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Posted to dev@roller.apache.org by Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com> on 2006/05/04 23:52:04 UTC
ping targets enabled by default?
guys,
one of the things that we are looking to do on blogs.sun.com is promote
some more ways of getting our blogs to be better connected with the
blogosphere as a whole. one of the obvious ways of doing that is
through pinging of various sites that are interested in hearing about
blog content as it gets published, like Technorati.
Roller already has all the right tools for doing pings, but
unfortunately those pings are all turned off by default and there is no
way for a large site like ours to apply ping config changes that affect
all blogs in the system. right now it is basically up to the user to
manually enable any pings they want to send and i am thinking it would
be nice if we did 2 things ...
1. provide the ability to make ping targets enabled by default for new
weblogs. this way the user has to manually disable a ping, rather than
manually enable it.
2. provide a way for admins to enable/disable auto pings on a site wide
level.
This way large sites like ours could add a new ping target and quickly
enable that target for auto pings on all existing blogs as well as
future blogs.
The work to do this should be fairly minimal, basically all happening in
the global pings config page and a tweak to the action that creates a
new weblog.
thoughts? comments?
-- Allen
Re: ping targets enabled by default?
Posted by Anil Gangolli <an...@busybuddha.org>.
I stand corrected.
This was my understanding as of the time I implemented it, but that was
admittedly before autodiscovery became prevalent.
As I interpret this, it means we could undertake Allen's suggestion without
other modifications.
--a.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Kallen" <ik...@technorati.com>
To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: ping targets enabled by default?
> Can you provide citations? AFAIK, all major blog indexes and ping
> endpoints *don't* require any kind of pre-registration. The extended ping
> arguments are optional and, as long as the rel alternates are present to
> support feed discovery, superfluous.
>
> Anil Gangolli wrote:
>> A couple of considerations:
>>
>> (1) A lot of the big aggregators require that you register your site with
>> them in order to process your pings. This is related historically to
>> item (2). While your ping is simply discarded if you haven't registered,
>> I think it's not considered good etiquette to send pings to sites that
>> you know will just discard them.
>>
>> (2) I believe there is an updated form of the WeblogUpdatesPing call
>> that includes the feed url. However, Roller currently sends an earlier
>> version of the ping message that includes the blog url, but does not
>> include the feed url, and therefore requires the recipient of the ping to
>> know in advance the feed url corresponding to the blog url. We should
>> update the code to send the new version. Have to refresh my knowledge of
>> this a bit but it shoudn't be hard.
>>
>> (3) So, If we make the change in item (2) above, we can enable pings by
>> default to ping targets that don't require preregistration. For targets
>> that require preregistration, we should leave the default disabled.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Gilliland"
>> <al...@sun.com>
>> To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:52 PM
>> Subject: ping targets enabled by default?
>>
>>
>>> guys,
>>>
>>> one of the things that we are looking to do on blogs.sun.com is promote
>>> some more ways of getting our blogs to be better connected with the
>>> blogosphere as a whole. one of the obvious ways of doing that is
>>> through pinging of various sites that are interested in hearing about
>>> blog content as it gets published, like Technorati.
>>>
>>> Roller already has all the right tools for doing pings, but
>>> unfortunately those pings are all turned off by default and there is no
>>> way for a large site like ours to apply ping config changes that affect
>>> all blogs in the system. right now it is basically up to the user to
>>> manually enable any pings they want to send and i am thinking it would
>>> be nice if we did 2 things ...
>>>
>>> 1. provide the ability to make ping targets enabled by default for new
>>> weblogs. this way the user has to manually disable a ping, rather than
>>> manually enable it.
>>>
>>> 2. provide a way for admins to enable/disable auto pings on a site wide
>>> level.
>>>
>>> This way large sites like ours could add a new ping target and quickly
>>> enable that target for auto pings on all existing blogs as well as
>>> future blogs.
>>>
>>> The work to do this should be fairly minimal, basically all happening in
>>> the global pings config page and a tweak to the action that creates a
>>> new weblog.
>>>
>>> thoughts? comments?
>>>
>>> -- Allen
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ian Kallen || Architect, Technorati Inc. || m: 415.505.5208
> blog@ http://www.arachna.com/roller/page/spidaman
> Support Odyssey of the Mind! http://happyvalley2006om.blogspot.com/
>
Re: ping targets enabled by default?
Posted by Ian Kallen <ik...@technorati.com>.
Can you provide citations? AFAIK, all major blog indexes and ping
endpoints *don't* require any kind of pre-registration. The extended
ping arguments are optional and, as long as the rel alternates are
present to support feed discovery, superfluous.
Anil Gangolli wrote:
> A couple of considerations:
>
> (1) A lot of the big aggregators require that you register your site
> with them in order to process your pings. This is related
> historically to item (2). While your ping is simply discarded if you
> haven't registered, I think it's not considered good etiquette to send
> pings to sites that you know will just discard them.
>
> (2) I believe there is an updated form of the WeblogUpdatesPing call
> that includes the feed url. However, Roller currently sends an
> earlier version of the ping message that includes the blog url, but
> does not include the feed url, and therefore requires the recipient of
> the ping to know in advance the feed url corresponding to the blog
> url. We should update the code to send the new version. Have to
> refresh my knowledge of this a bit but it shoudn't be hard.
>
> (3) So, If we make the change in item (2) above, we can enable pings
> by default to ping targets that don't require preregistration. For
> targets that require preregistration, we should leave the default
> disabled.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Gilliland"
> <al...@sun.com>
> To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:52 PM
> Subject: ping targets enabled by default?
>
>
>> guys,
>>
>> one of the things that we are looking to do on blogs.sun.com is
>> promote some more ways of getting our blogs to be better connected
>> with the blogosphere as a whole. one of the obvious ways of doing
>> that is through pinging of various sites that are interested in
>> hearing about blog content as it gets published, like Technorati.
>>
>> Roller already has all the right tools for doing pings, but
>> unfortunately those pings are all turned off by default and there is
>> no way for a large site like ours to apply ping config changes that
>> affect all blogs in the system. right now it is basically up to the
>> user to manually enable any pings they want to send and i am thinking
>> it would be nice if we did 2 things ...
>>
>> 1. provide the ability to make ping targets enabled by default for
>> new weblogs. this way the user has to manually disable a ping,
>> rather than manually enable it.
>>
>> 2. provide a way for admins to enable/disable auto pings on a site
>> wide level.
>>
>> This way large sites like ours could add a new ping target and
>> quickly enable that target for auto pings on all existing blogs as
>> well as future blogs.
>>
>> The work to do this should be fairly minimal, basically all happening
>> in the global pings config page and a tweak to the action that
>> creates a new weblog.
>>
>> thoughts? comments?
>>
>> -- Allen
>>
>>
>
--
Ian Kallen || Architect, Technorati Inc. || m: 415.505.5208
blog@ http://www.arachna.com/roller/page/spidaman
Support Odyssey of the Mind! http://happyvalley2006om.blogspot.com/
Re: ping targets enabled by default?
Posted by Anil Gangolli <an...@busybuddha.org>.
A couple of considerations:
(1) A lot of the big aggregators require that you register your site with
them in order to process your pings. This is related historically to item
(2). While your ping is simply discarded if you haven't registered, I think
it's not considered good etiquette to send pings to sites that you know will
just discard them.
(2) I believe there is an updated form of the WeblogUpdatesPing call that
includes the feed url. However, Roller currently sends an earlier version
of the ping message that includes the blog url, but does not include the
feed url, and therefore requires the recipient of the ping to know in
advance the feed url corresponding to the blog url. We should update the
code to send the new version. Have to refresh my knowledge of this a bit
but it shoudn't be hard.
(3) So, If we make the change in item (2) above, we can enable pings by
default to ping targets that don't require preregistration. For targets
that require preregistration, we should leave the default disabled.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Gilliland" <al...@sun.com>
To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: ping targets enabled by default?
> guys,
>
> one of the things that we are looking to do on blogs.sun.com is promote
> some more ways of getting our blogs to be better connected with the
> blogosphere as a whole. one of the obvious ways of doing that is through
> pinging of various sites that are interested in hearing about blog content
> as it gets published, like Technorati.
>
> Roller already has all the right tools for doing pings, but unfortunately
> those pings are all turned off by default and there is no way for a large
> site like ours to apply ping config changes that affect all blogs in the
> system. right now it is basically up to the user to manually enable any
> pings they want to send and i am thinking it would be nice if we did 2
> things ...
>
> 1. provide the ability to make ping targets enabled by default for new
> weblogs. this way the user has to manually disable a ping, rather than
> manually enable it.
>
> 2. provide a way for admins to enable/disable auto pings on a site wide
> level.
>
> This way large sites like ours could add a new ping target and quickly
> enable that target for auto pings on all existing blogs as well as future
> blogs.
>
> The work to do this should be fairly minimal, basically all happening in
> the global pings config page and a tweak to the action that creates a new
> weblog.
>
> thoughts? comments?
>
> -- Allen
>
>