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Posted to adffaces-dev@incubator.apache.org by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> on 2007/04/15 11:12:52 UTC
[Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
we got 7 votes for "graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces
community" and one +1 for graduation ;)
thanks for voting.
I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
Greetings,
Matthias
On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
>
> we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
>
> Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
>
> [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > - kind of awkward.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > Simon,
> > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > - Jeanne
> > > >
> > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > right
> > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > >
> > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > >> implementation.
> > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > >> situation
> > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > >>
> > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
The vote thread can be viewed here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200704.mbox/%3c71235db40704181324n4baf6527k1b7c8a9f85260d87@mail.gmail.com%3e
-Matthias
On 4/18/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
>
>
> we got 13 +1 votes on the MyFaces dev list.
>
> I'll follow up with a vote on general @ incubator to get approval for
> the graduation as a MyFaces subproject.
>
> I'll keep you posted.
>
> -Matthias
>
>
> > Greetings,
> > Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
> > >
> > > we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> > > that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> > > managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> > > the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> > > MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
> > >
> > > Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
> > >
> > > [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> > >
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > > > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> > > >
> > > > -Matthias
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > > > - kind of awkward.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Simon,
> > > > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > > > - Jeanne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > > > >> implementation.
> > > > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > > > >> situation
> > > > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > > >
> > > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > > Courses in English and German
> > > > >
> > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > >
> > > > further stuff:
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi,
> I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
we got 13 +1 votes on the MyFaces dev list.
I'll follow up with a vote on general @ incubator to get approval for
the graduation as a MyFaces subproject.
I'll keep you posted.
-Matthias
> Greetings,
> Matthias
>
> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
> >
> > we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> > that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> > managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> > the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> > MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
> >
> > Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
> >
> > [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> >
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > > - kind of awkward.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > Simon,
> > > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > > - Jeanne
> > > > >
> > > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > > >> implementation.
> > > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > > >> situation
> > > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > >
> > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > Courses in English and German
> > > >
> > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com