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Posted to bluesky-dev@incubator.apache.org by Bernd Fondermann <be...@googlemail.com> on 2008/07/14 18:52:15 UTC
Re: svn commit: r676177
Hi,
I am concerned about the recent commit from the BlueSky project,
recorded as revision 676177.
This bulk commit looks to me like GPLed code from a third party
project has been taken, being modified to obfuscate the origins of
this code and then being committed to svn without any prior IP
clearance.
In detail:
* most directories contain a COPYING file with the GPL in it.
* some files contain copyright notices from people and organisations
not involved with the project, probably the original authors
* files like AUTHORS, README probably have been emptied before the
commit to remove any reference to their origins
* the ASL headers have been added in follow-up commits.
I'd like to know from the BlueSky committers what is their own code
and what is taken from other projects (which ones)? Who are the
respective copyright owners and have they been contacted?
I'd propose to remove the code from svn and re-code the project based
on committer's own contributions.
In addition, BlueSky failed to properly report to the board for half a
year now. Now, a report has been posted to bluesky-dev some days ago,
but I could not spot it in todays report from Noel posted to general@.
My on-list concerns about xplayer were not addressed in this report.
xplayer seems to be (I did not take a closer look) a crucial component
for this software, the committers said they would exclude it,
resulting in the fact that now the software lacks audio/video
capabilities. It looks like xplayer is derived from GPL'ed mplayer and
the FFmpeg library has also been mentioned, both said to be having
patent issues (that's what I read on wikipedia, I didn't check beyond
that). I propose to work around this by using vorbis and related
technologies.
We (as the incubator) should mentor this project more intensively.
Thanks,
Bernd
Re: BlueSky clouded? (was: Re: svn commit: r676177)
Posted by Shan Jiang <da...@gmail.com>.
2008/7/15, Jin Cao <ca...@gmail.com>:
> As Bill mentioned, we can link into LGPL code dynamiclally.
> We checked the code again and found that our system can not run without GTK
> standard object file. We will do more test and make sure that we use the
What is GTK standard object file you mentioned? Do you mean GTK's header files?
> LGPL code in a proper way.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2008/7/15 Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de>:
>
>> Last time I looked, GTK, which is at the core of the code that I looked
>> at, is under LGPL, which is explicitly banned from Apache Projects:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>
>> Which licenses may NOT be included within Apache products?
>>
>> [...]
>> * GNU LGPL 2, 2.1, 3
>>
>> So this means, that *everything* that is GTK dependent *must* go from
>> the Apache repos.
>>
>> Up to now, Bluesky has not yet shown up on the incubator main page
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/), has not reported and I don't see a code
>> grant either in foundation/officers/grants.txt.
>>
>> The fact that actual GPL license files:
>>
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/bluesky/trunk/c%2B%2B/tserver/COPYING
>>
>> have been checked in, seems to imply that this is a code dump above
>> everything
>> else. Could anyone closer involved with BlueSky please check this?
>>
>> Thanks Bernd, for noticing this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Henning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 20:52 +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am concerned about the recent commit from the BlueSky project,
>> > recorded as revision 676177.
>> >
>> > This bulk commit looks to me like GPLed code from a third party
>> > project has been taken, being modified to obfuscate the origins of
>> > this code and then being committed to svn without any prior IP
>> > clearance.
>> >
>> > In detail:
>> > * most directories contain a COPYING file with the GPL in it.
>> > * some files contain copyright notices from people and organisations
>> > not involved with the project, probably the original authors
>> > * files like AUTHORS, README probably have been emptied before the
>> > commit to remove any reference to their origins
>> > * the ASL headers have been added in follow-up commits.
>> >
>> > I'd like to know from the BlueSky committers what is their own code
>> > and what is taken from other projects (which ones)? Who are the
>> > respective copyright owners and have they been contacted?
>> > I'd propose to remove the code from svn and re-code the project based
>> > on committer's own contributions.
>> >
>> > In addition, BlueSky failed to properly report to the board for half a
>> > year now. Now, a report has been posted to bluesky-dev some days ago,
>> > but I could not spot it in todays report from Noel posted to general@.
>> >
>> > My on-list concerns about xplayer were not addressed in this report.
>> > xplayer seems to be (I did not take a closer look) a crucial component
>> > for this software, the committers said they would exclude it,
>> > resulting in the fact that now the software lacks audio/video
>> > capabilities. It looks like xplayer is derived from GPL'ed mplayer and
>> > the FFmpeg library has also been mentioned, both said to be having
>> > patent issues (that's what I read on wikipedia, I didn't check beyond
>> > that). I propose to work around this by using vorbis and related
>> > technologies.
>> >
>> > We (as the incubator) should mentor this project more intensively.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Bernd
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> --
>> Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE, Linux, Unix
>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software
>> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design |
>>
>> INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350
>> Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen
>>
>> char name_buf[257]; /* max unix filename is 256, right? */
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: BlueSky clouded? (was: Re: svn commit: r676177)
Posted by Jin Cao <ca...@gmail.com>.
As Bill mentioned, we can link into LGPL code dynamiclally.
We checked the code again and found that our system can not run without GTK
standard object file. We will do more test and make sure that we use the
LGPL code in a proper way.
Thanks.
2008/7/15 Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de>:
> Last time I looked, GTK, which is at the core of the code that I looked
> at, is under LGPL, which is explicitly banned from Apache Projects:
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> Which licenses may NOT be included within Apache products?
>
> [...]
> * GNU LGPL 2, 2.1, 3
>
> So this means, that *everything* that is GTK dependent *must* go from
> the Apache repos.
>
> Up to now, Bluesky has not yet shown up on the incubator main page
> (http://incubator.apache.org/), has not reported and I don't see a code
> grant either in foundation/officers/grants.txt.
>
> The fact that actual GPL license files:
>
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/bluesky/trunk/c%2B%2B/tserver/COPYING
>
> have been checked in, seems to imply that this is a code dump above
> everything
> else. Could anyone closer involved with BlueSky please check this?
>
> Thanks Bernd, for noticing this.
>
> Thanks
> Henning
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 20:52 +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am concerned about the recent commit from the BlueSky project,
> > recorded as revision 676177.
> >
> > This bulk commit looks to me like GPLed code from a third party
> > project has been taken, being modified to obfuscate the origins of
> > this code and then being committed to svn without any prior IP
> > clearance.
> >
> > In detail:
> > * most directories contain a COPYING file with the GPL in it.
> > * some files contain copyright notices from people and organisations
> > not involved with the project, probably the original authors
> > * files like AUTHORS, README probably have been emptied before the
> > commit to remove any reference to their origins
> > * the ASL headers have been added in follow-up commits.
> >
> > I'd like to know from the BlueSky committers what is their own code
> > and what is taken from other projects (which ones)? Who are the
> > respective copyright owners and have they been contacted?
> > I'd propose to remove the code from svn and re-code the project based
> > on committer's own contributions.
> >
> > In addition, BlueSky failed to properly report to the board for half a
> > year now. Now, a report has been posted to bluesky-dev some days ago,
> > but I could not spot it in todays report from Noel posted to general@.
> >
> > My on-list concerns about xplayer were not addressed in this report.
> > xplayer seems to be (I did not take a closer look) a crucial component
> > for this software, the committers said they would exclude it,
> > resulting in the fact that now the software lacks audio/video
> > capabilities. It looks like xplayer is derived from GPL'ed mplayer and
> > the FFmpeg library has also been mentioned, both said to be having
> > patent issues (that's what I read on wikipedia, I didn't check beyond
> > that). I propose to work around this by using vorbis and related
> > technologies.
> >
> > We (as the incubator) should mentor this project more intensively.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> --
> Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE, Linux, Unix
> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software
> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design |
>
> INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350
> Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen
>
> char name_buf[257]; /* max unix filename is 256, right? */
>
>
>
RE: BlueSky clouded? (was: Re: svn commit: r676177)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> I just noticed that BlueSky did not report anything since being voted
> into incubation in January and is not linked from the incubator
> website.
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> Last time I looked, GTK, which is at the core of the code that I looked
> at, is under LGPL, which is explicitly banned from Apache Projects:
> Could anyone closer involved with BlueSky please check this?
That is being pursued.
--- Noel
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BlueSky clouded? (was: Re: svn commit: r676177)
Posted by Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de>.
Last time I looked, GTK, which is at the core of the code that I looked
at, is under LGPL, which is explicitly banned from Apache Projects:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
Which licenses may NOT be included within Apache products?
[...]
* GNU LGPL 2, 2.1, 3
So this means, that *everything* that is GTK dependent *must* go from
the Apache repos.
Up to now, Bluesky has not yet shown up on the incubator main page
(http://incubator.apache.org/), has not reported and I don't see a code
grant either in foundation/officers/grants.txt.
The fact that actual GPL license files:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/bluesky/trunk/c%2B%2B/tserver/COPYING
have been checked in, seems to imply that this is a code dump above everything
else. Could anyone closer involved with BlueSky please check this?
Thanks Bernd, for noticing this.
Thanks
Henning
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 20:52 +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am concerned about the recent commit from the BlueSky project,
> recorded as revision 676177.
>
> This bulk commit looks to me like GPLed code from a third party
> project has been taken, being modified to obfuscate the origins of
> this code and then being committed to svn without any prior IP
> clearance.
>
> In detail:
> * most directories contain a COPYING file with the GPL in it.
> * some files contain copyright notices from people and organisations
> not involved with the project, probably the original authors
> * files like AUTHORS, README probably have been emptied before the
> commit to remove any reference to their origins
> * the ASL headers have been added in follow-up commits.
>
> I'd like to know from the BlueSky committers what is their own code
> and what is taken from other projects (which ones)? Who are the
> respective copyright owners and have they been contacted?
> I'd propose to remove the code from svn and re-code the project based
> on committer's own contributions.
>
> In addition, BlueSky failed to properly report to the board for half a
> year now. Now, a report has been posted to bluesky-dev some days ago,
> but I could not spot it in todays report from Noel posted to general@.
>
> My on-list concerns about xplayer were not addressed in this report.
> xplayer seems to be (I did not take a closer look) a crucial component
> for this software, the committers said they would exclude it,
> resulting in the fact that now the software lacks audio/video
> capabilities. It looks like xplayer is derived from GPL'ed mplayer and
> the FFmpeg library has also been mentioned, both said to be having
> patent issues (that's what I read on wikipedia, I didn't check beyond
> that). I propose to work around this by using vorbis and related
> technologies.
>
> We (as the incubator) should mentor this project more intensively.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bernd
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
--
Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE, Linux, Unix
91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software
Open Source Consulting, Development, Design |
INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350
Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen
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BlueSky clouded? (was: Re: svn commit: r676177)
Posted by Henning Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de>.
Last time I looked, GTK, which is at the core of the code that I looked
at, is under LGPL, which is explicitly banned from Apache Projects:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
Which licenses may NOT be included within Apache products?
[...]
* GNU LGPL 2, 2.1, 3
So this means, that *everything* that is GTK dependent *must* go from
the Apache repos.
Up to now, Bluesky has not yet shown up on the incubator main page
(http://incubator.apache.org/), has not reported and I don't see a code
grant either in foundation/officers/grants.txt.
The fact that actual GPL license files:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/bluesky/trunk/c%2B%2B/tserver/COPYING
have been checked in, seems to imply that this is a code dump above everything
else. Could anyone closer involved with BlueSky please check this?
Thanks Bernd, for noticing this.
Thanks
Henning
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 20:52 +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am concerned about the recent commit from the BlueSky project,
> recorded as revision 676177.
>
> This bulk commit looks to me like GPLed code from a third party
> project has been taken, being modified to obfuscate the origins of
> this code and then being committed to svn without any prior IP
> clearance.
>
> In detail:
> * most directories contain a COPYING file with the GPL in it.
> * some files contain copyright notices from people and organisations
> not involved with the project, probably the original authors
> * files like AUTHORS, README probably have been emptied before the
> commit to remove any reference to their origins
> * the ASL headers have been added in follow-up commits.
>
> I'd like to know from the BlueSky committers what is their own code
> and what is taken from other projects (which ones)? Who are the
> respective copyright owners and have they been contacted?
> I'd propose to remove the code from svn and re-code the project based
> on committer's own contributions.
>
> In addition, BlueSky failed to properly report to the board for half a
> year now. Now, a report has been posted to bluesky-dev some days ago,
> but I could not spot it in todays report from Noel posted to general@.
>
> My on-list concerns about xplayer were not addressed in this report.
> xplayer seems to be (I did not take a closer look) a crucial component
> for this software, the committers said they would exclude it,
> resulting in the fact that now the software lacks audio/video
> capabilities. It looks like xplayer is derived from GPL'ed mplayer and
> the FFmpeg library has also been mentioned, both said to be having
> patent issues (that's what I read on wikipedia, I didn't check beyond
> that). I propose to work around this by using vorbis and related
> technologies.
>
> We (as the incubator) should mentor this project more intensively.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bernd
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
--
Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | JEE, Linux, Unix
91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache Java Software
Open Source Consulting, Development, Design |
INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH - RG Fuerth, HRB 7350
Gesellschaftssitz: Buckenhof. Geschaeftsfuehrer: Henning Schmiedehausen
char name_buf[257]; /* max unix filename is 256, right? */