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Posted to dev@spamassassin.apache.org by "Daryl C. W. O'Shea" <sp...@dostech.ca> on 2010/07/14 06:06:38 UTC

3.3 Rule Auto-Update Mass-Checks

We haven't had an auto-update for a while as ham submissions have dropped.

>  HAM: 145387 (150000 required)
> SPAM: 546888 (150000 required)
> Insufficient ham corpus to generate scores; aborting.

Currently the cut-off is set for ham no more than 38 months old.

Can anyone contribute more newer ham?

Should we consider allowing ham even older than 3.5 years?

Regards,

Daryl



Wed Jul 14 02:26:57 GMT 2010
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 HAM: 145387 (150000 required)
SPAM: 546888 (150000 required)
Insufficient ham corpus to generate scores; aborting.



Re: 3.3 Rule Auto-Update Mass-Checks

Posted by Warren Togami <wt...@gmail.com>.
Sorry folks, I have fallen behind in sorting my corpora.  I will fix this
situation soon.

I would be against increasing the age of validity of ham.

Warren

Re: 3.3 Rule Auto-Update Mass-Checks

Posted by "Daryl C. W. O'Shea" <sp...@dostech.ca>.
On 14/07/2010 1:06 AM, John Hardin wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote:
> 
>> We haven't had an auto-update for a while as ham submissions have
>> dropped.
>>
>>>  HAM: 145387 (150000 required)
>>> SPAM: 546888 (150000 required)
>>> Insufficient ham corpus to generate scores; aborting.
>>
>> Currently the cut-off is set for ham no more than 38 months old.
>>
>> Should we consider allowing ham even older than 3.5 years?
> 
> Spam is ever-changing, but does ham change that much over time?
> 
> I'd say yes.

I would say yes, too.  Hence the 3.5 year limit.  We used to have a
similar age limit for "organized" .0 release mass-checks.

> Doesn't the 38 months rule discard that 38k+ Enron ham corpus?

I don't know the exact age of that corpus, but I would say yes, it'd be
older than 38 months.

I suppose that the worst case is that old mail will only lessen scores
for spam rules and not cause an increase in FPs, so it'd be technically
safe to include older mail.

Daryl

> 



Re: 3.3 Rule Auto-Update Mass-Checks

Posted by John Hardin <jh...@impsec.org>.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote:

> We haven't had an auto-update for a while as ham submissions have 
> dropped.
>
>>  HAM: 145387 (150000 required)
>> SPAM: 546888 (150000 required)
>> Insufficient ham corpus to generate scores; aborting.
>
> Currently the cut-off is set for ham no more than 38 months old.
>
> Should we consider allowing ham even older than 3.5 years?

Spam is ever-changing, but does ham change that much over time?

I'd say yes.

Doesn't the 38 months rule discard that 38k+ Enron ham corpus?

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