Publishing Snapshot/Test Build (was Re: [Tiles2] JSTL functions for Tiles taglib?)

["David H. DeWolf" <dd...@apache.org>]

I'm all for publishing a new snapshot ASAP.

Additionally, once this question of the attribute tag name is resolved, 
I'd take it a step further and say that we should set a goal for pushing 
out 2.0.0.  Perhaps this build will only be deemed a test build, or 
maybe alpha, but either way it will be good to get through the first 
release and set a tone for releasing "early and often".

My goal is to try to get the site flushed out (finish the quick-start, 
which I'll probably move to the wiki, and just some generic cleanup), 
and then help drive 2.0.0.  What else do we think is necessary for that 
to happen?

David

Joe Germuska wrote:
> On the struts dev list, we had a thread about some changes to the Tiles 
> tags
> (see
> http://www.nabble.com/-Tiles2--JSTL-functions-for-Tiles-taglib--t2961079.html 
> 
> )
> 
> Today on the struts user list, someone asked a question about the PutList
> tag which relates to something which is fixed in there.
> 
> Can we wrap up that previous thread -- Antonio, hope you're not super busy
> right now -- I'd mostly like to hear if you still have concerns about the
> changes which were made which would make it premature to build a new
> SNAPSHOT based on SVN head.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 1/16/07, Joe Germuska <jo...@germuska.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm just not understanding you.
>>
>> If I use "<tiles:insertAttribute name="foo" /> and Foo was defined as a
>> string, the end result is a visible string in the page.  I have trouble
>> perceiving that as a definition, while it naturally fits my concept of
>> "insert."
>>
>> Perhaps your concern is that there might be some indeterminacy between
>> whether any given attribute value might refer to a specific definition 
>> or is
>> actually intended as a mere string value.  I'm open to the position that
>> this is unnecessarily confusing, although my current feeling is that 
>> that's
>> not such a serious problem.
>>
>> The original point, however, was that it is valuable to be able to have a
>> tag which inserts content based on an attribute's value whether that 
>> value
>> is a "template" (any valid servlet path) or a "definition" (something 
>> which
>> Tiles can use to invoke a servlet include including other 
>> tilesprocessing.)
>>
>> If the tag which does this never includes a literal string, I would not
>> find that a big problem.  But if I need to know ahead of time whether 
>> I want
>> to insert a template or a definition, I think that's a shortcoming.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/07, Antonio Petrelli <ap...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Sorry for not writing, but a job "storm" hit me, and I am changing 
>> place
>> > of work (and town).
>> > Anyway, comments are below.
>> >
>> > Greg Reddin ha scritto:
>> > > I like the idea that a tag that displays something on
>> > > the page should indicate so in the tag name.  Maybe we need to 
>> clarify
>> > > the
>> > > difference between "defining" and "inserting".
>> >
>> > The problem is that "defining" and "inserting" an attribute is made by
>> > the same tag.
>> > In other words, I see "defining" as specifying a "setAttributeName"
>> > method in a class, while "inserting" is the use of that attribute.
>> > In the case of <tiles:attribute> (or <tiles:insertAttribute>) it is
>> > defined (you can fill this attribute) and used (where the tag is, the
>> > attribute is inserted).
>> > The problem is that inserting an attribute is substantially 
>> different to
>> > inserting a template or a definition (layout pages for attributes,
>> > composite pages for the latter ones), so a simple "insertAttribute" 
>> does
>> > not give a complete idea of what it is.
>> >
>> > Ciao
>> > Antonio
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Joe Germuska
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>>
>> "The truth is that we learned from João forever to be out of tune."
>> -- Caetano Veloso
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Publishing Snapshot/Test Build (was Re: [Tiles2] JSTL functions for Tiles taglib?)

[Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>]

On 1/25/07, David H. DeWolf <dd...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm all for publishing a new snapshot ASAP.
>
> Additionally, once this question of the attribute tag name is resolved,
> I'd take it a step further and say that we should set a goal for pushing
> out 2.0.0.  Perhaps this build will only be deemed a test build, or
> maybe alpha, but either way it will be good to get through the first
> release and set a tone for releasing "early and often".

+1 to getting a release out whatever the quality.

An "alpha" release is far better for people than a snapshot - since
its an officially sanctioned ASF release. Projects like Struts2 and
Shale shipping with snapshots just seems wrong to me since they're
effectively releasing software that the PMC responsible for that code
hasn't and also something that isn't clearly tagged and reproducable.

Niall

> My goal is to try to get the site flushed out (finish the quick-start,
> which I'll probably move to the wiki, and just some generic cleanup),
> and then help drive 2.0.0.  What else do we think is necessary for that
> to happen?
>
> David