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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com> on 2014/09/24 16:49:05 UTC
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Hello
Using subversion 1.7.6 on windows with visual studio 2008 on windows 7 and I'm wondering why subversion won't add new files. I've had problems with subversion adding junk to the repository and I was able to stop that using global ignores. Having to remember to manually add files, and if I add a form I must remember to add 3 files, runs the risk of losing data at worst and merge conflicts at best.
I did move my code from a network share to a local drive. I just copied everything. The other commands seem to work well enough. Here's a section from my config file in C:\Users\JohnM.ROTAIR\AppData\Roaming\Subversion
# global-ignores = *.o *.lo *.la *.al .libs *.so *.so.[0-9]* *.a *.pyc *.pyo *.sou
# *.rej *~ #*# .#* .*.swp .DS_Store
global-ignores = *.suo *.user bin obj
There are no other global ignores in that file.
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:59 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks for the links Ryan, but I've read through chapter 4. Can't say I understand through chapter 4, but reading it again will unlikely produce better results. Maybe in a couple of years.
>
> And I must mention that once you understand something you have a bias toward it, i.e. the understanding. To say it's clear does nothing to describe the state of it to someone without your knowledge. Plus it is not helpful to anyone who does not understand something to say "works for me." That is borderline combative and creates a rift threatening further understanding. I apologize if I took your comment wrong but it's important to me to help you to improve your comments. You can ignore me and that’s fine, I don't mind. But if I see an unuseful comment from someone who may wish to make only useful comments and I don't help them then its shame on me.
>
> And I would like to help with the book. I don't believe I am at a level to do that properly yet. I have a long way to go.
The impression I got from your first messages was "this tool does not work correctly"; I was trying to transform that to "I don't understand how to use this tool correctly" and to help you address that. I apologize that I'm not communicating well.
As you've read, the "svn add" command is mentioned in Chapter 2, where it says "sometimes you need to add, remove, copy and move files and directories—the svn add, svn delete, svn copy, and svn move commands handle those sorts of structural changes"; "svn add FOO" is documented a few paragraphs later: "Use this to schedule the file, directory, or symbolic link FOO to be added to the repository." Further discussion and examples follow in the rest of the chapter.
You previously mentioned Subversion adding files you didn't want it to. "svn add" only schedules for addition those files that you tell it to, and you can review that and even change your mind (using "svn revert") before committing, so the only cause of this that I can think of is running "svn import". "svn import"'s job is to bring all of an existing unversioned directory's files into your repository, minus any files whose names are matched by the global ignores. If there were files in that directory that you didn't want to add that weren't matched by your global ignores, that would explain files getting committed that you didn't want in the repository.
"svn import" is something of a special-case command, used only in the limited circumstance of getting an existing unversioned directory of files into your repository, and even for that use case, you don't have to use "svn import"; an alternative is the "in-place import" process:
http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#in-place-import
In short, you make an empty directory in the repository (with "svn mkdir"), then turn your unversioned directory into a working copy pointing to that empty directory in the repository (with "svn checkout"), then you "svn add" the files what you want. This has the advantage of giving you the opportunity of reviewing (with "svn status") exactly what files will be included before they get into the repository, and letting you refine that by "svn add"ing additional files or "svn revert"ing files you didn't mean to add. This more closely matches the normal Subversion workflow, in which you make changes (i.e. "svn add" unversioned files, or edit or "svn mv" or "svn rm" versioned files), then review (with "svn status" and "svn diff") before committing (with "svn commit").
RE: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com>.
Thanks for the links Ryan, but I've read through chapter 4. Can't say I understand through chapter 4, but reading it again will unlikely produce better results. Maybe in a couple of years.
And I must mention that once you understand something you have a bias toward it, i.e. the understanding. To say it's clear does nothing to describe the state of it to someone without your knowledge. Plus it is not helpful to anyone who does not understand something to say "works for me." That is borderline combative and creates a rift threatening further understanding. I apologize if I took your comment wrong but it's important to me to help you to improve your comments. You can ignore me and that’s fine, I don't mind. But if I see an unuseful comment from someone who may wish to make only useful comments and I don't help them then its shame on me.
And I would like to help with the book. I don't believe I am at a level to do that properly yet. I have a long way to go.
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:subversion-2014@ryandesign.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:41 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Subversion Users
Subject: Re: subversion won’t add new files
On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:14 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. Not sure why you wish to post opinions or think it's clear when the book says "Send changes from your working copy to the repository" when I make a change in my working copy and it is ignored. Don't take it personal if a user does not understand something. And just because you understand something does not make it clear. It just makes it clear to you.
>
> But none the less, thank you for explaining the weird behavior, it was very helpful.
Tone is not always easy to infer in email, but I'm not taking anything personally. I am just a Subversion user, just like you; this list is for Subversion users to help other Subversion users use and understand the software. In my case, I have about 10 years of experience using Subversion, which is why I mentioned my opinions about the tool and its documentation. I understand you're frustrated that the tool isn't working the way you expected, which is why I wanted to give you the benefit of my experience to let you know that Subversion is in fact a quality tool, but like other complex software, it is important to understand how it works, which is what the Subversion Book and other documentation (and this list) are there to help you with.
The passage you quoted, "Send changes from your working copy to the repository", is from Chapter 9 of the book:
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.ref.svn.c.commit.html
This is a very late section of the book, supposed to give you a quick reminder of specific commands, after you've already learned how to use the tool; it's not an appendix though it might as well be. To learn how to use the tool, read the earlier chapters of the book, such as Chapter 1: Fundamental Concepts and Chapter 2: Basic Usage.
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.basic.html
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.html
Hopefully this will give you a good understanding of how to use Subversion effectively and you'll come to enjoy using it as much as I do.
You can also send feedback about the book to its authors; their contact information is on the book's main page:
http://svnbook.red-bean.com
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:14 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. Not sure why you wish to post opinions or think it's clear when the book says "Send changes from your working copy to the repository" when I make a change in my working copy and it is ignored. Don't take it personal if a user does not understand something. And just because you understand something does not make it clear. It just makes it clear to you.
>
> But none the less, thank you for explaining the weird behavior, it was very helpful.
Tone is not always easy to infer in email, but I'm not taking anything personally. I am just a Subversion user, just like you; this list is for Subversion users to help other Subversion users use and understand the software. In my case, I have about 10 years of experience using Subversion, which is why I mentioned my opinions about the tool and its documentation. I understand you're frustrated that the tool isn't working the way you expected, which is why I wanted to give you the benefit of my experience to let you know that Subversion is in fact a quality tool, but like other complex software, it is important to understand how it works, which is what the Subversion Book and other documentation (and this list) are there to help you with.
The passage you quoted, "Send changes from your working copy to the repository", is from Chapter 9 of the book:
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.ref.svn.c.commit.html
This is a very late section of the book, supposed to give you a quick reminder of specific commands, after you've already learned how to use the tool; it's not an appendix though it might as well be. To learn how to use the tool, read the earlier chapters of the book, such as Chapter 1: Fundamental Concepts and Chapter 2: Basic Usage.
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.basic.html
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.html
Hopefully this will give you a good understanding of how to use Subversion effectively and you'll come to enjoy using it as much as I do.
You can also send feedback about the book to its authors; their contact information is on the book's main page:
http://svnbook.red-bean.com
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by jb...@icloud.com.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:42 AM, John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the link jb. Reading through that section of the book I encountered "file changes" and "tree changes." It also just mentions "changes" numerous times. On my initial reading it appears that when the book mentions "changes" without specifying the type (like the definition of the "Commit" command) it is talking about "file changes" ONLY and it is excluding "tree changes." Just wondering if that assumption would be right most of the time or could it go either way and I would have to test to see which one was applicable. I tried looking at other mentions of the "changes" but due to my ignorance of the software I wasn't able to come to any conclusions myself.
If you issue the 'svn commit' command without specifying any filenames, svn assumes (as a work-flow optimization) that you wish to commit all changes to all tracked files from that point in the file tree, recursively.
I say this is an optimization because 'commit' and 'update' are very frequently used in normal subversion activities. By way of contrast, Git assumes nothing, and requires you to explicitly 'git add' any changed files you wish to include in your commit, in addition to any directories or new files you wish to include.
RE: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com>.
Thanks for the link jb. Reading through that section of the book I encountered "file changes" and "tree changes." It also just mentions "changes" numerous times. On my initial reading it appears that when the book mentions "changes" without specifying the type (like the definition of the "Commit" command) it is talking about "file changes" ONLY and it is excluding "tree changes." Just wondering if that assumption would be right most of the time or could it go either way and I would have to test to see which one was applicable. I tried looking at other mentions of the "changes" but due to my ignorance of the software I wasn't able to come to any conclusions myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: jblist@icloud.com [mailto:jblist@icloud.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:24 PM
To: John Maher
Cc: Subversion Users
Subject: Re: subversion won’t add new files
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:14 AM, John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com> wrote:
> Yes, you must "svn add" any files you want Subversion to add to the repository. It's not meant to be confusing... I found the book exceptionally clear and helpful in explaining how Subversion works and is meant to be used.
>
>
> Thanks for your reply. Not sure why you wish to post opinions or think it's clear when the book says "Send changes from your working copy to the repository" when I make a change in my working copy and it is ignored. Don't take it personal if a user does not understand something. And just because you understand something does not make it clear. It just makes it clear to you.
>
> But none the less, thank you for explaining the weird behavior, it was very helpful.
>
> JM
The "svn add" only needs to be performed once so that SVN knows to begin tracking the file. Afterwards, any subsequent changes to the file will be commited. Adding a file to the repository is a change to the repository and must be indicated with the "svn add". This change to the repository (the addititon) is then commited upon "svn commit".
Likewise, when you choose to remove a file from the repository, you must use "svn rm". The deletion is then commited with "svn commit". Simply removing a file from your working copy is not sufficient.
Please review the "Basic Work Cycle" section of the SVN book for more information.
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.cycle.html
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by jb...@icloud.com.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:14 AM, John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com> wrote:
> Yes, you must "svn add" any files you want Subversion to add to the repository. It's not meant to be confusing... I found the book exceptionally clear and helpful in explaining how Subversion works and is meant to be used.
>
>
> Thanks for your reply. Not sure why you wish to post opinions or think it's clear when the book says "Send changes from your working copy to the repository" when I make a change in my working copy and it is ignored. Don't take it personal if a user does not understand something. And just because you understand something does not make it clear. It just makes it clear to you.
>
> But none the less, thank you for explaining the weird behavior, it was very helpful.
>
> JM
The "svn add" only needs to be performed once so that SVN knows to begin tracking the file. Afterwards, any subsequent changes to the file will be commited. Adding a file to the repository is a change to the repository and must be indicated with the "svn add". This change to the repository (the addititon) is then commited upon "svn commit".
Likewise, when you choose to remove a file from the repository, you must use "svn rm". The deletion is then commited with "svn commit". Simply removing a file from your working copy is not sufficient.
Please review the "Basic Work Cycle" section of the SVN book for more information.
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.cycle.html
RE: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:subversion-2014@ryandesign.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:58 AM
To: John Maher
Cc: Subversion Users
Subject: Re: subversion won’t add new files
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:54 AM, John Maher wrote:
> I issue svn commit -m "testing"
>
> I get
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Application.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Resources.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Settings.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
> Transmitting file data ......
> Committed revision 254.
>
> svn status
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
>
> Those are files that did not get added. I add another one, "Form1".
>
> Build the project.
>
> Issue another commit.
> svn commit -m "testing"
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
> Transmitting file data .
> Committed revision 255.
>
> svn status
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
>
> Now I have even more files that subversion missed. I did not issue any add commands. Do I have to manually add files? I thought subversion was supposed to handle this. This is a change to my working copy that did not get incorporated into the repository. At one time it was adding files I did not want added. Now its ignoring files I want to add. Very confusing tool indeed.
>
> The book says this:
> Send changes from your working copy to the repository. If you do not supply a log message with your commit by using either the --file (-F) or --message (-m) option, svn will launch your editor for you to compose a commit message. See the editor-cmd list entry in the section called “Config”.
>
> Which gives me no information as if it should add new files or that is my job. Can someone tell me if it's my responsibility to add new files or subversion's?
Yes, you must "svn add" any files you want Subversion to add to the repository. It's not meant to be confusing... I found the book exceptionally clear and helpful in explaining how Subversion works and is meant to be used.
Thanks for your reply. Not sure why you wish to post opinions or think it's clear when the book says "Send changes from your working copy to the repository" when I make a change in my working copy and it is ignored. Don't take it personal if a user does not understand something. And just because you understand something does not make it clear. It just makes it clear to you.
But none the less, thank you for explaining the weird behavior, it was very helpful.
JM
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:54 AM, John Maher wrote:
> I issue svn commit -m "testing"
>
> I get
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Application.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Resources.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Settings.Designer.vb
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
> Transmitting file data ......
> Committed revision 254.
>
> svn status
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
>
> Those are files that did not get added. I add another one, "Form1".
>
> Build the project.
>
> Issue another commit.
> svn commit -m "testing"
> Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
> Transmitting file data .
> Committed revision 255.
>
> svn status
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
> ? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
>
> Now I have even more files that subversion missed. I did not issue any add commands. Do I have to manually add files? I thought subversion was supposed to handle this. This is a change to my working copy that did not get incorporated into the repository. At one time it was adding files I did not want added. Now its ignoring files I want to add. Very confusing tool indeed.
>
> The book says this:
> Send changes from your working copy to the repository. If you do not supply a log message with your commit by using either the --file (-F) or --message (-m) option, svn will launch your editor for you to compose a commit message. See the editor-cmd list entry in the section called “Config”.
>
> Which gives me no information as if it should add new files or that is my job. Can someone tell me if it's my responsibility to add new files or subversion's?
Yes, you must "svn add" any files you want Subversion to add to the repository. It's not meant to be confusing... I found the book exceptionally clear and helpful in explaining how Subversion works and is meant to be used.
RE: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com>.
I issue svn commit -m "testing"
I get
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.designer.vb
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\CertificatePrint.vb
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Application.Designer.vb
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Resources.Designer.vb
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\My Project\Settings.Designer.vb
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
Transmitting file data ......
Committed revision 254.
svn status
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
Those are files that did not get added. I add another one, "Form1".
Build the project.
Issue another commit.
svn commit -m "testing"
Sending RotairUI_CertificatePrint\RotairUI_CertificatePrint.vbproj
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 255.
svn status
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.Designer.vb
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\Form1.vb
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.Designer.vb
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.resx
? RotairUI_CertificatePrint\FreeFormText.vb
Now I have even more files that subversion missed. I did not issue any add commands. Do I have to manually add files? I thought subversion was supposed to handle this. This is a change to my working copy that did not get incorporated into the repository. At one time it was adding files I did not want added. Now its ignoring files I want to add. Very confusing tool indeed.
The book says this:
Send changes from your working copy to the repository. If you do not supply a log message with your commit by using either the --file (-F) or --message (-m) option, svn will launch your editor for you to compose a commit message. See the editor-cmd list entry in the section called “Config”.
Which gives me no information as if it should add new files or that is my job. Can someone tell me if it's my responsibility to add new files or subversion's?
Thanks
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:subversion-2014@ryandesign.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:41 AM
To: John Maher
Cc: Subversion Users
Subject: Re: subversion won’t add new files
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:38 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:49 AM, John Maher wrote:
>>>
>>> Using subversion 1.7.6 on windows with visual studio 2008 on windows 7 and I’m wondering why subversion won’t add new files.
>>
>> Can you show us a transcript of this happening (or rather not happening)?
>
> Not quite sure what you mean.
>
> I issue svn commit -m "message"
>
> Files do not get added.
What I mean is that since this is working correctly for everybody else, we need more information from you to see what you're doing differently.
What does "svn status" say before you run "svn commit"? What "svn add" commands did you run before that?
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:38 AM, John Maher wrote:
> Ryan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:49 AM, John Maher wrote:
>>>
>>> Using subversion 1.7.6 on windows with visual studio 2008 on windows 7 and I’m wondering why subversion won’t add new files.
>>
>> Can you show us a transcript of this happening (or rather not happening)?
>
> Not quite sure what you mean.
>
> I issue svn commit -m "message"
>
> Files do not get added.
What I mean is that since this is working correctly for everybody else, we need more information from you to see what you're doing differently.
What does "svn status" say before you run "svn commit"? What "svn add" commands did you run before that?
RE: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by John Maher <Jo...@rotair.com>.
Not quite sure what you mean.
I issue svn commit -m "message"
Files do not get added.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:subversion-2014@ryandesign.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:08 AM
To: John Maher
Cc: Subversion Users
Subject: Re: subversion won’t add new files
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:49 AM, John Maher wrote:
>
> Using subversion 1.7.6 on windows with visual studio 2008 on windows 7 and I’m wondering why subversion won’t add new files.
Can you show us a transcript of this happening (or rather not happening)?
Re: subversion won’t add new files
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:49 AM, John Maher wrote:
>
> Using subversion 1.7.6 on windows with visual studio 2008 on windows 7 and I’m wondering why subversion won’t add new files.
Can you show us a transcript of this happening (or rather not happening)?