>> or that is for an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of it and eliminate a lot of what is there,
>> possibly including the ListLayout and related pages...
>
> Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS? If there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized
> chunk of code and the work required to maintain it.
I know only this project http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencms-ofbiz But I did not look at it at all (only lurked exchanges in
OFBiz ML http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?local=y&forum=2740&query=opencms)
Jacques
> -Adrian
>
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
David Jones wrote:
> What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
>
> Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is for an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the ListLayout and related pages...
Has anyone ever considered integrating OFBiz with an Open Source CMS? If
there was a way to do it, we could eliminate a good sized chunk of code
and the work required to maintain it.
-Adrian
Re: Template in Content module
Posted by David Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
What is it that you are trying to implement Jacques? In other words what sort of requirement do you have or feature are you trying to support?
Or are you just trying to clean up the Content Manager? There is a lot of stuff in the Content Manager that either doesn't work, or that is for an unclear purpose, and personally I'd like to see a redesign of most of it and eliminate a lot of what is there, possibly including the ListLayout and related pages...
In other words most stuff is not grounded in any sort of requirements or trying to enable specific user actions and that makes the tools kind of difficult to use, and even more difficult to try to define and fix...
-David
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:12:08 +0200, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to make this
> https://demo.hotwaxmedia.com/content/control/ListLayout more clear (and
> the content module at large as a
> client would like to use it in French)
> So from ManagerReferenceContent.pdf p.114 I decided to change "List" to
> "List Own Created Layouts" but the screen has changed since
> this page was written and I'm not sure it's ok since it seems there are 3
> concepts mixed here :
> Template
> Layout
> Content Data Ressource
>
> Could someone (Al?) give me some light before I really dive in, please ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking closerly at the Content application. I find the List and
> Find buttons very confusing. You understand when you use
>> Find, but what is the List button used for ?
>>
>> I had a look at the ManagerReferenceContent.pdf file, but I'm sorry to
> say that it does not help a lot. Maybe because there is a
>> notion of Layout and Content Data Ressource mixed here ?
>>
>> Also when I use the clip column I always get this error
>>
>> Erreur lors de l'appel de l'événement:
> org.ofbiz.webapp.event.EventHandlerException: Problems processing event:
>> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Could not find resource bundle
> [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr] (Could not find
>> resource bundle [ContentErrorUiLabel] in the locale [fr])
>>
>> Is this because something is missing in French, or ? (BTW what for is
> used the clip feature ? :o)
>>
>>
>> Also just got this one, and sorry but have no time to look at it...
>>
>>
> https://localhost:8443/content/control/EditLayoutUrl?contentIdTo=TEMPLATE_MASTER&mapKey=&contentId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME&drDataResourceId=CMSS_DEMO_HOME
>>
>> org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen
>> [component://content/widget/layout/LayoutScreens.xml#EditLayoutUrl]:
> org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy
>> script at location
> [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy]
> (Error rendering FTL template
>> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in
> DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)) (Error running Groovy script at
>> location
> [component://content/webapp/content/WEB-INF/actions/layout/EditSubContent.groovy]
> (Error rendering FTL template
>> (Expression thisContent is undefined on line 22, column 17 in
> DataResource:CMSS_DEMO_HOME.)))
>>
>> Actually I got plenty of other errors. Do the content data need a
> cleanup ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques