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[I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
raboof opened a new issue, #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237
If we declare Java 8 support deprecated in/before Pekko 1.1.0, we give ourselves the option to remove it in Pekko 1.2.0 (in the spirit of https://pekko.apache.org/docs/pekko/current/common/binary-compatibility-rules.html#when-will-a-deprecated-method-be-removed-entirely).
Depending on feedback we might still decide to keep supporting Java 8 in 1.2.0, but I think deprecating it sends the right message, and it's good to have the option.
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "raboof (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
raboof commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2027018298
> apologies for being part of the habit
No problem of course, not trying to point fingers :)
> doing such discussions using github issues/discussions
Yeah, references to issues/PRs/discussions/wikis/etc are also useful - while those media have their advantages, none of them are particularly easy to find :)
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "He-Pin (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
He-Pin commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2025140120
Maybe after 1.2.0 ? IIRC, @mdedetrich said they are using Java 8.
We can starting remove deprecated things in 1.2.0 and drop Java 8 （Scala 2.12) support in 1.3.0
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "mdedetrich (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
mdedetrich commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2027003405
> small sidebar/rant: I notice that in Pekko it seems relatively common for people to make statements like "it was already decided that X", without linking to the place where that decision was made or documented. I like to think that I'm following Pekko relatively closely, but even for me that makes things hard/frustrating to follow - like now I'm digging through email archives again and none of https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org, https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org or https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org seem to have particularly relevant hits for 'semver'. I think it would be really good, both for future maintenance and for attracting/retaining new/casual contributors, to make more of a habit of adding relevant links to such statements.
Agreed and apologies for being part of the habit. For me personally I am not that fond/used of mailing lists as a form of discussion as its very hard to search/organize/link (as is evidenced) and so I take the lazy way out. I personally have a preference for doing such discussions using github issues/discussions as you can do things like make a checklist/wiki of relevant discussions so we can easily refer to big decision topics (such as SemVer, dropping JDK8 etc etc)
The issue is that it then it becomes unclear as to whether a discussion should occur on a mailing list or not (as far as I can tell any non trivial decision should occur on mailing list as a vote but I may be wrong here). We can also explore creating a PIP (Pekko Improvement Proposal) process so design guidelines/goals are centralized in one spot with a clear sense of direction rather than discussions being made in various places
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "raboof (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
raboof commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2026908650
> > Could you link to this pushback on https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@pekko.apache.org or similar? I searched but couldn't find this thread.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/83xmcls29opo3o8q3mwdhdpqc6bvf69c
Thanks for the reference, that really helps.
> Note that at the time I pushed for 1.2.x but since then we ended up adopting/following semver
small sidebar/rant: I notice that in Pekko it seems relatively common for people to make statements like "it was already decided that X", without linking to the place where that decision was made or documented. I like to think that I'm following Pekko relatively closely, but even for me that makes things hard/frustrating to follow - like now I'm digging through email archives again and none of https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org, https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org or https://lists.apache.org/list?private@pekko.apache.org seem to have particularly relevant hits for 'semver'. I think it would be really good, both for future maintenance and for attracting/retaining new/casual contributors, to make more of a habit of adding relevant links to such statements.
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "He-Pin (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
He-Pin commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2025732721
I don't know much about others, but at my company, there is only 13% on Java 11, so we have to publish our internal libraries with `<release>8</release>`.
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "raboof (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
raboof commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2026859803
> The original idea was to drop Java 8 support in 2.0.x, as it is both considered a breaking change and there are also some significant users of Pekko that rely on it.
>
> We can bring it up again on the mailing list, but last time we did it we got pushback
Could you link to this pushback on https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@pekko.apache.org or similar? I searched but couldn't find this thread.
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "mdedetrich (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
mdedetrich commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2026879248
> Could you link to this pushback on https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@pekko.apache.org or similar? I searched but couldn't find this thread.
https://lists.apache.org/thread/83xmcls29opo3o8q3mwdhdpqc6bvf69c
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Re: [I] Declare Java 8 support deprecated [pekko]
Posted by "mdedetrich (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
mdedetrich commented on issue #1237:
URL: https://github.com/apache/pekko/issues/1237#issuecomment-2025689957
The original idea was to drop Java 8 support in 2.0.x, as it is both considered a breaking change and there are also some significant users of Pekko that rely on it.
We can bring it up again on the mailing list, but last time we did it we got pushback
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