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[VOTE] development direction
In order to clarify what direction we intend to make for development. We
can have a vote.
So do we:
- make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
problems.
- all development on HEAD, get a few more basic things started (tables,
lists, spacing, borders) then make a development release
+1
Keiron.
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Christian Geisert <ch...@isu-gmbh.de>.
Keiron Liddle schrieb:
> In order to clarify what direction we intend to make for development. We
> can have a vote.
>
> So do we:
> - make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
> there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
> problems.
>
> - all development on HEAD, get a few more basic things started (tables,
> lists, spacing, borders) then make a development release
+1
The crux is to get HEAD to produce "usable" output.
Christian
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 15:43, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
> Though only a user, I'd like to have an idea how this should
> be achieved. Does this mean that FOP volunteers are whipped
> to write HEAD code or that patches enhancing functionality
> in the maintenance branch are simply rejected?
This means that we focus effort and direction in one place. Then
volunteers know where to direct their effort and work on improving the
project.
> From a user's perspective, I find the latter notion rather
> discouraging.
>From a developers perspective splintering the effort and creating
confusion and duplication is more than discouraging.
> Tim
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Rob Hague <Ro...@cl.cam.ac.uk>.
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:06:23AM -0400, Jason Foster wrote:
> Speaking as a user, whatever course of action that provides a complete
> reference implementation of XSL:FO (performance be damned!) would be
> preferred. As I understand the situation, <float> elements cannot be added
> to the current architecture, and as such a move to HEAD would be the way to
> go.
I've been wanting to get into FOP development, and have been trolling the
lists for a couple of weeks in order to get a feel for how things are done,
and where I could be useful. <float>s are probably my number one wish as well,
so I would also be in favour of a move to HEAD, but then again I don't have a
running system that relies on having a stable version of FOP to worry about...
--
Rob Hague
Co-creator of http://www.solipsistworker.org.uk/ImMDB
Researcher at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rgh22
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Jason Foster <ja...@uwaterloo.ca>.
Speaking as a user, whatever course of action that provides a complete
reference implementation of XSL:FO (performance be damned!) would be
preferred. As I understand the situation, <float> elements cannot be added
to the current architecture, and as such a move to HEAD would be the way to
go.
Jason Foster
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Tim Landscheidt <ti...@tim-landscheidt.de>.
Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com> wrote:
> In order to clarify what direction we intend to make for development. We
> can have a vote.
> So do we:
> - make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
> there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
> problems.
> - all development on HEAD, get a few more basic things started (tables,
> lists, spacing, borders) then make a development release
Though only a user, I'd like to have an idea how this should
be achieved. Does this mean that FOP volunteers are whipped
to write HEAD code or that patches enhancing functionality
in the maintenance branch are simply rejected?
From a user's perspective, I find the latter notion rather
discouraging.
Tim
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Keiron Liddle wrote:
> That's the point "At the current pace".
Well, it's hard to imagine how this will suddenly
speed up.
Nevertheless, I've looked at list layout and will
perhaps commit some code later this month. No promises
though, docs/doc build/JDK14 auto build have priority.
There are also some points I don't understand.
J.Pietschmann
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 21:58, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Keiron Liddle wrote:
> > I meant no new development after 0.20.5.
> I understood this. And this is exactly the problem: At
> the current pace it will take half, perhaps a full year
> to get something from HEAD which could be used for the
> same things FOP can be used today. So what should go into
> 0.20.5 so that not too many prospective customers will
> turn away in the meantime? (apart from doc and 1.4
> compile, which I'm currently working on).
That's the point "At the current pace".
In other words no one is likely to help in the current situation.
Also while Victor is still waiting for someone to commit the patch the
development on the branch is going even slower.
Speaking of stalled what important features have not been developed and
will not be developed on the branch: keeps, floats.
mmm... time to prove there is a better way.
> I posted a proposal, whith rather marginal feedback
> until now.
>
> J.Pietschmann
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Keiron Liddle wrote:
> I meant no new development after 0.20.5.
I understood this. And this is exactly the problem: At
the current pace it will take half, perhaps a full year
to get something from HEAD which could be used for the
same things FOP can be used today. So what should go into
0.20.5 so that not too many prospective customers will
turn away in the meantime? (apart from doc and 1.4
compile, which I'm currently working on).
I posted a proposal, whith rather marginal feedback
until now.
J.Pietschmann
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 21:49, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Keiron Liddle wrote:
> > - make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
> > there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
> > problems.
>
> So what is the list of critical problems to fix for 0.20.5?
I meant no new development after 0.20.5.
So critical or not for 0.20.5 it doesn't matter at the moment.
> J.Pietschmann
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Keiron Liddle wrote:
> - make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
> there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
> problems.
So what is the list of critical problems to fix for 0.20.5?
J.Pietschmann
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Re: [VOTE] development direction
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
+1
I think we already managed to draw more attention to HEAD and we're
approaching critical mass.
As I said before, I'm using FOP in production today and it does its job
very well. There are some issues that I know cannot be resolved with the
maintenance branch. I occasionally have to tell our customers that there
are certain restrictions on the layout, but they can live with it at the
moment. That's why it is important that the full focus of our work is
transferred to HEAD so we really get a version 1.0 in a few months.
On 02.09.2002 15:08:01 Keiron Liddle wrote:
>
> In order to clarify what direction we intend to make for development. We
> can have a vote.
>
> So do we:
> - make one more release of branch (0.20.5) and then freeze development
> there. No new features and only fix critical bugs or compatibility
> problems.
>
> - all development on HEAD, get a few more basic things started (tables,
> lists, spacing, borders) then make a development release
>
>
>
> +1
>
> Keiron.
Jeremias Maerki
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